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I live in a Los Angeles suburb, and there are two dealers within 25 miles of my home. I'm still waiting on delivery. I was told that they were severly back ordered, but I should have them by friday next week.



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I am aware of the Pioneer store in Costa Mesa--what is the other dealer?

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I live in a Los Angeles suburb, and there are two dealers within 25 miles of my home. I'm still waiting on delivery. I was told that they were severly back ordered, but I should have them by friday next week.



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Would you please pm'd me the name of dealer? Did they sell it at MSRP?

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It's been a long wait but I just got the speakers delivered, I haven't hooked them up yet, but I had to unbox and look at one. All I can say is wow this is a beutiful speaker. Even better than I remembered. In my love for the sound I never looked at the speaker grills. I must say Pioneer did not skimp on the grills. They are what appears to be a black fabric covering an aluminum frame. Just exquisite. Please excuse me I never had a set of speakers this nice before. Well I'm off to work I wont have them hooked up until Saturday, but so far I love the look.

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Oh the other location is LA Audio Video.

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Hey are there any other owners of these speakers here???

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Am I along?? no other owners?? My serial# is 113/114 so I know more were made. Maybe I need to post on a Japanese forum.


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Hi Ed,
What are you driving your new S-1EXs with? Congrats! LA A/V is a nice dealer, no idea they have these speakers!
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Thnx so far I like everything about them. I'm currently using an Acurus
A200x3, but plan to upgrade to a class d. A pair of used Bel canto Ref1000 are on the short list.


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Still no other owners. Wow

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I actually shot my whole HT wad on these, but I decided to get something I really liked instead of seattling. It will take me another year to complete but I think in the end it will pay off. My next speaker will be an S-7ex. I'm not sure if I will get the 2ex becaues it may be overkill for a rear speaker. I still need to upgrade my amps.

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I actually shot my whole HT wad on these, but I decided to get something I really liked instead of seattling. It will take me another year to complete but I think in the end it will pay off. My next speaker will be an S-7ex. I'm not sure if I will get the 2ex becaues it may be overkill for a rear speaker. I still need to upgrade my amps.

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Do you have any pics of your new speakers? Ive always thought TAD speakers are amazing. Not sure how the pioneer-branded version will do in the high-end, but Im sure its a great speaker nonetheless. Congrats!
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Thank you cschang for the link.

I am looking very very seriously at buying the Pioneer largest EX towers and center channel.

Heard the smaller TAD EX towers, superb,imaging,transparency...true reference quality all around for under 6 grand,the big brother retails for under ten grand! This is a serious threat to the competition,be it JM Lab,Dynaudio and the better known established brands.

Slender,cabinet inertness is first class,in fact only Wilson Audio may have moer inert cabinets with a few speakers way nort of the Pioneer asking price!

Congrats to Pioneer for these true high end performers. And at the price they retail they are bargains.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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Still no other owners. Wow

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I have the full 5.1 setup. S1 for front, S2 for surrounds, and S7 center. Currently driving with only the Pioneer AX10ai Receiver, waiting for Susano to be released!
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Cool I'm getting the S7, but wondering if the S2s are overkill for rears.
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Cool I'm getting the S7, but wondering if the S2s are overkill for rears.

You should probably use those as they provide the most balanced sound for rears. What were you thinking of using instead?

I haven't heard the S7 yet, I'm in Malaysia and they haven't reached here yet.
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My first thought was going with 4 S2s and the S7, but tower speakers have a special place in my heart. I will most likely stay with EX all around. it will trully be a special system. I will also be looking for a good ICEpower amp to mate them with. I was thinking of the new Pioneer top receiver, but will go the seperate route instead. I love the pairing of the Bel Canto with the EX speakers. I will try D-sonic first. If not happy I will go with Bel Canto.
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Just talked to one of my contacts who is an authorized dealer in LA and they got a number of the S-3EXs in, which list for $3000 each and so far the feedback has been very positive about these speakers. Especially at the discounting, it makes it a truly good option in the high end for a good price.
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Hi, I have mine 5.0 Pioneer EX for about 1 months now. I can say they really sound awesome. Very neutral and yet dynamic with an incredible sound stage! They are not very hard for the amp to drive and room setup is not too hard either.

