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post #11911 of 11928 Old 06-26-2017, 04:36 PM
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Thanks! I have just now been busy reading a bit about 6 ohms rated amplifiers driving 4 ohms speakers, and there seems to be a lot about it, like what is the real average impedance, non-4-ohms amp ratings being partly about UL approvals, and whether you are maxing out the amplifier or not. Yeah, it might work, question is if I want to be a guinea pig and how loud I will play. On the other hand, if I wouldn't play loud, then do I really need these speakers?
Do you use those 225 watts? I actually tried one time to max out my VSX 924's 105 W/channel in stereo mode with the current speakers, which are cheap but big, and measured the sound level with a dB meter to 110 dB! Somewhere around 90 dB I had to put on workshop ear protectors. And walking away to another room in the house, to listen to that maxed-out volume from a distance, I couldn't hear any sound distorsion. But then those speakers most likely have higher impedance (while definitely not being fine art in accurate sound reproduction).
I probably don't get anywhere near using the 225 watts, but I don't think that's the whole story. I have never had the volume knob to the half way point. 11:00 o'clock is very loud. What I have is a lot of headroom with the amp, so I am not pushing it. It also allows me the option of possibly buying bigger, less efficient speakers if a good opportunity arises. The combination of that amp and the Silver 8's are on a different level compared to my Yamaha rx-a1060/Klipsch RP setup in my living room. The Klipsch are very good for what they cost, and for HT, but in two channel music mode they don't have anything remotely close to the drive, impact and soundstage of the Anthem/Silver 8. If the two systems were compared in the same room, it would be not be a fair fight.

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The Anthem Integrated 225 is actually rated at 310w/channel into 4 ohms
(I have the same one feeding the silver 10's)
I can imagine how good that setup sounds. If you don't need all the bells and whistles, the Anthem 225 is a great integrated amp. It can be had at bargain prices now, if you look around, much less than I paid for mine. The thing is a tank.

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I can imagine how good that setup sounds. If you don't need all the bells and whistles, the Anthem 225 is a great integrated amp. It can be had at bargain prices now, if you look around, much less than I paid for mine. The thing is a tank.
Agreed, it weighs more than my 11 channel yamaha receiver RXA3050.

Combined with the silver 10's it makes effortless big, clean sound. (24x24 room)
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Thanks! I have just now been busy reading a bit about 6 ohms rated amplifiers driving 4 ohms speakers, and there seems to be a lot about it, like what is the real average impedance, non-4-ohms amp ratings being partly about UL approvals, and whether you are maxing out the amplifier or not. Yeah, it might work, question is if I want to be a guinea pig

I have a 6 ohm amp driving Silver 8's, a Yamaha 3050.

For two channel it's great, doesn't seem to struggle I don't listen at high levels but it sounds fine. However, I recently discovered that driving the 8's is restricting the rest of the system (Silver centre and 8 Bronze 1's 7.2.4). When I tried driving the L&R 8's with another AVR there was suddenly a lot more dynamic range in the other speakers!

For now the 8's are run by an old Sony str 930 borrowed from the dining room which doesn't mind 4ohms but while surround is much better, 2 channel has suffered.

I'm scouring ebay etc. for oldie but goodie mono blocks or similar pure power amps, that can fully drive the 8's with no hint of any doubt.

Does anyone have Silver 8's driven by Musical Fidelity XA-200's, 250's or Quad 606 or 405-2 or Leak 240's?
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I have a 6 ohm amp driving Silver 8's, a Yamaha 3050.

For two channel it's great, doesn't seem to struggle I don't listen at high levels but it sounds fine. However, I recently discovered that driving the 8's is restricting the rest of the system (Silver centre and 8 Bronze 1's 7.2.4). When I tried driving the L&R 8's with another AVR there was suddenly a lot more dynamic range in the other speakers!

For now the 8's are run by an old Sony str 930 borrowed from the dining room which doesn't mind 4ohms but while surround is much better, 2 channel has suffered.

I'm scouring ebay etc. for oldie but goodie mono blocks or similar pure power amps, that can fully drive the 8's with no hint of any doubt.

Does anyone have Silver 8's driven by Musical Fidelity XA-200's, 250's or Quad 606 or 405-2 or Leak 240's?


Sorry Linn 240, not Leak...

Maybe you would be better off with the new version of the Silver 8, the Silver 300 it's been redesigned to offer an easier, more conventional 8ohm load. I think I know why.

