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Nice rig ya got there Schwa! Love the room!!

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If your pre/pro has the room correction feature it will blend in the different horns.I have Cornwall fronts, C7 center and RS3-II rears all are Klipsch but all have different diaphragms and design of woofers/drivers in them and my Yamaha HD AVR room correction and my ear and Db meter has them dialed "N" I have a Nice sounding 5.2 for HT and Cornwalls for fronts for just stereo music. http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/.../1973-l200.htm these were killer sounding speakers when they were new. They still are if the networks etc are up to date. My Brother wanted a pair that had the "3 Way" mod done to them in the late 1980's. But he went with LaScala and a bass bin (sub) I think the JBL for fronts should sound just fine. IMHO.
The L-200's are in "home built boxes". I just replaced the surrounds on the 15" drivers this past week. They still have the original JBL crossovers I bought in about 1974 and seem ok. I had a little Klipsch center channel, probably considered 4 inch speakers with center tweeter, (in reality, 3 inch cones). Tended to be better than most small speakers but did sort of muffle speech a little with increased low frequency voice tones. I am hoping the clarity of the 64II will compliment, not muffle the JBL horns like the little cheepo Klipch I had in the center.

I have a Yamaha Avantage 3010 AV receiver. I could put the JBL's on a separate 100 w/ch Audire amp I have but think it should be fine with the super efficient Klipsch and not tax the Yamaha. I do not do any extensive equalization because I found years ago, if you do not like how a speaker sounds, try a different one, do not try to change it very much. The Yamaha Y microphone thing can set the levels and I can tweak them. Does it also equalize each one or just mess with output levels? I went with the sealed center channel enclosure of the 64 II hoping that it would not fight with the 35 to 50 cps output of the JBL's since the Klipsch was sealed and thus in phase above the JBL ported output. The Klipsch 64 II output should be down enough in frequencies below 35 cps to not really impact the JBL port output. The boxes are tuned to about 28 cps. I also have an 18 inch JBL sub in an 8 cu ft box on one channel of a Heathkit 200 watt /ch amp. It is pretty good down to about 28 cps then a typical 12/octave ported design roll-off. It does a great Harrier Jet imitation (True Lies). Not sure yet how to incorperte it with the sides and center which may be considered by the Yamaha to be bass capable as "Large" speakers versus the little surrounds I used to use and not send sounds to the big sub.
I have (again home built with all JBL parts, just my enclosures) 4 way JBL 4343 monitors at the opposite end of the room, biamped using a Marchand active crossover feeding the 15 inch drivers on a 250 w/ch Heathkit amp and the 100 watt Amber amp for the 10 inch mid range and two horns. That is for the music but really the L-200's sound almost as good to me. With all the stuff in the living room for audio and video it is tough to find a place to sit! May be silly to do all this but I need the clarity for my aging ears that just do not hear a lot of sibilant sounds. I saw a pr of the slot radiator tweeters you are probably referring to. The went on Ebay for over $700! The horns go up to 12 to 15Kcps without them but they do add some brilliance at least for those of us (not me!) who are in the sub 50 age brackets. The 4300s are sort of like the upgraded l-200's (called L-300s, which added the slot radiator super-tweeters) by inserting a 10 inch mid-range taking over the 300 to 1200 cps range from the 15 inch drivers and horns. I went from L-200 then added the tweeters and a few years later added the 10 inch mid ranges. I got a few extra drivers at good prices and assembled another set of L-200's for the theater end.
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Great I'm looking to add them also to my system also. I think they will do great. DTS sound test how you did it?
I sent off to DTS and they mailed me a DVD. I did not use any software etc to print a graph etc. I used a Db meter placed where I use my AVR mic in the center of the 5.2.

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Nice pictures, you have a very very nice HT room!!!!
Those are 81II's right? what is feeling to add then to your system, can you tell difference?
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That's funny! They're fake film reels that my wife found at Bed, Bath & Beyond a few years ago.



