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Hi everybody. I'm looking to upgrade my 5.1 sytem from a HTIB to a real system. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 1040 for my receiver with BX6's and the BX centre up front, the BXW10 for a sub, and the BX2's for my rear speakers. Are the BX2's overkill for my rear speakers? I would say that 75% of the time is movies/games and the other 25% is for music. Depends on the mood though. My room dimensions are 11'x~20'. Any input on my potential setup would be appreciated.

The bx2s will probably be a little overkill, but would work fine. Bx1s would save you a little money. You'll get a better bang for your buck with an ID sub from Hsu, SVS, etc or even more so if you DIY a sub.


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what speakers did you audition and compare before you selected the 300 &350 center for your main theatre? Were the paradigm studios or signature lines considered? If so, how would the gold gx speakers compare to those lines? Also, which gold speakers are using for surrounds in the main theatre and how big of a difference is there by the gx 150 & 350 center in terms of performance?
I auditioned alot of speakers. B&W, Paradigm, KEF, PSB, GoldenEar, etc. to name a few. I did this over a year+ worth of time. The first speaker that caught my ear was the Silver RX6. I auditioned the Gold GS towers then the Platinum PL300 and PL200's and fell in love with the ribbon tweeter on those speakers. The Platinum's were a little beyond my budget so I waited for the Gold GX's to come out. I listened to the GX50's first. I ended up buying the GX300's after that along with the GXC350 for the main theater. I later picked up another pair of GX300's for the rear of the main theater to finish out the 5.1 setup. I then decided to do a smaller secondary system for the computer with GX100's in the front and rear and the GXC150 center. There is a huge difference in capability between the GXC150 and GXC350. The GXC350 is essentially a non-ported GX300 on it's side. The midrange driver is the biggest difference between the two centers plus a deeper more capable bass capacity. It's totally worth it and I feel mandatory to do if you get a tower Gold GX (or even the new one). The GXC350 is a big speaker so be sure you have the space for it in your cabinet.
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I auditioned alot of speakers. B&W, Paradigm, KEF, PSB, GoldenEar, etc. to name a few. I did this over a year+ worth of time. The first speaker that caught my ear was the Silver RX6. I auditioned the Gold GS towers then the Platinum PL300 and PL200's and fell in love with the ribbon tweeter on those speakers. The Platinum's were a little beyond my budget so I waited for the Gold GX's to come out. I listened to the GX50's first. I ended up buying the GX300's after that along with the GXC350 for the main theater. I later picked up another pair of GX300's for the rear of the main theater to finish out the 5.1 setup. I then decided to do a smaller secondary system for the computer with GX100's in the front and rear and the GXC150 center. There is a huge difference in capability between the GXC150 and GXC350. The GXC350 is essentially a non-ported GX300 on it's side. The midrange driver is the biggest difference between the two centers plus a deeper more capable bass capacity. It's totally worth it and I feel mandatory to do if you get a tower Gold GX (or even the new one). The GXC350 is a big speaker so be sure you have the space for it in your cabinet.
how would you describe the difference by the paradigms you auditioned and the gold series you have now? Which digms did you try out and what do you like better about the golds compared to the digms?
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I have noticed that on movies dialogue can seem a bit harsh and 'metallic' on my MA APEX. Is this something I can fix, or is this just the nature of the speaker? They do sound a LOT different than the Cantons I had. Maybe it's just a lot more detail I'm hearing (I do have a feeling the MA's have far more detail), but still. This is connected to a Denon X2100W receiver. Any tips?
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how would you describe the difference by the paradigms you auditioned and the gold series you have now? Which digms did you try out and what do you like better about the golds compared to the digms?
Acoustic memory being what it is and too much time has passed between then and now I can't give you an accurate point for point what was different. What I can say is that for me the midrange on the GX300/200 towers / GXC350 center and the detail/air on the GX's ribbon tweeter is what pushed me to the Gold GX series. I listened to the Paradigm Signature and Reference towers which were excellent speakers.
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I have noticed that on movies dialogue can seem a bit harsh and 'metallic' on my MA APEX. Is this something I can fix, or is this just the nature of the speaker? They do sound a LOT different than the Cantons I had. Maybe it's just a lot more detail I'm hearing (I do have a feeling the MA's have far more detail), but still. This is connected to a Denon X2100W receiver. Any tips?
