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My room is 14' x 10' and I have the RF-82 Home Theater System. I initially bought them because the sales guy recommended them. Is speaker type size recommended by room size? Could I have gone with the RF-62 Home Theater System instead? What is the difference between the RF-82 and the RF-82 II set? Thanks.


At 14 x10 you could have gone smaller, but to more specifically answer your question, there's little difference in the RF 62 and 82, either mk I or II. That's why I chose the RF 62 II for my personal set up.


The mk IIs have an updated crossover which many consider an insignificant upgrade. As someone who's around them all day, the IIs have slightly more controlled highs.
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My room is 14' x 10' and I have the RF-82 Home Theater System. I initially bought them because the sales guy recommended them. Is speaker type size recommended by room size? Could I have gone with the RF-62 Home Theater System instead? What is the difference between the RF-82 and the RF-82 II set? Thanks.

There is no replacement for displacement. They will give you more range and can take more power. You have a good receiver, I wouldn't not have got anything thing less than what you have currently. You could go with Rf-62's to match with your rc-62 center. I don't know the differences between the "sets" you speak of. I assume you get the rs-42II surrounds and smaller speakers. I wouldn't look back for the money the speakers you have are the best bang for the buck.
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Recently acquired some Klipsch speakers. Have a few questions but will provide details of my system first.

Amp/receiver:Sony STR-DE845 5.1 5x100 (no HDMI inputs)
Speaker set A: Klipsch KLF-10
Speaker Set B - Front satellites Infinity Minuette
Rear satellites: infinity minuette
Center: Klipsch KSC-C1
S/W: infinity Bu-150

I'm running Directv into amp via coaxial audio
Running Roku 3 into tv via HDMI then audio out via standard RCA to receiver/amp

Question 1: at the age, would the KLF-10's need any crossover work from degraded electronics?

Question 2: would the infinity minuette center possibly be better than the KSC-C1?

Question 3: terribly annoyed that I'm not getting digital audio from my roku3 (play spotify much). Would I be better off to get one of those HDMI multi-switches that split off digital audio or better to get a new amp with HDMI inputs? Can you recommend a really decent amp for the type of setup I have? 60% tv / 40% stereo

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Recently acquired some Klipsch speakers. Have a few questions but will provide details of my system first.

Amp/receiver:Sony STR-DE845 5.1 5x100 (no HDMI inputs)
Speaker set A: Klipsch KLF-10
Speaker Set B - Front satellites Infinity Minuette
Rear satellites: infinity minuette
Center: Klipsch KSC-C1
S/W: infinity Bu-150

I'm running Directv into amp via coaxial audio
Running Roku 3 into tv via HDMI then audio out via standard RCA to receiver/amp

Question 1: at the age, would the KLF-10's need any crossover work from degraded electronics?

Question 2: would the infinity minuette center possibly be better than the KSC-C1?

Question 3: terribly annoyed that I'm not getting digital audio from my roku3 (play spotify much). Would I be better off to get one of those HDMI multi-switches that split off digital audio or better to get a new amp with HDMI inputs? Can you recommend a really decent amp for the type of setup I have? 60% tv / 40% stereo

Thanks
I recommend you buy a new receiver with HDMI. What's your budget?
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Recently acquired some Klipsch speakers. Have a few questions but will provide details of my system first.

Amp/receiver:Sony STR-DE845 5.1 5x100 (no HDMI inputs)
Speaker set A: Klipsch KLF-10
Speaker Set B - Front satellites Infinity Minuette
Rear satellites: infinity minuette
Center: Klipsch KSC-C1
S/W: infinity Bu-150

I'm running Directv into amp via coaxial audio
Running Roku 3 into tv via HDMI then audio out via standard RCA to receiver/amp

Question 1: at the age, would the KLF-10's need any crossover work from degraded electronics?

Question 2: would the infinity minuette center possibly be better than the KSC-C1?

Question 3: terribly annoyed that I'm not getting digital audio from my roku3 (play spotify much). Would I be better off to get one of those HDMI multi-switches that split off digital audio or better to get a new amp with HDMI inputs? Can you recommend a really decent amp for the type of setup I have? 60% tv / 40% stereo

Thanks
Sell your old AVR and look even for use one there is nice deals not expensive, if you can buy brand new make sure you call places like AVS, Expo Electronic, they will give you excellent prices, much better then Amazon or others but you need to call !!! I'm Denon guy so I will look for Denon.

