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I have used all flavors or Audyssey except pro. The only one I would even consider is XT32. Actually I kept it disabled. YAPO is better than all but XT32 IMO. Still, I kept it disabled also.

Reading on the amps forum does not reflect that Onkyo is now producing quality units again.
I'm not finding posts which reflect a current quality issue on Onkyo's part, just lingering questions due to the previous issue with an HDMI supplier. However, since you're confident in the collective opinion of the internet, I'd wager that for every one post such as yours in favor of YAPO you'll find 8 or 9 in favor of Audyseey. Moreover, it appears that your situation either doesn't require Audyseey, or room correction in general, or perhaps you don't like what it RC does to sound. If that's the case, I can understand.

To be more specific, what I like the most about Audyseey vs YAPO is the fact that Audyseey tones the sub. Outside of that they aren't too much different. Also Audyseey Dynamic features are quite useful.
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oh ok I was reading some HDMI issues for the most part, which seems a bit sad. Any ideas on Yamaha 675 working with Klipsch?
hdmi issues where due to incorrect buffers on the hdmi ports, if you don't swap the hmdi cables when its turned on and use less then 3 meter hmdi cable it does ok. latest models don't have this issues. the latest firmware solved the upnp errors and some glitches in dlna protocol for the onkyo's. in this life i would not recommend a onkyo though as it is cheap crap imo. if you only listening to stereo any audyssey or YPAO is not so usefull. like you said u want great sound and playing from digital media over the net and the yamaha does this very well , but for audio quality you want to look at a aventage series amp or look into a good marantz which sounds great with the klipsch. it depends on what sound u like. the yamaha has a bit more clearer highs and the marantz is more tonal neutral. sony es series amp sounds very good but a bit more laid back. it depends on what kinda sound u prefer.

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I'm not finding posts which reflect a current quality issue on Onkyo's part, just lingering questions due to the previous issue with an HDMI supplier. However, since you're confident in the collective opinion of the internet, I'd wager that for every one post such as yours in favor of YAPO you'll find 8 or 9 in favor of Audyseey. Moreover, it appears that your situation either doesn't require Audyseey, or room correction in general, or perhaps you don't like what it RC does to sound. If that's the case, I can understand.

To be more specific, what I like the most about Audyseey vs YAPO is the fact that Audyseey tones the sub. Outside of that they aren't too much different. Also Audyseey Dynamic features are quite useful.
It takes about a year for the Onkyos to fail so the latest versions may need more time to reach a conclusion. And you are right that the problems seem to be better. I have owned many Onkyos before the problems started. My departure from the was due to a problematic Integra in the early 2000.
If I did not believe in the collective opinion of the internet I would be using expensive cables, amps, power cords and other snake oil.
I have no doubt that Audyssey is the preferred room correction system. Like or dislike, it is all subjective to preference and I respect anyone's choice there.
One of Audyssey's strongest supporters on this site has stated that he also would only use XT32.
I think that what I disliked about older versions of Audyssey was that it sucked the bass out. I admit that I do not always follow the crowd and that I have not developed a taste for room correction. Maybe that is a peril of fast becoming a dinosaur (old).
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It takes about a year for the Onkyos to fail so the latest versions may need more time to reach a conclusion. And you are right that the problems seem to be better. I have owned many Onkyos before the problems started. My departure from the was due to a problematic Integra in the early 2000.
If I did not believe in the collective opinion of the internet I would be using expensive cables, amps, power cords and other snake oil.
I have no doubt that Audyssey is the preferred room correction system. Like or dislike, it is all subjective to preference and I respect anyone's choice there.
One of Audyssey's strongest supporters on this site has stated that he also would only use XT32.
I think that what I disliked about older versions of Audyssey was that it sucked the bass out. I admit that I do not always follow the crowd and that I have not developed a taste for room correction. Maybe that is a peril of fast becoming a dinosaur (old).
It takes about a year for the Onkyos to fail so the latest versions may need more time to reach a conclusion. And you are right that the problems seem to be better. I have owned many Onkyos before the problems started. My departure from the was due to a problematic Integra in the early 2000.

Like I said, it's pretty well documented with a little use of the Google machine that the HDMI board issues were due to outsourcing because of the 2011 tsunami in Japan. This has not been an issue for Onkyo machines made for the last few years. We've been waiting about three years now since they've fixed their sourcing issues. The issue with the HDMI boards is that they can take a long time, or happen due to things people don't normally do. I've heard that if you use short cables (under 3') and never unplug them when the unit is on, that it won't happen. It reminds me a lot of the first XBOX 360 issues RROD.