I 'm happy to keep my 8's, I was planning to get monoblocks anyway, it's just brought things forward a little.
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I have a 6 ohm amp driving Silver 8's, a Yamaha 3050.

For two channel it's great, doesn't seem to struggle I don't listen at high levels but it sounds fine. However, I recently discovered that driving the 8's is restricting the rest of the system (Silver centre and 8 Bronze 1's 7.2.4). When I tried driving the L&R 8's with another AVR there was suddenly a lot more dynamic range in the other speakers!

For now the 8's are run by an old Sony str 930 borrowed from the dining room which doesn't mind 4ohms but while surround is much better, 2 channel has suffered.

I'm scouring ebay etc. for oldie but goodie mono blocks or similar pure power amps, that can fully drive the 8's with no hint of any doubt.

Does anyone have Silver 8's driven by Musical Fidelity XA-200's, 250's or Quad 606 or 405-2 or Leak 240's?
You've got Bronze 1's on your ceiling?
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You've got Bronze 1's on your ceiling?


Only four of them... My girlfriend didn't notice them for most of a week when I installed them! They are close to the walls and the top rears are at the edges of a bay window so not as noticeable as you might think.

The ceiling is a floating fireproof, soundproof layer so no chance for in ceiling speakers. It does resonate at 147Hz quite well so bit of a null in the EQ to minimise that.
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I have a 6 ohm amp driving Silver 8's, a Yamaha 3050.

For two channel it's great, doesn't seem to struggle I don't listen at high levels but it sounds fine. However, I recently discovered that driving the 8's is restricting the rest of the system (Silver centre and 8 Bronze 1's 7.2.4). When I tried driving the L&R 8's with another AVR there was suddenly a lot more dynamic range in the other speakers!

For now the 8's are run by an old Sony str 930 borrowed from the dining room which doesn't mind 4ohms but while surround is much better, 2 channel has suffered.

I'm scouring ebay etc. for oldie but goodie mono blocks or similar pure power amps, that can fully drive the 8's with no hint of any doubt.

Does anyone have Silver 8's driven by Musical Fidelity XA-200's, 250's or Quad 606 or 405-2 or Leak 240's?
Did the increased dynamic range you experienced include your silver center? Has your opinion of that center changed at all.

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First time posting here

I'm getting a b&w diamond setup for the front speakers and cm6s2 for the rears.

What atmos speakers would yall recommend? And do you think monitor audio in ceiling speakers would work OK for atmos with the B&W?

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Did the increased dynamic range you experienced include your silver center? Has your opinion of that center changed at all.


Better dynamic range yes, although most noticeable in surrounds and atmos. Still terrible dialogue though.. I've been listening to a few TV series in stereo lately sounds so much better using the 8's for dialogue.

Most of the time in movies there's either dialogue or music or effects, not all at once so the amp running out of juice can't be blamed for the poor voice rendition.

I've moved it around, tilted it, sat it on end, measured it with REW, messed with reflection damping, messed with YPAO EQ, it's better with most of YPAO's tweaks turned off. My theory is that YPAO was trying to eq out some gap in the crossover or phase cancellation and making things worse.

It's not completely terrible, it's better than my old Mission centre just not up to the standard of the Silver 8's across dialogue frequencies.

I'm actually driving the centre from the Sony amp too, keeps the front stage in the same character. I'm actually shopping for three monoblocks for the same reason.

Ask me again when my Silver C350 arrives ;-)
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Better dynamic range yes, although most noticeable in surrounds and atmos. Still terrible dialogue though.. I've been listening to a few TV series in stereo lately sounds so much better using the 8's for dialogue.

Most of the time in movies there's either dialogue or music or effects, not all at once so the amp running out of juice can't be blamed for the poor voice rendition.

I've moved it around, tilted it, sat it on end, measured it with REW, messed with reflection damping, messed with YPAO EQ, it's better with most of YPAO's tweaks turned off. My theory is that YPAO was trying to eq out some gap in the crossover or phase cancellation and making things worse.

It's not completely terrible, it's better than my old Mission centre just not up to the standard of the Silver 8's across dialogue frequencies.

I'm actually driving the centre from the Sony amp too, keeps the front stage in the same character. I'm actually shopping for three monoblocks for the same reason.

Ask me again when my Silver C350 arrives ;-)
I tried the same thing the other day. I was having trouble understanding the dialogue, so I changed the output to 2.1 stereo. I thought the dialogue sounded just as good, if not a little better through my fronts only. Of course, the soundstage was not as full, but the WAF might increase.

