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DreamAgain2's Avatar DreamAgain2
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How should I be setting up my KF-28 and KC-25 crossover?

Should I set it them all to Small / 80 hz? Or should I set the KF-28's to Large/40hz?
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^^^ IF you have a Subwoofer, use 80 & Small for a week or 10 days; then try 40 & Large...see what YOU like best.

If no SW, 40 & Large.
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okay thanks. and the center is best at 80?
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If you use Room correction such as Audyssey make sure you never go below what it recommends as a crossover. It's fine to raise from say 60Hz to 80Hz, but never go below. So if it would happen to suggest 60Hz then do not try 40Hz. Hope that makes sense .

For example Audyssey originally set my Klipsch KLF 10's to 40Hz and my KLF C-7 to 60Hz. I have two capable subs so I boosted the FL & FR up 20Hz. 80Hz all the way around gets mentioned a lot but that is mostly to save power draw to the AVR. Klipsch are pretty efficient so I think 60Hz works well and prevents possible localization of Sub(s).

Everyone should listen between 40, 60, & 80Hz and decide if they like the 40-80Hz slam better from the fronts, or the sub. It was really close for me between 40 & 60 (my 10" woofers can slam), so I made the deciding factor be what was easiest on my AVR which is always the higher 60Hz.
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okay thanks. and the center is best at 80?
Most likely, Same is true for the surrounds. Not much if any low end gets sent to those speakers. I do keep my center set to 60Hz to match the rest of my fronts. The dual 8" woofers on my KLF C-7 are pretty capable though so I said why not. Doubt it makes much improvement (if any at all) over 80Hz though.
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Are you looking to build a Heritage system now? That seems high if it were in the USA but not sure if that's a good deal for NZ. I know prices there are a bit steeper. Save your money and get the RF7II's. You think your 82II's rock ha just wait till you hear the 7II's.
The black ash matches pretty nice with the 7s and svs.
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The reference line is the most popular line they have. So they must think this will make more money putting the gold/copper on everything. I personally think it will water down the line too much.

I think they will sell more lower level speakers with this. But I also think they will sell less higher level ones (like the rf82ii). Looks matter and was part of the draw of the reference line. People upgraded from the lower levels and got a whole new looking speaker. So now upgrading from a lower reference to a higher one ends up with a similar looking speaker.
Agreed. It all comes down to sales. The copper cones look much sexier than the current icon/synergy ones, and will appeal to the casual buyer. I bet they sell a lot more of the new Reference stuff, and about the same amount of the higher end Reference. I'm curious to see what they do with the new Reference II & III stuff though. Since they already have the copper cones, what will they change?
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It's all marketing and I doubt there will be any real improvements to the Reference line. It will be the same old story where they slightly change the spec (possibly with no gain or worse) so they can change the name and get people to sell their old stuff for the new stuff. I say hold on to your old speakers and if you are new to Klipsch buy used. Just like my old pair of RF 15's were basically RF 52's. They changed some numbers, put different feet/logo and called it a new speaker.
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Getting closer to my move-in date (We just closed escrow today, but the current homeowners are renting for 10 days to move out).

I've got about $1800 burning a hole in my pocket for my 5.1.

*rocks back and forth*

Just to triple confirm...

On Amazon, if I went fully Cherry (except the RS-52's, which are only black I guess) as they are the cheaper models, I'm at $3000 shipped for:

RF-82 II x2
RC-62 II x1
RS-52 II x2
SW-110 x1

On Sounddistributors.com, I see:

http://www.sounddistributors.com/buy...heater+Systems

$2599, still a lot better than Amazon and it's with a more expensive sub (310).

I live in Las Vegas, so I have been told I can call Sound Distributors and get a sick deal. Yes?
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Getting closer to my move-in date (We just closed escrow today, but the current homeowners are renting for 10 days to move out).

I've got about $1800 burning a hole in my pocket for my 5.1.

*rocks back and forth*

Just to triple confirm...

On Amazon, if I went fully Cherry (except the RS-52's, which are only black I guess) as they are the cheaper models, I'm at $3000 shipped for:

RF-82 II x2
RC-62 II x1
RS-52 II x2
SW-110 x1

On Sounddistributors.com, I see:

http://www.sounddistributors.com/buy...heater+Systems

$2599, still a lot better than Amazon and it's with a more expensive sub (310).

I live in Las Vegas, so I have been told I can call Sound Distributors and get a sick deal. Yes?
Yes, CALL Sound Distributors for the best deal.

You might want to think twice about getting the cherry finish on vinyl wrapped speakers. Cherry looks great on the RF-7II and RC-64II because those speakers have real wood veneers, but the RF-82II and RC-62II are vinyl wrapped, and the cherry vinyl looks pretty cheesy.
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Yes, CALL Sound Distributors for the best deal.

You might want to think twice about getting the cherry finish on vinyl wrapped speakers. Cherry looks great on the RF-7II and RC-64II because those speakers have real wood veneers, but the RF-82II and RC-62II are vinyl wrapped, and the cherry vinyl looks pretty cheesy.
Oh. I was just using that on Amazon (I wouldn't actually buy there). The SD deal for those speakers is way better AND it's black. I want black.