Thanks! It's 18 feet wide and 16 feet deep. There's an HVAC soffit running across the ceiling in the back of the room so it means there's only one row of seating and I can't put any Atmos in-ceiling speakers behind me. As it stands now, I plan to install in-ceilings exactly where the two recessed lighting cans are in the picture below. The wiring is already running from my ceiling to the equipment closet so it shouldn't be a big deal.
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Front heights are installed! Last step will be in-ceiling Atmos speakers once recommended locations get fleshed out a little better...







What model is the center speaker? I didn't see it on the Klipsch website.

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Great I'm looking to add them also to my system also. I think they will do great. DTS sound test how you did it?
I can't remember if it's called "DTS Sound Test" or "DTS Sound Check" but regardless it was on the Dredd BD. It sends signals to up to 11.1 speakers so you can make sure DTS Neo:X is working as advertised.

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What model is the center speaker? I didn't see it on the Klipsch website.
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[QUOTE=Schwa;25956346]I can't remember if it's called "DTS Sound Test" or "DTS Sound Check" but regardless it was on the Dredd BD. It sends signals to up to 11.1 speakers so you can make sure DTS Neo:X is working as advertised.

Oh ok thanks I will look for it. I think it will be nice add to my system. I talked to Mike from AVS and he said for front height get even for my system RB-81II's. I'm looking for some good deals on those.

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I sent off to DTS and they mailed me a DVD. I did not use any software etc to print a graph etc. I used a Db meter placed where I use my AVR mic in the center of the 5.2.
Ok thanks for response.

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Ok thanks for response.
The link for the DTS DVD is on this thread from a few months ago. One of our Klipsch owners posted it and many of us called and DTS mailed us a free DTS test disc. I have the phone number ( somewhere ) so if noone posts up the link or thread with the phone # PM me and I will look for it. It might be on the disc I will look for it and PM you if I have it handy.
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The link for the DTS DVD is on this thread from a few months ago. One of our Klipsch owners posted it and many of us called and DTS mailed us a free DTS test disc. I have the phone number ( somewhere ) so if noone posts up the link or thread with the phone # PM me and I will look for it. It might be on the disc I will look for it and PM you if I have it handy.
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Oh super, thanks Louis I will look for it.

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I can't remember if it's called "DTS Sound Test" or "DTS Sound Check" but regardless it was on the Dredd BD. It sends signals to up to 11.1 speakers so you can make sure DTS Neo:X is working as advertised.

Oh ok thanks I will look for it. I think it will be nice add to my system. I talked to Mike from AVS and he said for front height get even for my system RB-81II's. I'm looking for some good deals on those.
I honestly think that RB-61IIs or even RB-51IIs would be fine. It's not like there's a whole lot of sound coming out of those speakers. The only problem with the RB-61IIs is that they don't have keyhole brackets or threaded inserts to mount them with. If I were still running my RF-82II/RC-62II/RS-52II configuration I would've gotten smaller front heights for sure.

FWIW I used Pinpoint Mounts AM-41 speaker brackets to hang my speakers. I had to drill a hole in the baseplate of each mount so that I could bolt the mount to the speaker using the speaker's threaded inserts and 1/4-20 hex bolts. Those RB-81IIs are pretty heavy and I didn't trust the side clamps to keep the speakers from sliding off of the mounts. If you want I can send you some pictures once you get your speakers.
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I honestly think that RB-61IIs or even RB-51IIs would be fine. It's not like there's a whole lot of sound coming out of those speakers. The only problem with the RB-61IIs is that they don't have keyhole brackets or threaded inserts to mount them with. If I were still running my RF-82II/RC-62II/RS-52II configuration I would've gotten smaller front heights for sure.