'If I did not believe in the collective opinion of the internet I would be using expensive cables, amps, power cords and other snake oil.'

So the collective opinion of the internet 'saves you' from buying components that you don't need? I'm sure you could find a wealth of hits supporting all of those things. What separates good opinions from bad ones, are ones which logically detail their necessity. Or, in the case of Onkyo, sites and posts which detail the issue, and what Onkyo has done to fix it.

'One of Audyssey's strongest supporters on this site has stated that he also would only use XT32.'

I'm also one of Audyseey's strongest supporters on this site, and I'd disagree. Although most of the AVRs I like, have XT32, but that's a chicken or the egg thing. The best flavor of RC is only needed, if it's actually needed for the room. Your room might correct just fine with MultEQ, with other flavors bringing diminished returns. The only way to properly test this is to have the same unit switchable from different flavors, which we don't have. The better hi-fi AVRs usually have XT32, so there's naturally going to be a performance gain. Conversely, if you gave me the choice of a NAD 787 (with only XT) or Denon x4000 (XT32 'gold-pressed latinum edition') I'd take the NAD in a heartbeat and use XT with pride.

'I think that what I disliked about older versions of Audyssey was that it sucked the bass out.'

Again, RC of any flavor/brand isn't optimum for all rooms and or all tastes. When I use Audyseey I find that MY sub is less boomy in MY room, and I like that. Typically, I find this the case most of the time. Perhaps RC, Audyseey in particular, makes your sub sound weak for YOU, and YOUR room, but I find this opinion rarely shared.
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oh ok I was reading some HDMI issues for the most part, which seems a bit sad. Any ideas on Yamaha 675 working with Klipsch?
I still suggest a computer connected to a two-channel amp or receiver.
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Conversely, if you gave me the choice of a NAD 787 (with only XT) or Denon x4000 (XT32 'gold-pressed latinum edition') I'd take the NAD in a heartbeat and use XT with pride.
you compare a 3 times more expensive nad 787 avr and find it better then the denon x4000 ? lol the anthem mrx 700 or yamaha a3030 beat the nad 787 on every aspect including roomcorrect for 2/3 of price.

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I still suggest a computer connected to a two-channel amp or receiver.
a zotac zbox with a good spdif cable connected to a sony str-dn1040 and one has a high grade combination for a price that can't be beaten and the player software can be updated if needed.

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you compare a 3 times more expensive nad 787 avr and find it better then the denon x4000 ? lol the anthem mrx 700 or yamaha a3030 beat the nad 787 on every aspect including roomcorrect for 2/3 of price.
I guess I didn't make it clear but my point was that xt vs xt32 alone doesn't drive my AVR purchase decision.

That said, I know for a fact that the 3030 doesn't best it in any way, and please don't show me stat sheets. Nad is deliberately more conservative. I do t have much experience with Anthem.
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I guess I didn't make it clear but my point was that xt vs xt32 alone doesn't drive my AVR purchase decision.
That said, I know for a fact that the 3030 doesn't best it in any way, and please don't show me stat sheets. Nad is deliberately more conservative. I do t have much experience with Anthem.
it should not no. some xt32 can do audyssey pro too which is till now the best roomcorrect.
well it does and the wattage it outputs is as important as the roomcorrect. with a 10Watt most klipsch make ur ears hurt so that isn't much of an issue, conservative or not. it won't hurt to check out a nice anthem, they are very solid and well built avr and also are conservative that you seem to like. they're also very capable of driving the low ohm dips of the RF-7/7II

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I just bought an Audyssey Pro kit a few weeks back. Although they packed a crappy serial cable with it which wasted some of my time, I still think the kit is worth it if you get it below MSRP.

Being able to disable midrange compensation, make a custom house curve and have Audyssey actually pick useful crossover settings on its own is great! Sadly, it takes the processing power of a computer to offer these functions?!?

Unless these other brands offer some sort of a pro kit with software to handle filter and crossover optimizations, I would recommend using XT32 (assuming the unit is pro ready and preferably has dual sub woofer outputs).

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I have used all flavors or Audyssey except pro. The only one I would even consider is XT32. Actually I kept it disabled. YAPO is better than all but XT32 IMO. Still, I kept it disabled also.