I'm not a good negotiator, so I would worry that I would just be talked into paying more heh.
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Oh. I was just using that on Amazon (I wouldn't actually buy there). The SD deal for those speakers is way better AND it's black. I want black.

I'm not a good negotiator, so I would worry that I would just be talked into paying more heh.
Have you thought of buying used? I bet there are a ton of Klipsch on Craigslist in Las Vegas. I actually just spied some Klipsch KLF-20's in Las Vegas. I have KLF's on speed search I'm sure there are all kinds of RF's too.

Just saying used makes the $ go further. Maybe get a better sub.
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Have you thought of buying used? I bet there are a ton of Klipsch on Craigslist in Las Vegas. I actually just spied some Klipsch KLF-20's in Las Vegas. I have KLF's on speed search I'm sure there are all kinds of RF's too.

Just saying used makes the $ go further. Maybe get a better sub.
I have. There was a guy selling a full set of RF1's for around $2000...that led me to this group about a month ago. I asked if it was a good deal, everyone said NOOOOOO. So I said no to him and have been biding my time.

Those KLF-20's are massive...haha. I'm quite partial to the styling of the RF-82's.
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True those 10" woofers take up some space, but those might be stolen for $500 or so. A KLF-C7 is easy to find for $250 or so and sometimes cheaper. I understand though if your going for the RF style. I'm surprised there isn't any RF-82's on there for a fair price with the biggest dealer being located there. Actually surprised SD themselves isn't on there pimping great deals to the locals.
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Finally returned home and got to set up my home theater. I plan on adding rears when I move to a new house that will allow it space-wise.

AVR: Denon AVR-X2100W
Fronts: Klipsch RF-62 II
Center: Klipsch RC-62 II
Rears: Klipsch RS-42 II
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD


ocelittle's Avatar ocelittle
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Finally returned home and got to set up my home theater. I plan on adding rears when I move to a new house that will allow it space-wise.

AVR: Denon AVR-X2100W
Fronts: Klipsch RF-62 II
Center: Klipsch RC-62 II
Rears: Klipsch RS-42 II
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD

Gorgeous
Louis Bartay's Avatar Louis Bartay
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I have. There was a guy selling a full set of RF1's for around $2000...that led me to this group about a month ago. I asked if it was a good deal, everyone said NOOOOOO. So I said no to him and have been biding my time.

Those KLF-20's are massive...haha. I'm quite partial to the styling of the RF-82's.
You will be surprised how good the KLF-20/30 and C7 sound. Add you will save a lot of $$.
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You will be surprised how good the KLF-20/30 and C7 sound. Add you will save a lot of $$.
Craig's List used Klipsch MAY be a Steal, ymmv!

Louis, I'd love to hear your Cornwalls, one day. *sigh*
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Oh. I was just using that on Amazon (I wouldn't actually buy there). The SD deal for those speakers is way better AND it's black. I want black.

I'm not a good negotiator, so I would worry that I would just be talked into paying more heh.
You won't have to do any negotiating if you call SD. Eric will just give you his best price straight up. It's pretty much the same thing with Acoustic Sound Design (also in Las Vegas) from what I've heard.

If you go with either one of those dealers, you'll get brand-new speakers, the exact models that you want, with a factory warranty, for not much more than you'd pay for used. Seriously. I've bought all of my Reference II speakers (2x RF-7II, 4x RS-62II, RC-64II, 2x RB-81II, 2x RF-82II, 4x RS-52II, RC-62II) from SD and couldn't have been more pleased with the experience or the pricing.
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Craig's List used Klipsch MAY be a Steal, ymmv!

Louis, I'd love to hear your Cornwalls, one day. *sigh*
Hi Kendall, if you are ever in the DFW area in Texas come on over, lunch is on me and bring your favorite music. I would like to listen to all your Heritage collection for your HT system. I too have purchased some used Klipsch over the years and saved a lot of $$. My Cornwalls are one owners and looking back the 950.00 I borrowed from Pop back then (1974)to purchase them new was wise purchase....look at how much they cost now. I have Crites CT-125 tweeters and Crites Type B new networks in them now and Pop had them veneered in Piano Gloss Black back the 80's and they still look great. They were raw birch with risers when we purchased them new as they were less money unfinished.
Louis
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Oh. I was just using that on Amazon (I wouldn't actually buy there). The SD deal for those speakers is way better AND it's black. I want black.