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I guess my budget is $500 or less. I just see so many conflicting reports about what receiver or brand is bad that I don't know what to buy.
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I guess my budget is $500 or less. I just see so many conflicting reports about what receiver or brand is bad that I don't know what to buy.
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I guess my budget is $500 or less. I just see so many conflicting reports about what receiver or brand is bad that I don't know what to buy.
that is not bad budget at all!!! Plus you can count some extra $$$ when you will sell your old one. Denon is very good way to go. I bought mine Denon X4000 for $949 and msrp is $1299 from Expo Electronic, so it will give you ideal how much I save just because I call Denon dealer.

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Great deal on that and i'm sure price for brand new one will be close if you call dealers.

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I guess my budget is $500 or less. I just see so many conflicting reports about what receiver or brand is bad that I don't know what to buy.
For the money Denon and Yamaha are hard to beat for reliability and value. My Yamaha AVR is 6 years old and No issues and being retired it is hammered every day for 14 hours or so. Yamaha has some decent units for 5.1 HDMI in the 100 WPC as does Denon for about $500.00. The KLF are great speakers and IMHO the networks should still be OK. My center is a KLF-C7 and it still has the original X/O in it and plays Great between my Cornwalls in my 10X14 room. I did purchase new networks from Bob Crites for my 1979 Cornwalls and so far my 1989 Heresy II still sound like new with the original networks. YMMV on how long networks will last before they need to be re-capped. Call Bob Crites Speakers and talk with Bob about the networks.
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Sancho, my KM4 deal fell through, but I have discovered another option. I would also appreciate feedback from anyone else on the below:

- current system: kg 4.2, kv3 center, rw12d sub - no surrounds

- what i can get: 4 rf3 towers and an rc3 center for $500....i could then sell my 4.2s and kv3 and basically end up spending a couple hundred for a total upgrade to the reference line.......although, the rc3 probably won't fit in my entertainment stand so i'd probably have to buy a center stand too

- i can also get the rb51s for $50 (heck of a deal)......these would mesh well with the above should i decide to go to 7.1, right?

Thoughts on the above?
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Sancho, my KM4 deal fell through, but I have discovered another option. I would also appreciate feedback from anyone else on the below:

- current system: kg 4.2, kv3 center, rw12d sub - no surrounds

- what i can get: 4 rf3 towers and an rc3 center for $500....i could then sell my 4.2s and kv3 and basically end up spending a couple hundred for a total upgrade to the reference line.......although, the rc3 probably won't fit in my entertainment stand so i'd probably have to buy a center stand too

- i can also get the rb51s for $50 (heck of a deal)......these would mesh well with the above should i decide to go to 7.1, right?

Thoughts on the above?
I think 4 RF3's and the RC3 are a great deal if they are in good condition. The RB51's are also a steal for 50.00 and could be used as front heights or back surrounds. I say go for it just make sure they are in decent shape.
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^^^ I agree with cchunter; they sell Center channel stands on Craig's List: Tables; Wally World calls them barstools, for some odd reason.
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I have a Klipsch KV3 center channel and a pair of Klipsch KG3's I recently purchased, and I am having some trouble with the sound. Very high frequencies sound distorted. The actual sound of the distortion is kind of hard to describe but its like a resonating sort of harshness to the sound, and it sounds a bit hollow. Like instead of a smooth even tone, the sound kind of vibrates. It just sounds like the speaker is trying to play a tone it is incapable of reproducing, kind of like its straining. Its mainly heard from the center channel when someone yells, but sometimes regular dialog causes it as well. I have only heard it coming from the center channel that I am sure of, but I think I may have heard it coming from the KG3's once as well. All other frequencies sound good, and really the speakers sound great otherwise. I want to try one of the Bob Crites upgrades to see if that fixes the problem, but it would cost nearly $200 for new titanium tweeter diaphragms and crossover capacitors for all 3 speakers. So what I want to do is just upgrade the tweeter or the crossover capacitors on the center channel first, and see how that works out, and then upgrade the other components and speakers depending on the results I get. What would you recommend upgrading first in my situation, the tweeter diaphragm or the capacitors on the crossover?
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I have a Klipsch KV3 center channel and a pair of Klipsch KG3's I recently purchased, and I am having some trouble with the sound. Very high frequencies sound distorted. The actual sound of the distortion is kind of hard to describe but its like a resonating sort of harshness to the sound, and it sounds a bit hollow. Like instead of a smooth even tone, the sound kind of vibrates. It just sounds like the speaker is trying to play a tone it is incapable of reproducing, kind of like its straining. Its mainly heard from the center channel when someone yells, but sometimes regular dialog causes it as well. I have only heard it coming from the center channel that I am sure of, but I think I may have heard it coming from the KG3's once as well. All other frequencies sound good, and really the speakers sound great otherwise. I want to try one of the Bob Crites upgrades to see if that fixes the problem, but it would cost nearly $200 for new titanium tweeter diaphragms and crossover capacitors for all 3 speakers. So what I want to do is just upgrade the tweeter or the crossover capacitors on the center channel first, and see how that works out, and then upgrade the other components and speakers depending on the results I get. What would you recommend upgrading first in my situation, the tweeter diaphragm or the capacitors on the crossover?
Use a volt/ohm meter and take measurement on the mids and tweeters then call Bob Crites and chat with him. If the diaphragms are in spec odds are it's caps in the networks. Are you sure your AVR or Receiver is working correctly and is it a good match (WPC) for these Klipsch? If your old speakers worked OK on this amp etc then open the Klipsch up and and check the drivers first with the ohm meter. I have Crites networks in my Cornwalls (1974) and sound like new again. Call Bob he will chat with you about your problem.