Reading on the amps forum does not reflect that Onkyo is now producing quality units again.
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I just bought an Audyssey Pro kit a few weeks back. Although they packed a crappy serial cable with it which wasted some of my time, I still think the kit is worth it if you get it below MSRP.

Being able to disable midrange compensation, make a custom house curve and have Audyssey actually pick useful crossover settings on its own is great! Sadly, it takes the processing power of a computer to offer these functions?!?

Unless these other brands offer some sort of a pro kit with software to handle filter and crossover optimizations, I would recommend using XT32 (assuming the unit is pro ready and preferably has dual sub woofer outputs).
Where'd you get the Pro kit?
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It was new from a distributor on ebay. I bought the last one he had though.

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Where'd you get the Pro kit?
From what I understand they cost around $500. Prior to calibration, you need to purchase a license (via the site) that's model specific. You then create a key (for that license) that's specific to the device. Pic of what's included.
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From what I understand they cost around $500. Prior to calibration, you need to purchase a license (via the site) that's model specific. You then create a key (for that license) that's specific to the device. Pic of what's included.
yeah the stuff isn't the cheapest and perhaps only worthwile if u have bad roomacoustics and a expensive setup. nevertheless its fun to play with it. another option is this http://www.minidsp.com/products or this http://dbxpro.com/en-US/products/driverack-260 or this http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/ats or this http://www.krksys.com/krk-ergo.html and some more. there are many roomcorrect things , but i guess the cheapest of all is to use acoustic treatments on the right spots.

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I understand what Audyssey Pro is and the costs with respect to licensing fees. FWIW the alternative REQ solutions posted won't work well in a home theater environment since they don't support multichannel surround sound. Also, I spent more than the cost of the Audyssey Pro kit on my room treatments (and I don't have very fancy room treatments), and since I have two Denon receivers that support the Pro kit, that'd be the most cost effective option for me. That said, I'm happy with the results that XT32 provides, and I don't currently have much interest in messing with target eq curves, so I'll stick with what I got. I was mostly just curious where the OP bought his kit since prices can vary considerably.
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I understand what Audyssey Pro is and the costs with respect to licensing fees. FWIW the alternative REQ solutions posted won't work well in a home theater environment since they don't support multichannel surround sound. Also, I spent more than the cost of the Audyssey Pro kit on my room treatments (and I don't have very fancy room treatments), and since I have two Denon receivers that support the Pro kit, that'd be the most cost effective option for me. That said, I'm happy with the results that XT32 provides, and I don't currently have much interest in messing with target eq curves, so I'll stick with what I got. I was mostly just curious where the OP bought his kit since prices can vary considerably.
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I understand what Audyssey Pro is and the costs with respect to licensing fees. FWIW the alternative REQ solutions posted won't work well in a home theater environment since they don't support multichannel surround sound. Also, I spent more than the cost of the Audyssey Pro kit on my room treatments (and I don't have very fancy room treatments), and since I have two Denon receivers that support the Pro kit, that'd be the most cost effective option for me. That said, I'm happy with the results that XT32 provides, and I don't currently have much interest in messing with target eq curves, so I'll stick with what I got. I was mostly just curious where the OP bought his kit since prices can vary considerably.
they work, you just need multiple of them for a multichannel set. in ur case it is probably cheaper to get a pro kit. is ur roomtreatment working as good as XT32 or u find this combination of both better ?

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they work, you just need multiple of them for a multichannel set. in ur case it is probably cheaper to get a pro kit. is ur roomtreatment working as good as XT32 or u find this combination of both better ?
Definitely the combo is best. All I have is four corner bass traps (GIK Tri-Traps), three wall panels (GIK 242s), and a ceiling panel (another GIK 242) from GIK Acoustics. The treatments definitely helped a ton though; the room was like a racquetball court before I got 'em!
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Hello people,
I have a problem of choise, I have a house with a living room of 80-90 square meters(800-900 ft).

Have setup:
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I can understand this lack of sound in the room, no bass no drive.
After 82db volume front wheezes and clicks, possible listen jazz or classic without drive on 60-70db volume.
Listen stereo and films 50/50,

I want to change front and center to something that sounds good in the space.
If changed it for Klipsch RF-7(bi-amp with nad m25, have 4 free outputs on nad25) and RC-64 center.
It will be good change? I will have profit with my setup with nad+onkyo+rel in 900ft living room?
I ask it in forum, becouse i cant listen Klipsch in my country, need to buy from another country.