FWIW I used Pinpoint Mounts AM-41 speaker brackets to hang my speakers. I had to drill a hole in the baseplate of each mount so that I could bolt the mount to the speaker using the speaker's threaded inserts and 1/4-20 hex bolts. Those RB-81IIs are pretty heavy and I didn't trust the side clamps to keep the speakers from sliding off of the mounts. If you want I can send you some pictures once you get your speakers.
Oh that will be great when you have a time I would be grateful for it.
well you are probably right RB-61II's will be also ok for sure. I just don't want to go smaller then that.

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Great I'm looking to add them also to my system also. I think they will do great. DTS sound test how you did it?
I am anxiously awaiting arrival of my RS 62-II's and am antsy about starting to prepare for them. How is everyone wall mounting them. Is the little hanger keyhole adequate to hold this 22# speaker? What size lag screw fits and works for it. Anyone use the four 1/4 - 20 threaded receptors in the back? Is the entire back panel or is the key-hanger slot recessed so that you do not have the speaker standing off the wall? Is the speaker 15 inches or 16.3 inches wide? Does that larger number include the grill? Any help will be appreciated.

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I am anxiously awaiting arrival of my RS 62-II's and am antsy about starting to prepare for them. How is everyone wall mounting them. Is the little hanger keyhole adequate to hold this 22# speaker? What size lag screw fits and works for it. Anyone use the four 1/4 - 20 threaded receptors in the back? Is the entire back panel or is the key-hanger slot recessed so that you do not have the speaker standing off the wall? Is the speaker 15 inches or 16.3 inches wide? Does that larger number include the grill? Any help will be appreciated.
I used a big screw and mounted it into a stud. The 62II's come with four rubber stickers that keep the speaker flush with the wall. They are kinda like shock absorbers. Put them on the back of speaker in the four corners. The speaker is 16.25 inches wide with grill on. 15 inches is the height. Depth is 9.75 inches.

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Front heights are installed! Last step will be in-ceiling Atmos speakers once recommended locations get fleshed out a little better...




What are the wedge appearing pieces on each side? Subs? How can you keep the room so nice looking. Beautiful! My room is full of "Stuff"

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Those are bass traps. That one likely means he doesn't need to open that door too often!

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Those are bass traps. That one likely means he doesn't need to open that door too often!
Yep, they're GIK Acoustics bass traps. And actually I have to open that door all the time (it's my equipment closet) but the trap is really easy to move.
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Yep, they're GIK Acoustics bass traps. And actually I have to open that door all the time (it's my equipment closet) but the trap is really easy to move.
You put up some excellent pictures, you should open your equipment closet door and show us what is behind.
So you have now 9.2 set up? What receiver do you have and any external amps?

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You put up some excellent pictures, you should open your equipment closet door and show us what is behind.
So you have now 9.2 set up? What receiver do you have and any external amps?
Here's the world's worst picture of what's behind Door #1 . From top to bottom:

-D-Link DGS-2208 8-port Gigabit Ethernet switch
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On the wall behind the power conditioner you can see my Monoprice HDBaseT converter/wall plate (it converts 10Gbps HDMI and 100Mbps Ethernet and passes them up to 300 feet over a single Cat6 cable). It works GREAT.

I have 9.2 right now and no external amps. Once I install my ceiling Atmos speakers I figure I'll upgrade to a Denon AVR-X7200W and an Emotiva XPA-3 or XPA-5.
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Here's the world's worst picture of what's behind Door #1 . From top to bottom:

-D-Link DGS-2208 8-port Gigabit Ethernet switch
-Dish Hopper with Sling
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-X10 Powermid PM5900 remote control extender receiver
-APC H15 power conditioner
-Denon AVR-4520CI receiver

On the wall behind the power conditioner you can see my Monoprice HDBaseT converter/wall plate (it converts 10Gbps HDMI and 100Mbps Ethernet and passes them up to 300 feet over a single Cat6 cable). It works GREAT.