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Use a volt/ohm meter and take measurement on the mids and tweeters then call Bob Crites and chat with him. If the diaphragms are in spec odds are it's caps in the networks. Are you sure your AVR or Receiver is working correctly and is it a good match (WPC) for these Klipsch? If your old speakers worked OK on this amp etc then open the Klipsch up and and check the drivers first with the ohm meter. I have Crites networks in my Cornwalls (1974) and sound like new again. Call Bob he will chat with you about your problem.
I have a good receiver, (probably more than I need) Onkyo TX-NR818, kind of broke the bank with that lol. I have used it with other speakers and have never had this problem so I think it is something wrong with the speakers not the amp. I think opening up the speakers and taking measurements is beyond my level of expertise, and I wouldn't know what to look for. Honestly I think these upgrades may be beyond my level of expertise but I figure I will give it the college try. I think I am just going to get a tweeter diaphragm for the center speaker, as that is the cheapest of the upgrades, and looks easier to install than those caps.
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I have a good receiver, (probably more than I need) Onkyo TX-NR818, kind of broke the bank with that lol. I have used it with other speakers and have never had this problem so I think it is something wrong with the speakers not the amp. I think opening up the speakers and taking measurements is beyond my level of expertise, and I wouldn't know what to look for. Honestly I think these upgrades may be beyond my level of expertise but I figure I will give it the college try. I think I am just going to get a tweeter diaphragm for the center speaker, as that is the cheapest of the upgrades, and looks easier to install than those caps.
Trust me a ohm meter from Radio Shack is not expensive and a screw driver to remove the horns and tweeters and measure the value on the speaker wires that connect each driver. It may NOT be the caps but worn diaphragms, call Bob before you spend any money.... http://www.critesspeakers.com/

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Any one here know if I just powered my center channel with a 200 watt amp and didnt power the left and rights. Would that still sound good? I think my towers sound great as it is and people keep telling me to pump more juice into my center channel.

I was originally going to get a 4 channel amp, then I though. A two channel amp is cheaper and it would have dsp controls. 1 channel for center, second channel for a 3rd sub?
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Any one here know if I just powered my center channel with a 200 watt amp and didnt power the left and rights. Would that still sound good? I think my towers sound great as it is and people keep telling me to pump more juice into my center channel.

I was originally going to get a 4 channel amp, then I though. A two channel amp is cheaper and it would have dsp controls. 1 channel for center, second channel for a 3rd sub?
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Any one here know if I just powered my center channel with a 200 watt amp and didnt power the left and rights. Would that still sound good? I think my towers sound great as it is and people keep telling me to pump more juice into my center channel.

I was originally going to get a 4 channel amp, then I though. A two channel amp is cheaper and it would have dsp controls. 1 channel for center, second channel for a 3rd sub?
You just might be the first person that's ever done that lol. Whats your setup? Speakers, receiver etc?

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Any one here know if I just powered my center channel with a 200 watt amp and didnt power the left and rights. Would that still sound good? I think my towers sound great as it is and people keep telling me to pump more juice into my center channel.

I was originally going to get a 4 channel amp, then I though. A two channel amp is cheaper and it would have dsp controls. 1 channel for center, second channel for a 3rd sub?
I am actually going to do this as well. I got a great deal on an Emotiva 2 channel amp but I am only going to use one channel to power my center. I already have my FL and FR on a separate 2 channel amp. From what I understand I should just be able to use the one channel, not worry about the other channel, and it will likely run cooler.

