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yup... pro logic..
now add to the fronts (which are 20cm lower for my ears, i have a low couch and am tall) a 2 ft which is 66cm and u get a 46cm difference which differs about 26cm from my advise. and again its for dolby II and not for dts , thx and DD. so to fill the gap and have all formats sound ok it works fine using the 10cm above the ear. so i say about 10-30cm above the ear works fine.
You're just making stuff up now. Where are you getting this crap about Pro Logic? Oh, I know, you're inventing it to make your own argument more plausible.

Nowhere do any of the recommendations I've posted say they're for Pro Logic!! Nowhere! In fact, the Denon owner's manual clearly shows it's for an Audyssey 9.1 / 11.1 layout!

If you want to ignore the substantial amount of hard evidence that's placed in front of you and go your own way, have at it. But please, PLEASE don't act like yours is the generally-accepted way of mounting speakers. Clearly I've shown that it's not. More to the point, stop giving out bad recommendations based on your highly dubious logic. It's unhealthy for the forum.
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only if u have adjustable mounts that tilt. mounts that don't tilt do fine within boundaries of the weight they can handle.
a good wall-anchor can handle a lot of load .. see here http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/i...infanchor.html
I used these and that have a long steel shaft with angles off set and ball on the end that attaches to the ball clamp you mount on the back of the speaker.

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These are rated at 30# and there are still some up to 100# models like these on this auction site as Omnimount is out of stock the last time I called them. Looks like they are making a different design now. These are holding my RS3-II rears great for the last two years and I can adjust then in several directions.

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I'm offended that in the time it took for Schwa to post pics of his new speakers and the time it took for me to read them, that nobody has mentioned that they are pussy magnets. That cat is right at home.
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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.

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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
Would psgcdn's method work for those?
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Would psgcdn's method work for those?
No... The one I am having a problem with hangs out of a corner... It will be concealed in the soffit but there is no wat the soffit can be made to hold any of the weight as it is being held from hat channels that already have double 5/8" drywall hanging from them.

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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
Look at these links for a "French Cleat" http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/phot...924243,00.html

http://www.instructables.com/id/French-Cleat/

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yup... pro logic..
now add to the fronts (which are 20cm lower for my ears, i have a low couch and am tall) a 2 ft which is 66cm and u get a 46cm difference which differs about 26cm from my advise. and again its for dolby II and not for dts , thx and DD. so to fill the gap and have all formats sound ok it works fine using the 10cm above the ear. so i say about 10-30cm above the ear works fine.
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well that is if u use old formats like dolby pro-logic, not if u want to have nice DTS,DTS-MA,DD,DD+, and other new formats to sound good. for setups like 9.1/2 ,11.1/2 with audyssey/yamaha/atmos/auro-3D heights it is totally not advisable that u have the side-speakers on 6' (feet ?) height.
This is the speaker placement guide for modern Dolby Atmos setup:
http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/A...ifications.pdf
What say you?
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Never thought about those... I will talk with my friend Sunday about using that on the side of one of the cabinets.

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TBH I'd probably get the RC52II anyway since it'll "match" (meaning it'll look more like a "set") the RB51IIs better.
Bought the RC-52 this morning. Realised it would always bug me having the 'lesser' centre, and I'd always think it would sound better with the matching centre. Placebo effect alone is worth the price difference.
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This is the speaker placement guide for modern Dolby Atmos setup:
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Atmos for my room would require 15 additional speakers over the 7.1 I already have. I thought 13.2 was the maximum level of crazy. That's apparently only halfway there.
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Atmos for my room would require 15 additional speakers over the 7.1 I already have. I thought 13.2 was the maximum level of crazy. That's apparently only halfway there.
That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
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That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
Sweet @$$ setup!!
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That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
All looks very nice don't worry about picture quality it is more then we need here, thanks for pictures.
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That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
Looks great!
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That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
Great looking room..... Thumbs UP!!!!
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Excellent looking room Schwa!
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That Atmos white paper is for theatrical installations. The placement recommendations and speaker counts don't apply to HT. Dolby hasn't posted a speaker placement guide for Atmos HT installations yet but I suspect it'll look at lot like the existing DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX installation guidance. And you're right -- it appears that the maximum number of speakers supported by the Atmos receivers announced so far is 13.2.

Speaking of installations, I finally got the RS-62IIs mounted (it took MUCH longer than I expected because I had to drill new holes, go buy longer screws, etc). Here are some pics of the new installation -- RB-81s as front heights are coming in about a month! I used my DSLR to take the pictures but they still look like a$$. I guess I'm no photographer.
Very nice room!
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I'll just mention that psgcdn's method uses exactly that french cleat.