I have 9.2 right now and no external amps. Once I install my ceiling Atmos speakers I figure I'll upgrade to a Denon AVR-X7200W and an Emotiva XPA-3 or XPA-5.
It is pretty nice how you have all done, looks great thanks for sharing!!!!
Need to look all your equipment closer to find out what it is.
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Here's the world's worst picture of what's behind Door #1 . From top to bottom:

-D-Link DGS-2208 8-port Gigabit Ethernet switch
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-X10 Powermid PM5900 remote control extender receiver
-APC H15 power conditioner
-Denon AVR-4520CI receiver

On the wall behind the power conditioner you can see my Monoprice HDBaseT converter/wall plate (it converts 10Gbps HDMI and 100Mbps Ethernet and passes them up to 300 feet over a single Cat6 cable). It works GREAT.

I have 9.2 right now and no external amps. Once I install my ceiling Atmos speakers I figure I'll upgrade to a Denon AVR-X7200W and an Emotiva XPA-3 or XPA-5.
How well does the Denon 4520 do with the 7II's? Since purchasing my 7II's I knew they would need some muscle to really get them to open up. I am debating whether to upgrade to the 4520 or get a 200w/ch external amp. The 4520 benches 175w/ch in 2 channel mode and 122w/ch with 5 speakers running. I don't plan on going to 7.1 until I get into a bigger room in the future.

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How well does the Denon 4520 do with the 7II's? Since purchasing my 7II's I knew they would need some muscle to really get them to open up. I am debating whether to upgrade to the 4520 or get a 200w/ch external amp. The 4520 benches 175w/ch in 2 channel mode and 122w/ch with 5 speakers running. I don't plan on going to 7.1 until I get into a bigger room in the future.
As efficient as Klipsch speakers are they don't need much of anything to play well. On top of that the Denon punches above its weight class and does a fantastic job driving all of my speakers. I'm only considering an external amp for my room because both my 4520 and the X7200W "only" have nine amplifier channels and I'll need more than that once Atmos hits the streets. I wouldn't even consider a separate power amp for my room if the Denons could drive 11 speakers.

Now's a great time to get a good deal on a 4520 (you should be able to find one for ~$1600 BNIB without breaking a sweat) if you're sure you don't need HDMI 2.0 or Atmos. However, if you're the least bit curious about Atmos, I'd wait and take a look at either the X5200W or X7200W -- I think the X5200W is supposed to hit the streets in September; the X7200W won't be out until January. I'd actually still be running my Onkyo TX-NR5008 if the damned thing hadn't up and crapped out on me a few months back. That said, I am much happier with the 4520.
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What speaker to use as mid and rear for...

Stats: RF- 7II(front),sw-310(sub),RC- 64 II(center),3313ci Denon(receiver)

what are some good mid and rear speakers for movies with this setup?

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what are some good mid and rear speakers for movies with this setup?

TKS!
Well for side surrounds I would prefer the RS62II's and for surround backs the RB61II's or RB81II's.

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As efficient as Klipsch speakers are they don't need much of anything to play well. On top of that the Denon punches above its weight class and does a fantastic job driving all of my speakers. I'm only considering an external amp for my room because both my 4520 and the X7200W "only" have nine amplifier channels and I'll need more than that once Atmos hits the streets. I wouldn't even consider a separate power amp for my room if the Denons could drive 11 speakers.

Now's a great time to get a good deal on a 4520 (you should be able to find one for ~$1600 BNIB without breaking a sweat) if you're sure you don't need HDMI 2.0 or Atmos. However, if you're the least bit curious about Atmos, I'd wait and take a look at either the X5200W or X7200W -- I think the X5200W is supposed to hit the streets in September; the X7200W won't be out until January. I'd actually still be running my Onkyo TX-NR5008 if the damned thing hadn't up and crapped out on me a few months back. That said, I am much happier with the 4520.
Thanks for sharing your experience. You can get the 4520 for under 1500.00 right now. By the time I decide to pull the trigger they should be even cheaper if I decide to go that route. I really like the sound of Denon and have had very good luck with the current and past receivers I've owned.