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Better dynamic range yes, although most noticeable in surrounds and atmos. Still terrible dialogue though.. I've been listening to a few TV series in stereo lately sounds so much better using the 8's for dialogue.

Most of the time in movies there's either dialogue or music or effects, not all at once so the amp running out of juice can't be blamed for the poor voice rendition.

I've moved it around, tilted it, sat it on end, measured it with REW, messed with reflection damping, messed with YPAO EQ, it's better with most of YPAO's tweaks turned off. My theory is that YPAO was trying to eq out some gap in the crossover or phase cancellation and making things worse.

It's not completely terrible, it's better than my old Mission centre just not up to the standard of the Silver 8's across dialogue frequencies.

I'm actually driving the centre from the Sony amp too, keeps the front stage in the same character. I'm actually shopping for three monoblocks for the same reason.

Ask me again when my Silver C350 arrives ;-)
You said you had most of the YPAO tweaks turned off. Were you running the Yamaha AVR in Straight mode with the Parametric EQ set on Through? Thanks.

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I tried the same thing the other day. I was having trouble understanding the dialogue, so I changed the output to 2.1 stereo. I thought the dialogue sounded just as good, if not a little better through my fronts only. Of course, the soundstage was not as full, but the WAF might increase.


It's fine if it's only you sat in the billy no mates sweet spot! Otherwise most dialogue just comes from the speaker closest to you. L&R are a long way apart to allow 2.35:1 CIH from the projector so without a centre it's a bit weird but dialogue is a lot easier to understand.
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You said you had most of the YPAO tweaks turned off. Were you running the Yamaha AVR in Straight mode with the Parametric EQ set on Through? Thanks.


I copied the Natural YPAO profile to manual and removed the crazy 160Hz boost it applies to both of my subs! They only go to 110Hz. Then removed most of the boosts from the center, I don't have access at the moment to check exactly. I removed the biggest ones in vocal range first while playing Cinderella's screeching, sorry singing from Into the Woods. Until it sounded much better.

Into the woods is "great" for showing up troubled vocals! Either Cinderella or Little red riding hood are equally "good" at rattling the teeth if anything is less than perfect.
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Trying to decide if I want to get the silver 6's or the 8's. My main issue is that the speakers will only be about 6 inches from the wall so I thought the silver 6's might be better because they are front ported. If I ran the 8's with a sub and crossed them over at 80hz would this allow them to be placed 6 inches from the wall with no problems?
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Trying to decide if I want to get the silver 6's or the 8's. My main issue is that the speakers will only be about 6 inches from the wall so I thought the silver 6's might be better because they are front ported. If I ran the 8's with a sub and crossed them over at 80hz would this allow them to be placed 6 inches from the wall with no problems?


I tried my 8's 9inches away, with and without bungs at first and they sounded ok. Later I made some measurements and experimented to find that they were best at least 12" away and 24" was best in my room.

I settled for 12" and no bungs.

The 6's should be better in a smaller room or closer to the wall. I didn't like the 6's much, poor vocal range reproduction and they change timbre at low listening levels (like most speakers do) the 8's don't, well for a small enough value of don't.

If you like the way the 6's sound they are meant for smaller rooms, my dealer wasn't very keen to sell the 8's to me for this reason. For an apartment in the UK my living room is big and high ceilings so I get away with it.

Now if I move I need to buy a house big enough for my speakers!
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Trying to decide if I want to get the silver 6's or the 8's. My main issue is that the speakers will only be about 6 inches from the wall so I thought the silver 6's might be better because they are front ported. If I ran the 8's with a sub and crossed them over at 80hz would this allow them to be placed 6 inches from the wall with no problems?


Oh and I'm using 80Hz, tried 40 & 60 but went back to 80.
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Thank you, I kinda have my heart set on the 8's. I think my room is big enough? It's about 18'W x 25'D x 14'H. the only problem is where my speakers are. I can only pull them out so far before they start to look weird to me.



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I tried my 8's 9inches away, with and without bungs at first and they sounded ok. Later I made some measurements and experimented to find that they were best at least 12" away and 24" was best in my room.

I settled for 12" and no bungs.

The 6's should be better in a smaller room or closer to the wall. I didn't like the 6's much, poor vocal range reproduction and they change timbre at low listening levels (like most speakers do) the 8's don't, well for a small enough value of don't.

If you like the way the 6's sound they are meant for smaller rooms, my dealer wasn't very keen to sell the 8's to me for this reason. For an apartment in the UK my living room is big and high ceilings so I get away with it.

Now if I move I need to buy a house big enough for my speakers!
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