I'll mention that I needed to add a piece of sheet metal (a large washer would work) to the front of the cleat mounted on the wall, to really trap the cleat mounted on the speaker such that it won't slip out. The speaker has too much leverage otherwise.

https://community.klipsch.com/index....other-speaker/


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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
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Would psgcdn's method work for those?
No... The one I am having a problem with hangs out of a corner... It will be concealed in the soffit but there is no wat the soffit can be made to hold any of the weight as it is being held from hat channels that already have double 5/8" drywall hanging from them.
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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
Look at these links for a "French Cleat" http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/phot...924243,00.html

http://www.instructables.com/id/French-Cleat/
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Never thought about those... I will talk with my friend Sunday about using that on the side of one of the cabinets.
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I'll just mention that psgcdn's method uses exactly that french cleat.

I'll mention that I needed to add a piece of sheet metal (a large washer would work) to the front of the cleat mounted on the wall, to really trap the cleat mounted on the speaker such that it won't slip out. The speaker has too much leverage otherwise.

https://community.klipsch.com/index....other-speaker/


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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
Would psgcdn's method work for those?
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Would psgcdn's method work for those?
No... The one I am having a problem with hangs out of a corner... It will be concealed in the soffit but there is no wat the soffit can be made to hold any of the weight as it is being held from hat channels that already have double 5/8" drywall hanging from them.
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I have a Klipsch Heresy HIP that needs to be mounted on the wall (2x4 or maybe 2 2x4 butted against each other for strength)... What would be good to mount it? They weigh 50 lbs each.
Look at these links for a "French Cleat" http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/phot...924243,00.html

http://www.instructables.com/id/French-Cleat/
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Never thought about those... I will talk with my friend Sunday about using that on the side of one of the cabinets.
I think I can make the cleat setup work for a side mount into the projector, and use it for a rear mount on the other speakers.

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i am not.. check the dolby and dts website for correct speakerplacement and not the last century thx website which requires u have a thx system and thx speakers.
Are you completely daft? "Last century?" That's cute, considering that THX posted recommendations for 5.1 and 7.1 layouts -- and 7.1 layouts, in particular, are definitely not "last century." But hey, whatever, you're the expert.

Oh, thanks for the links you provided to the Dolby and DTS recommendations.

Regardless, here's another link for ya, this time right out of the Denon owner's manual. I know you know better than them, but let me point out that they mention Audyssey DSX in the setup notes, so at least we know this isn't "last-century."



Aw, what the heck, here's another recommendation from B&W -- they recommend "60cm above listening position when seated," just like Denon.

At this point, I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine the correct surround speaker height based on the information I've provided.
all those links are for "Non" Horn Loaded speakers . horn loaded speakers can be placed & aimed from near any height as long as the middle of the horn dispersion is aimed directly at the M L P ear level .
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all those links are for "Non" Horn Loaded speakers . horn loaded speakers can be placed & aimed from near any height as long as the middle of the horn dispersion is aimed directly at the M L P ear level .
If you say so.

None of the papers/websites I quoted made a distinction between horn-loaded and typical dynamic speakers, and I've never seen different recommendations for horn-loaded speakers, but I'm done arguing the point. And besides, it's really all about what sounds best to you.

FWIW my side surrounds are mounted lower than the 6' recommendation because of limitations in the way my room was constructed (the speakers are about 1.5' above my seated listening position) but they work fantastically regardless. So the 6'-above-the-floor guidance is just that - guidance - although it's pretty common and widely-repeated guidance.

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i am not.. check the dolby and dts website for correct speakerplacement and not the last century thx website which requires u have a thx system and thx speakers.
Are you completely daft? "Last century?" That's cute, considering that THX posted recommendations for 5.1 and 7.1 layouts -- and 7.1 layouts, in particular, are definitely not "last century." But hey, whatever, you're the expert.

Oh, thanks for the links you provided to the Dolby and DTS recommendations.

Regardless, here's another link for ya, this time right out of the Denon owner's manual. I know you know better than them, but let me point out that they mention Audyssey DSX in the setup notes, so at least we know this isn't "last-century."



Aw, what the heck, here's another recommendation from B&W -- they recommend "60cm above listening position when seated," just like Denon.

At this point, I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine the correct surround speaker height based on the information I've provided.
all those links are for "Non" Horn Loaded speakers . horn loaded speakers can be placed & aimed from near any height as long as the middle of the horn dispersion is aimed directly at the M L P ear level .
And here I thought this was the Pioneer Owner's Thread.
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P.S. Don't forget to include the WDST speakers.
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Guys, mount the damned surrounds whereever the hell you want. The specific positioning I recommended is at least based on some well-regarded audio companies' specifications (and I've posted numerous links and articles to back that up), but if you want to mount them in your kitchen at 3' off the floor, more power to ya. I have yet to see anyone post cited recommendations or links espousing alternate mounting positions, but go with whatever floats your boat.

The pseudo-science around here is sometimes astounding.

Now, I'm off to conjure up the ghost of PWK...
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