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post #37261 of 37368 Old 07-07-2014, 07:54 AM
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Your TV won't be putting out very good audio compared to an AVR or other source. A DAC like that won't make any difference.

I would save your money and get a decent AVR. The money you save from not buying that DAC could go to a six pack to drink while enjoying some good sound.

I do use my TV as a source only when watching Amazon Prime through ARC back to my "AVR." However, the sound doesn't come close to when it goes from my STB though my "AVR" to my amp. My TV just gets digital video.

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Your TV won't be putting out very good audio compared to an AVR or other source. A DAC like that won't make any difference.

I would save your money and get a decent AVR. The money you save from not buying that DAC could go to a six pack to drink while enjoying some good sound.

I do use my TV as a source only when watching Amazon Prime through ARC back to my "AVR." However, the sound doesn't come close to when it goes from my STB though my "AVR" to my amp. My TV just gets digital video.
Ok, got it.
For now i'll stick with my rca->amp. connection than, at the moment i don't need a AVR.

However there's still something i don't understand...
think about this situation: you have a new tv (with a digital out) that have awful built-in speaker and you also have a pair of decent bookshelf speaker and an amp with only analog connections.
If you should use those speaker + amp just to have a decent sound from your tv , how would you connect them?
Wouldn't a dac be useful?

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Ok, got it.
For now i'll stick with my rca->amp. connection than, at the moment i don't need a AVR.

However there's still something i don't understand...
think about this situation: you have a new tv (with a digital out) that have awful built-in speaker and you also have a pair of decent bookshelf speaker and an amp with only analog connections.
If you should use those speaker + amp just to have a decent sound from your tv , how would you connect them?
Wouldn't a dac be useful?
Yes, but it doesn't have to cost $700 either:
http://www.amazon.com/Portta-PETDTA-...alog+convertor

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Yes, but it doesn't have to cost $700 either:
http://www.amazon.com/Portta-PETDTA-...alog+convertor
That's what i was trying to say from the beginning
I had this in mind: http://www.amazon.com/D03K-Digital-A...ords=fiio+d03k

Can you say for sure that using a device like that there is an improvement in sound quality if compared to the bare Rca-> Amp connection?
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What content is your TV playing?
Most likely an external DAC

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Continued... won't improve the sound.

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What content is your TV playing?
Most likely an external DAC

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Continued... won't improve the sound.

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Standard SD quality channel and mkv i store in my hard disk that's always connected to the tv.
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SD content most definitely no improvement with the external dac. Mkv, doutbful. If you really want to improve the sound, speakers first, then a good avr or 2 channel receiver with digital capabilities. Then blu-ray or some other content with high quality sound.

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I just purchased some KG3's I plan to use as my front mains, and a KV2 for my center channel. (I wanted a KV3 but they seem to be rarer and bit more expensive than KV2's). I am thinking of getting KG2.2's for my surrounds, but I keep coming across RB15's for good prices (about the same I would pay for the KG2.2's). Between the two which would you recommend for my setup? I also plan to use Quintets for my wides and heights, since I already own them and they are much easier to wall mount than larger speakers.
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Either would work; but the kg 2.2, or kg2 or KG 2.5 would be better.

Where are you? PM OK; may have a friend in Atlanta with KG 2.5 or 2.2 FS.
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I bought them for a friend at http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/s...er-systems.cfm
You have to call for the deal.
I bought my RF-7 ii set from Acoustic Sound Design as well. They were very well priced. Call over the phone or try live chat to discuss details. http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/
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i've bought from them before also... they are local to me so I just go pick it up in person. that warehouse is FULL of Klipsch product... first and B stock.

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I bought my RF-7 ii set from Acoustic Sound Design as well. They were very well priced. Call over the phone or try live chat to discuss details. http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/
I bought my rf-82 setup from them too. Easy to deal with, fast, no hassle. I want to support AVS as much as possible, but no one can compete with acoustic sound design on price for klipsch products.

they have B-stock rf-7s right now for $2300 but they'll prob do even better if you call.

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I bought my rf-82 setup from them too. Easy to deal with, fast, no hassle. I want to support AVS as much as possible, but no one can compete with acoustic sound design on price for klipsch products.

they have B-stock rf-7s right now for $2300 but they'll prob do even better if you call.
RF-7 or RF-7II?

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RF-7 or RF-7II?
rf-7 ii. and its actually $2400. Still a good deal for an advertised price.

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So I posted about this earlier but I haven't been able to solve it yet. When I'm running audyssey, it's setting my center (rc-62 ii) to a 150hz crossover. It never did that before, but recently the past few times it has. Something is off but I can't figure out what.

Is it just a room null? I'll need some time with REW to measure that but I don't see how it would just affect the center.

Thoughts?

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Where is your RC-62II placed?
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rf-7 ii. and its actually $2400. Still a good deal for an advertised price.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

I could not find a better price. We have a Amazon Prime Account so free shipping is the best I could find..

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Where is your RC-62II placed?
It's placed on a console on top of a couple of auralex isolation pads, slightly angled up towards the listening position.