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http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/.../1973-l200.htm these were killer sounding speakers when they were new. They still are if the networks etc are up to date. My Brother wanted a pair that had the "3 Way" mod done to them in the late 1980's. .
I had never seen the Heritage flier for the L-200. Now that I see it, I do not have mockups of the L-200 but actually of the L-300 missing the slot radiator. The 200 apparently had a shorter horn for a 1200 cps crossover but the 300 is at 800 cps with a longer horn to allow the horn to go lower and cut off the woofer lower. I bought parts as I was able to get the money together. L-200 much less L-300 were well out of my league. I built one at a time and eventually spring for the HF crossovers and slot radiators. I updated my "L-300" to a 4343 as shown on my Avatar now. To do that, I had to get newer crossovers (all parts, my build) and the shorter horns for the 10 inch cone mid-range to go up to 1200 cps and the horn to take over there like the L-200. Now at that point I had left over horns and boxes. I found a pr of 15 inch woofers as well as a couple of the compression drivers used and bought a pr of aftermarket lenses, and wa-la, tv side channels!
The new Klipsch center channel 64 II to me is not as clear as the horns in the L-200's. It is just that the Klipsch does a better job than the woofer or horns do for the around 500 to 900 cps range and therefore sound a little honky to me. Maybe some equalization to get them part way to the L-200s will do the trick.
I did put the 64II on a lower shelf just under the TV as I was a coward and did not attempt to ceiling mount it (yet!) The centerline of the center speaker is about 24 inches above the floor now and is about 4 inches below that of the JBL's. Will take some getting used to I guess. I uploaded a couple of shots to give you a better idea as to what I am doing. On the theater end of the room in front of the left JBL is a roll of cherry veneer. I am probably going to cover the black onthe top half of the JBL front and sides with veneer to match the Klipsch. The room is a mess (and usually is that way not just messed up with the changes.) I live there. Maybe I can do some cleanup next week after I get the 62 II's up and running.
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You can get the 4520 for under 1500.00 right now.
Where? New from an authorized dealer? Please PM me with details if you don't want to post here; I'm really curious.
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I had never seen the Heritage flier for the L-200. Now that I see it, I do not have mockups of the L-200 but actually of the L-300 missing the slot radiator. The 200 apparently had a shorter horn for a 1200 cps crossover but the 300 is at 800 cps with a longer horn to allow the horn to go lower and cut off the woofer lower. I bought parts as I was able to get the money together. L-200 much less L-300 were well out of my league. I built one at a time and eventually spring for the HF crossovers and slot radiators. I updated my "L-300" to a 4343 as shown on my Avatar now. To do that, I had to get newer crossovers (all parts, my build) and the shorter horns for the 10 inch cone mid-range to go up to 1200 cps and the horn to take over there like the L-200. Now at that point I had left over horns and boxes. I found a pr of 15 inch woofers as well as a couple of the compression drivers used and bought a pr of aftermarket lenses, and wa-la, tv side channels!
The new Klipsch center channel 64 II to me is not as clear as the horns in the L-200's. It is just that the Klipsch does a better job than the woofer or horns do for the around 500 to 900 cps range and therefore sound a little honky to me. Maybe some equalization to get them part way to the L-200s will do the trick.
I did put the 64II on a lower shelf just under the TV as I was a coward and did not attempt to ceiling mount it (yet!) The centerline of the center speaker is about 24 inches above the floor now and is about 4 inches below that of the JBL's. Will take some getting used to I guess. I uploaded a couple of shots to give you a better idea as to what I am doing. On the theater end of the room in front of the left JBL is a roll of cherry veneer. I am probably going to cover the black onthe top half of the JBL front and sides with veneer to match the Klipsch. The room is a mess (and usually is that way not just messed up with the changes.) I live there. Maybe I can do some cleanup next week after I get the 62 II's up and running.
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