I'm not a good negotiator, so I would worry that I would just be talked into paying more heh.
Schwa is right, in Vegas SoudDistributors or Acoustic Sound Design is way to go?Lucky you many of us wish we have then in town. You will get the best prices for sure. You can ask only 2 question?
Let them priced all and then ask them if you pick them up ( if you willing to do it) if is there even better price thats all, you will safe hundreds of $$$ compare Amazon. You choice great system I will maybe just give up sub( what they want for it?) and look at choice one from SVS. Good luck!!!
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I have a couple of speakers that I have been holding for height speakers, when I re-work my front wall into a baffle wall design, but I am thinking of saving them for Atmos. I am thinking, Atmos may give more benefit than heights. Just my thought.
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I have a couple of speakers that I have been holding for height speakers, when I re-work my front wall into a baffle wall design, but I am thinking of saving them for Atmos. I am thinking, Atmos may give more benefit than heights. Just my thought.
Hello Mike let me ask you what you will get for front height RB-61II or RB-81II? All my speakers are in my signature,thanks.
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Oh. I was just using that on Amazon (I wouldn't actually buy there). The SD deal for those speakers is way better AND it's black. I want black.

I'm not a good negotiator, so I would worry that I would just be talked into paying more heh.
I'm in vegas and have used both local resellers before... they are just about the best pricing available most anywhere and I can go pick them up in person.

that being said, the Vegas market is hit and miss for speakers. At times there are really good items for sale... but they sit on craigslist for weeks and never move... and then they are gone as the seller decides to keep them. I know pretty much all the Klipsch here locally that have been for sale and there is a fair choice of unsold items from P37's, La Scala, Heresy's and an occasional RF 82/83 and KLF... you just have to look weekly.
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You won't have to do any negotiating if you call SD. Eric will just give you his best price straight up. It's pretty much the same thing with Acoustic Sound Design (also in Las Vegas) from what I've heard.

If you go with either one of those dealers, you'll get brand-new speakers, the exact models that you want, with a factory warranty, for not much more than you'd pay for used. Seriously. I've bought all of my Reference II speakers (2x RF-7II, 4x RS-62II, RC-64II, 2x RB-81II, 2x RF-82II, 4x RS-52II, RC-62II) from SD and couldn't have been more pleased with the experience or the pricing.
Cool, so Eric is the one I should be talking to at SD.

Nice.

Thanks, can't wait to see what he can offer.
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If you use Room correction such as Audyssey make sure you never go below what it recommends as a crossover. It's fine to raise from say 60Hz to 80Hz, but never go below. So if it would happen to suggest 60Hz then do not try 40Hz. Hope that makes sense .

For example Audyssey originally set my Klipsch KLF 10's to 40Hz and my KLF C-7 to 60Hz. I have two capable subs so I boosted the FL & FR up 20Hz. 80Hz all the way around gets mentioned a lot but that is mostly to save power draw to the AVR. Klipsch are pretty efficient so I think 60Hz works well and prevents possible localization of Sub(s).

Everyone should listen between 40, 60, & 80Hz and decide if they like the 40-80Hz slam better from the fronts, or the sub. It was really close for me between 40 & 60 (my 10" woofers can slam), so I made the deciding factor be what was easiest on my AVR which is always the higher 60Hz.
Audyssey has been setting my center (rc-62 ii) at 150hz....no idea why. And LPF is 120hz. So I set it down to 120.

I'm not sure if it's a room null, a calibration issue, or what, but it is very frustrating. My first few times it never did that.
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Getting closer to my move-in date (We just closed escrow today, but the current homeowners are renting for 10 days to move out).

I've got about $1800 burning a hole in my pocket for my 5.1.

*rocks back and forth*

Just to triple confirm...

On Amazon, if I went fully Cherry (except the RS-52's, which are only black I guess) as they are the cheaper models, I'm at $3000 shipped for:

RF-82 II x2
RC-62 II x1
RS-52 II x2
SW-110 x1

On Sounddistributors.com, I see:

http://www.sounddistributors.com/buy...heater+Systems

$2599, still a lot better than Amazon and it's with a more expensive sub (310).

I live in Las Vegas, so I have been told I can call Sound Distributors and get a sick deal. Yes?
FYI, I got the speakers you are looking for (without a sub) for $1800 from Sound Distributors and Eric. YMMV since that was a year ago.
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FYI, I got the speakers you are looking for (without a sub) for $1800 from Sound Distributors and Eric. YMMV since that was a year ago.
Nice! Do these speakers tend to drop in price?

What's a good matching sub for this set? Everyone tells me to upgrade the sub when i talk about the 310.
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Nice! Do these speakers tend to drop in price?

What's a good matching sub for this set? Everyone tells me to upgrade the sub when i talk about the 310.
I'm still looking to upgrade my rw-12d, but most would recommend an internet direct brand. SVS is highly recommended. However you are looking at $500 as a starting price ($450 if you get from the outlet) for the pb1000.

There is no need to match brand for the sub (and most wouldn't recommend it, since klipsch subs are sub-par; no pun intended )

I am looking at the pb2000. I got my RW-12D refurbished for <$200, so I'm hoping to sell it for around the same price. I may also keep it until I can get a second pb2000 to see how duals are in my room, though space is at a premium. You can talk to Mike who just posted here (AV Science Sales 5) or directly to SVS to figure out what would work for you.
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Cool, so Eric is the one I should be talking to at SD.

Nice.

Thanks, can't wait to see what he can offer.
Every single time I've called SD Eric's who answers the phone. If you manage to actually talk to someone else I'd be shocked.
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