The connections are in and the front of the speaker is off the edge of the console so it shouldn't be causing any early reflection. I checked to make sure the wires were right, too.

Here is an older picture:
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rf-7 ii. and its actually $2400. Still a good deal for an advertised price.
It's good for an advertised price, but if you call, you can get A-stock for about $400 less than that advertised B-stock price.
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It's good for an advertised price, but if you call, you can get A-stock for about $400 less than that advertised B-stock price.
Oh wow I didn't realize it was that cheap. Thanks for the heads up!

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I've seen B Stock 7ii's new for 1800$

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I've seen B Stock 7ii's new for 1800$
Awesome price...was that delivered where you pick them up local Klipsch Dist.?

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Wait wait wait, for the moment i'm not interested in home theater systems or such things, stereo audio is enough for me
what i don't understand is if a dac can represent an improvement in audio quality if compared to the rca connection on a tv...
I have done what you are wanting to do. I have two setups for different TV's, a full blown 5.1 setup with a new Onkyo AVR with all the modern DAC's.

I also have a TV that sends the audio OUT via RCA cable to a 10 year-old Technics audio receiver. 60 wpc. The receiver drives two speakers in 2.0 stereo only.

The 2.0 is a HUGE improvement in every way and will likely satisfy your need for better TV listening. Better highs, but still not CD quality, better lows and midrange, and of course, louder if you want it, which I usually don't. On my simple setup, the imaging is fantastic and it creates a phantom center. Even though there is no center channel, the dialog seem to come from the center of the TV. It is a very clear, pleasant sound, to me.

The DAC's from the 5.1 setup are most useful when separating the sound. For instance my wife and I like listening to Dancing with the Stars which is broadcast in 5.1, but my TV receives it in 2.0. There is male and female dialog, and GREAT music. The NEO 6 DAC will separate the sounds, sending voice to the center, most of the music to the L/R, and there is a good lower SUB sound. The surrounds play the sounds of the audience clapping. Voices sound fantastic, very clear, but voices are coming almost exclusively out of the center speaker.

The bottom line, is the DAC's really don't IMPROVE the sound, they just make it different. And frankly, sometimes the DAC's are not as live sounding as 2.0 stereo because of the additional processing.

All this is just my opinion, on my equipment. A better setup might yield different results.

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The DAC's from the 5.1 setup are most useful when separating the sound. For instance my wife and I like listening to Dancing with the Stars which is broadcast in 5.1, but my TV receives it in 2.0. There is male and female dialog, and GREAT music. The NEO 6 DAC will separate the sounds, sending voice to the center, most of the music to the L/R, and there is a good lower SUB sound. The surrounds play the sounds of the audience clapping. Voices sound fantastic, very clear, but voices are coming almost exclusively out of the center speaker.

The bottom line, is the DAC's really don't IMPROVE the sound, they just make it different. And frankly, sometimes the DAC's are not as live sounding as 2.0 stereo because of the additional processing.
I think you're confusing terminology. You talk about DAC's separating sound, and NEO:6 as a DAC, but what you're really discussing is surround sound processing. NEO:6 takes a 2-channel stereo signal and turns it into a 6-channel surround signal with varying degrees of success. This has nothing to do with Digital-to-Analog conversion.

I assume there would be very little difference between the sound quality from the TVs RCA, and interposing a Fiio in between. I'd stick with the RCA until you buy an actual receiver.
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I think you're confusing terminology. You talk about DAC's separating sound, and NEO:6 as a DAC, but what you're really discussing is surround sound processing. NEO:6 takes a 2-channel stereo signal and turns it into a 6-channel surround signal with varying degrees of success. This has nothing to do with Digital-to-Analog conversion.

I assume there would be very little difference between the sound quality from the TVs RCA, and interposing a Fiio in between. I'd stick with the RCA until you buy an actual receiver.
You are absolutely right! I was typing "DAC" but what I meant was CODECS.

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You are absolutely right! I was typing "DAC" but what I meant was CODECS.

"He who corrects my error gives me a gold coin."
Whew! I almost wrote CODEC in my reply, but then I thought "If he doesn't know what a DAC is, he probably doesn't know what a CODEC is either."

I have that same problem all the time. I see a word, and then substitute it for other words in whatever I'm saying/typing. Damn frustrating.
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I have a question on which is better for surround speakers. The ks-14 or the kb-15
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Whew! I almost wrote CODEC in my reply, but then I thought "If he doesn't know what a DAC is, he probably doesn't know what a CODEC is either."
LOL! It sounds like you and I aren't getting into a bar room fight anytime soon!

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Tonight is RS-52II's night ,
Hey guys, my new surrounds arrived today , they are like new only couple months old in amazing condition. I also get some banana plugs what Louis Bartay and DaJoJo recommended so I will let you know what I'm thinking about them. First I need to change end of my speakers wires from Regular to Pro (using banana plugs) then i will play with speakers.
Big thanks to all you who helped me.
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