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Question for you guys - is it generally bad to place my speakers too far in front of the screen? Especially my center. If it is 2-3 feet out from the screen does that cause issues? I want to open up the soundstage but I'm curious how that affects the sound - I'm guessing it is not good because your brain tells you the sound is not coming from the same source as the picture.

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Wrong guy, but I did buy a "used" Panamax M7500pro from ebay (for a steal) that would fix such issues. I bought it mainly for peace of mind as I had no under or over-voltage protection. It was pretty easy to automate too as it has a serial port.

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did you figure out ur ground-loop dilemma you had a while ago ?

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What I'd do is a set an ebay alert and wait for a deal. With the alert I eventually bought a brand new kit a few months later, but saved several hundred bucks. Alerts is how I've bought most of my stuff, but it takes time.

The license fee is what it is; it's on top of the kit price which sucks and sorta kills the deal. Given how much I've spent on my system already, I think the kit was worth it given the incremental improvement. The bass is slightly better, and I know longer have to fiddle with REQ/REW to manually set crossovers for each channel. You can also disable midrange compensation, which you can't do otherwise. This helped my system to sound better also. I'd be surprised if you saw no improvement, but YMMV.

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I understand what Audyssey Pro is and the costs with respect to licensing fees. FWIW the alternative REQ solutions posted won't work well in a home theater environment since they don't support multichannel surround sound. Also, I spent more than the cost of the Audyssey Pro kit on my room treatments (and I don't have very fancy room treatments), and since I have two Denon receivers that support the Pro kit, that'd be the most cost effective option for me. That said, I'm happy with the results that XT32 provides, and I don't currently have much interest in messing with target eq curves, so I'll stick with what I got. I was mostly just curious where the OP bought his kit since prices can vary considerably.

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for all the onkyo lovers Dolby Atmos Comes Home in New Onkyo AVRs, Pre/Pro
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has atmos and matrix 7.1/5.1 hd into atmos
no audyssey but some crappy other rc
thx certified
no new content on bluray till end of year , tv shows are going to be recorded in atmos and here is a list of available movies http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/...os-movies.html
works with standard bluray equipment
its onkyo so hmdi board issues possible allthough i hope they fixed it by now
personal conclusion: i would wait for yamaha/denon/marantz/pioneer atmos avr

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Wrong guy, but I did buy a "used" Panamax M7500pro from ebay (for a steal) that would fix such issues. I bought it mainly for peace of mind as I had no under or over-voltage protection. It was pretty easy to automate too as it has a serial port.
oh i thought it was you that had this little problem with the buzzing sound from the projector.. nevermind then. voltage-protection is good to have in the states, the power from mains is not that great at certain times i heared and not like here in netherlands filtered and stable as a rock without outages. i like authomation, my whole house is automated with z-wave and wifi controlled stuff. everything voice controlled also

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Question for you guys - is it generally bad to place my speakers too far in front of the screen? Especially my center. If it is 2-3 feet out from the screen does that cause issues? I want to open up the soundstage but I'm curious how that affects the sound - I'm guessing it is not good because your brain tells you the sound is not coming from the same source as the picture.
wouldn't do that.. bad ? no but you need a avr that can set distance on speakers settings and it would still not sound right. better put the screen to front more and speakers behind it. open up soundstage works best if you put the speakers more distance to preserve the right angle.

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I can't put the screen forward more bc its on the wall. And it's not acoustically transparent either. It would require significant time, effort and money to change my setup into an AT setup and that is not something I am willing to do in my current home. Hopefully in the next one I can plan and design a dedicated theater room.

The reason I want to move the speakers is that giving the LR rf-82 more room behind seems to give them a better response in the room. They sound more full and musical, I guess. More life, especially in the mid-range. Also, moving the speakers up more will give me room to run dual subs behind the current console which holds the equipment and center channel.

But I feel like doing that causes an issue with the sound and picture not quite meshing. It may be in my head, which is why I'm asking for opinions.

Secondary, side question - how important is it for the LR and C to be at the same distance? My avr does measure for distance. So if I keep the center channel back, but the LR are a foot forward or so, could that cause problems? Shouldn't the processor be able to adjust for that?

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