marantz receivers have a feature called HT-EQ that softens treble for more "natural sound" according to the manual. Unless your receiver has the highest version of audessey this feature is almost a necessity in my opinion. The lower versions of audessey don't adjust the treble correctly, and actually cause it to be more pronounced. This problem is discussed at length in the audessey thread. Any receiver with the audessey XT version and below seem to cause treble issues. I noticed that right away with my silver series speakers while running audessey. Thus, I turned on that feature, and problem was solved. In direct mode, the Rx6s sound fine. It's my understanding that the demon receivers don't have the HT EQ feature though. if it bothers you enough (which it would to me...too fatiguing), you could pick up a different receiver at deep discount online at acc for less with the highest version of audessey or a marantz reciever with the feature I mentioned. hope that helps.
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This is very disappointing to read, my receiver has Audyssey XT. So you're saying there's no way to 'fix' this? I might be wrong, but I don't think my receiver has a HT-EQ setting (maybe it's called something else in Denon?).
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This is very disappointing to read, my receiver has Audyssey XT. So you're saying there's no way to 'fix' this? I might be wrong, but I don't think my receiver has a HT-EQ setting (maybe it's called something else in Denon?).
yeah it sucks and hate to tell you, but Ive read that the denons don't have that feature. By all means, check your manual though. The feature on the marantz within the onscreen screen menu is located in the audio/video parameters section. Seems like the denons might allow you to tweak the treble and bass while audessey is engaged. Marantz doesn't allow that, but I've read some receivers do. My marantz (sr7005) has XT as well so I run that feature for all sources. Music, movies, and tv. My next reciever will definitely have XT32 on it.
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I know my Denon has a 'MultEQ® XT' setting. Is that what you are referring to?
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Acoustic memory being what it is and too much time has passed between then and now I can't give you an accurate point for point what was different. What I can say is that for me the midrange on the GX300/200 towers / GXC350 center and the detail/air on the GX's ribbon tweeter is what pushed me to the Gold GX series. I listened to the Paradigm Signature and Reference towers which were excellent speakers.
ok. Sounds good. I appreciate the response. I might upgrade to the gold gx if they mark them down to get rid of existing inventory via Saturday audio when the new ones come out. Paradigm is possibly doing away with their studio line as well so I would be torn bw the gold gx and the digm studios.
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I know my Denon has a 'MultEQ® XT' setting. Is that what you are referring to?
unfortunately no. That just indicates that the reciever has audessey engaged. It's definitely called HT EQ on the marantz. Check your audio video parameters section of the on screen menu if it contains an area called that. It might be in there. I would just look thru all of the audio menu options though. Better yet, you could submit a post in either a denon or the audessey threads to see if someone knows if it exists on your receiver.
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I don't have a Marantz, I have a Denon X2100W. Used to have a SR6007 but sold it because it didn't fit my new cabinet (and stupid as I am, turns out it would've fitted if I tried a bit harder). Still kicking myself for selling it.
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I don't have a Marantz, I have a Denon X2100W. Used to have a SR6007 but sold it because it didn't fit my new cabinet (and stupid as I am, turns out it would've fitted if I tried a bit harder). Still kicking myself for selling it.
man that sucks. Hope you can figure out a solution. Might want to try a denon thread to see if someone has some kind of solution.
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So if I understand, I either have a choice to live with the too bright highs or to disable Audyssey altogether? Do I lose a lot by disabling it? Definitely sounds 'different'.
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So if I understand, I either have a choice to live with the too bright highs or to disable Audyssey altogether? Do I lose a lot by disabling it? Definitely sounds 'different'.
unfortuantely, I would say yes. I believe those are your only choices until you get a different receiver in the future. Not sure if you can put in all of the speaker placement measurements or not without audessey engaged and bypassing the auto setup feature. Audessey mainly helps with the low frequencies so maybe you could determine a way to EQ the sub frequencies only and leave audessey disengaged? There are tools out there to EQ the subs only. Check out the sub forum for help with that.