This is my surround setup:
fronts: Pioneer S-1EX
rears: Pioneer S-2EX
centre: Pioneer S-7EX
sub: Mirage BPS-150
amp: Onkyo 905
player: PS3
beamer: JVC DLA-HD1

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speakers: above mentioned fronts
amp: Meixing MingDa MC34AB (tube amp)
cd: MHZS CD-66F
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nice set up I have the S-1ex and i LOVE them.
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Thanx, I'm considering to replace the mirage sub with a Velodyne DD18.
Are you still considering the 7ex and 2ex? The 2ex as rears are overkill for movies. However they are worth every penny for surround music (dvd, blu-ray) which in my opinion is more subtle. The 7ex is a must to complete the 1ex frontline.
I choose the Onkyo 905 for its excellent price/sound quality ratio. In a few weeks I will test the 905 against the Denon AVC-A1XV. Just to find out how good the sound of the 905 actually is.
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As popular as they are, I feel they run into "audio-snobs", or plain prejudice against Japanese speakers. I know peolpe that would never believe Pioneer has a speaker in the B&W 802d, or the Focal 1037BE class. I guess I was one of them. I think Pioneer should expand their network so more people can hear these. They really do sound that good.
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Over the last 15 years I have owned (and in some cases still do) many fine speakers including Legacy Focus, Martin Logan, Magnepan, & Focal. I purchased a pair of Pioneer S-1EX speakers three months ago from Definitive Audio in Bellevue WA at an extremely distressed price. I have had a chance to use them in the dealer's show room and in two locations - my small apartment in Bellevue WA and my ludicrously large loft in Philadelphia.

Overall I am not quite as enthusiastic about the speakers as Kal Rubinson, although they can be teased into some remarkable sound. The S-1EX offers a generally smooth midrange but I find their bass to be overly damped and their treble response too rolled off. I would describe the overall sound as smooth and polite (not the first to say this about this speaker). Apparently Andrew Jones and his female sidekick delivered these speakers to the dealer in hopes that the line would be picked up but Definitive could never get them to perform well in any of their listening rooms. They ended up in the used & demo room at a fire sale price.

When I first heard the Pioneers in the small over treated and dead dealer listening room there was no bass and no treble just a smooth midrange. Given the Stereophile review I knew I wasn’t hearing this speaker at even 20% of its potential. When I got the speakers back to my apartment, and with virtually no effort, I was able to greatly improve the sound. My room was fairly small 18'x15' and a bit on the lively side. The speakers were only 2 ft from the rear wall and about 3' from side walls. I found the boundary reinforcement created by this setup made the bass much more natural. Also by adjusting the rake angle, with the rear pikes, I tipped the treble up. That with this lively room acoustics produced some very pleasing sound.

When I brought the speakers to my loft I was confronted with the sound I first heard at the dealer. My 3rd floor listening room is 20’x20’ with 9ft ceilings and is open to the 2nd floor of my loft below, which extends back another 60ft. There is only a half wall behind by couch so sound can reverberate from 2nd floor below but it really has no direct impact on the sound of the speakers. The listening room is dedicated to sound and sparsely furnished with medium weight carpet. The room itself is pretty acoustically dead.

I have the speakers set up 4 ft from the rear wall and 4 ft from the side walls. Overall the bass between 50 Hz-100 Hz is paired down as is the treble. I have done some testing with a pink noise generator, calibrated microphone and my Behringer Digital EQ and found that adjusting the rake angle only effects the treble response between 9K-15K, not quite wide enough to overcome the downward trend. Luckily I have virtually no room modes due to the fact there is only a 3.5’ ft wooden wall behind me so I am able to use my digital EQ and small ERA Sub 10 to obtain a much flatter response. In an A/B comparison between eq’d/non eq’d - it is obvious that the speakers treble in my loft is tilted down a bit too much. I think the most can be had from this speaker in livelier rooms and with some boundary reinforcement.
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bberns -

I listened to those very speakers you now own. I stumbled across them at the Bellevue store at the start of my search for new speakers. They are an attractive speaker for sure, but I agree that the set-up at Definitive did not flatter them. Though they really had no chance at winning me over because of the excessively loud volume the salesman insisted they be played back at. Sounded like he was pushing them and the room to their limits. Strained to say the least. I would like to hear them under better conditions.

What are your primary speakers?
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Legacy Focus - which is not perfect eith but with proper set up is they most dynamic speaker I have heard
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I think they are very refined speaker. I compaired them against Paradigm S8, and B&W 802d. I also listened to the Focal BE1037 I think it was. I thought the Pioneer cleary sounded better than all these listed except the B&W. The 802D just had a sweeter midrange. The Pioneer had superior bass, and the tweeter had a refreshing sound, very detailed but never to sharp or overly bright sounding. I thought the Pioneers where the best choice for me, and love the look.


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I think they are very refined speaker. I compaired them against Paradigm S8, and B&W 802d. I also listened to the Focal BE1037 I think it was. I thought the Pioneer cleary sounded better than all these listed except the B&W. The 802D just had a sweeter midrange. The Pioneer had superior bass, and the tweeter had a refreshing sound, very detailed but never to sharp or overly bright sounding. I thought the Pioneers where the best choice for me, and love the look.
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I think the primary problem with the Pioneers is that they were not marketed as TAD EX speakers.

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I agree 100%. If they were I'm sure they would get much more consideration. I still get strange looks when friends see the Pioneer logo on my speaker grills. One of them who owns Martin Logan Claritys, not familiar with the Pioneers, actual offered me a deal on his Claritys, "..when I want to step up to high-end speakers". I thanked him and said I'll keep that in mind.


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