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yeah it sucks and hate to tell you, but Ive read that the denons don't have that feature. By all means, check your manual though. The feature on the marantz within the onscreen screen menu is located in the audio/video parameters section. Seems like the denons might allow you to tweak the treble and bass while audessey is engaged. Marantz doesn't allow that, but I've read some receivers do. My marantz (sr7005) has XT as well so I run that feature for all sources. Music, movies, and tv. My next reciever will definitely have XT32 on it.

1. The feature you are referring to is "Cinema EQ" and is on both Denon and Marantz models to include the OP's Denon X2100W.
2. Actually, Denon and Marantz models both allow you to tweak Bass/Treble while Audyssey is engaged ... simply disengage Dynamic EQ.

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You should be able to manually lower frequencies. Not sure where for your receiver but the denon thread will be much more useful for you. I have a feeling they will not tell you to disable it and ratherwork around the pproblem. The #1 answer will probably be DIY acoustic room treatment panels. That's the first thing I am doing when my income tax gets here.

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So if I understand, I either have a choice to live with the too bright highs or to disable Audyssey altogether? Do I lose a lot by disabling it? Definitely sounds 'different'.
looks like your receiver does have the feature I refernced. Check the above post. cinema EQ is what it's called. Try that. Interested to hear your impressions after you try it.
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On my Marantz it's HT-EQ and it's only available when a surround signal is being used. It wouldn't show up while playing anything in stereo.
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On my Marantz it's HT-EQ and it's only available when a surround signal is being used. It wouldn't show up while playing anything in stereo.
i just checked and its available on the sr7005 when using straight stereo and multi channel stereo. My settings for mulit channel stereo are HT EQ on, audessey byp L/R, 10db offset. sounds really good to me with those settings. My offset is for movies is course different for movie watching and I don't "by pass LR" audessey when watching movies. I keep HT EQ on for all sources.

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So if I understand, I either have a choice to live with the too bright highs or to disable Audyssey altogether? Do I lose a lot by disabling it? Definitely sounds 'different'.
did you find the cinema EQ feature on your denon? Did it help?
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Yes I did, have not been able to test it though.
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So i went with BX Centre. With BX5 and BK Gemini2 sub it sounds fantastic. What are your opinion for the rear speakers? Bx1 are so big, i really don`t have a place for them. I know satellites are kind of compromise, but do i lose much if buying satellites which gives 120Hz - 20KHz ? BX1 it says it gives 55 Hz - 30 kHz. I would put my front and center speakers to small and 80hz from the avr. I guess there isn`t some small speakers that goes near 80hz is there? Not for crazy money..

How big is the difference really? Surround speakers that gives 80hz or satellites 120hz? I watch movies only.

For satellites there are Monitor Audio NEW Radius 45 (120Hz-20kHz)

also the new Cambridge Audio Minx Min 22 (BMR) 120Hz-20kHz too.

Both costs near 300€ in here Europe for pair. For comparison: BX1 249€/pair, BX2 279€/pair BX FX dipole/bipole 279€.

So yeah, it`s a little bit of crazy buying expensive speakers that are not that good than cheaper ones. Size costs. Lifestyle crap, but it needs to be small. Maybe little bit bigger than radius 45/minx min 22 if it`s truly night and day difference. There are hundreds of people that likes those satellites for movies, they are not bad but when comparing to real speakers like BX1, how they sound (as back speakers)?

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Yes I did, have not been able to test it though.
good deal. I think you'll find that it helps. I put my other receiver settings in my previous post. Might want to check all your settings and compare them to what I'm doing.
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Hopefully they'll offer the ebony still. I might have hated the color of the drivers in the gx but the ebony was probably the most amazing finish I'd ever seen

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Decided to do a little measuring today to try and tweak my sub. After dialing it in, I took a few sweeps with just my rx8s set to large without the subs to see what the freq response looked like in my room. There was a good hump at 70 and 40hz with it steeply rolling off after that with no audyssey xt32 engaged. With it on, it smoothed out that hump and extended the roll off point to about 28hz! Not bad for a couple of 6.5 inchers

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Thats not too shabby of a reading even without audyssey engaged. Must be nice. I can't wait for the tax checktto get here. New sub, DIY acoustic panels #1 on the list and I'vegot my eyes on something awesome just hope it goes through

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For those of you with GSFX or GXFX surround, do you use dipole or monopole mode?
Also, what crossover frequency are you using?
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