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I am actually going to do this as well. I got a great deal on an Emotiva 2 channel amp but I am only going to use one channel to power my center. I already have my FL and FR on a separate 2 channel amp. From what I understand I should just be able to use the one channel, not worry about the other channel, and it will likely run cooler.
Most amps today are built with a discrete circuit board per channel. The channel you will run for the center will still get to normal operating temperature. The other channel, however, will not be used and not add to the total heat needing to be dissipated.

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You just might be the first person that's ever done that lol. Whats your setup? Speakers, receiver etc?
x4000 avr, rc-3II,rf-3II for the front stage. I just bought a rc-64II, which is why I was looking to power the center channel.

I actually just tested it out. I used my inuke dsp. I set channel A to be full range and hooked it up. I set the center channel with the matching db as the other speakers using the manual setups test tones. I watched one part of a movie about 5 minutes or so. I was able to quickly swap back and forth between my receivers center and my amps center channel. I tried to see if it was any clearer or if I could pick up any extra detail

I put the volume to -10 which is about as loud as I listen to it, usually its around -20. I watched the same scene 4 times. Going back and forth between amped center and av center. I couldnt tell much of any difference. My receiver cut the hz to 90 so its mostly all highs.

Also I heard a hissing noise with the inuke. I removed the ground from it and that sound was not noticeable with my subs what so ever. I even used the rca from my sub A channel, hooked up to my amp. I just moved it from sub A to Center RCA on the receiver.

I get my rc-64II on Tuesday, ill do this test again. I am trying to justify if buying an amp is worth it. The one I want to get nu4 6000 is on sale today for only $310. I could go 3 channels to LRC and 1 extra for a sub. My only issue is I could just get another inuke dsp3000 for less, use one channel for a center and the other for a sub and have the DSP for the sub, also set a limit for the center channels power level.

OR just say forget it, which at this time I see no point in powering the center with an external amp or any speaker for that matter. Then just add 2 more subs, more subs I can actually tell a change occurred.

Its funny, I call klipsch up, and spoke to several support guys. Half of them said I must power the center with 200RMS and other say I dont need to. I talked to some AVS reps most of them say to not bother with separates and just use the AVR.
Maybe I will notice a change with the rc-64Ii that I wouldnt with the Rc-3II. But I honestly couldn't tell the difference between my inuke powering the center or my AVR. Just to note the Inuke puts out 320rms @ 8ohms.
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x4000 avr, rc-3II,rf-3II for the front stage. I just bought a rc-64II, which is why I was looking to power the center channel.

I actually just tested it out. I used my inuke dsp. I set channel A to be full range and hooked it up. I set the center channel with the matching db as the other speakers using the manual setups test tones. I watched one part of a movie about 5 minutes or so. I was able to quickly swap back and forth between my receivers center and my amps center channel. I tried to see if it was any clearer or if I could pick up any extra detail

I put the volume to -10 which is about as loud as I listen to it, usually its around -20. I watched the same scene 4 times. Going back and forth between amped center and av center. I couldnt tell much of any difference. My receiver cut the hz to 90 so its mostly all highs.

Also I heard a hissing noise with the inuke. I removed the ground from it and that sound was not noticeable with my subs what so ever. I even used the rca from my sub A channel, hooked up to my amp. I just moved it from sub A to Center RCA on the receiver.

I get my rc-64II on Tuesday, ill do this test again. I am trying to justify if buying an amp is worth it. The one I want to get nu4 6000 is on sale today for only $310. I could go 3 channels to LRC and 1 extra for a sub. My only issue is I could just get another inuke dsp3000 for less, use one channel for a center and the other for a sub and have the DSP for the sub, also set a limit for the center channels power level.

OR just say forget it, which at this time I see no point in powering the center with an external amp or any speaker for that matter. Then just add 2 more subs, more subs I can actually tell a change occurred.

Its funny, I call klipsch up, and spoke to several support guys. Half of them said I must power the center with 200RMS and other say I dont need to. I talked to some AVS reps most of them say to not bother with separates and just use the AVR.
Maybe I will notice a change with the rc-64Ii that I wouldnt with the Rc-3II. But I honestly couldn't tell the difference between my inuke powering the center or my AVR. Just to note the Inuke puts out 320rms @ 8ohms.
Hmm thanks for sharing thats very interesting to hear. I'm still pondering the fact of getting an amp. I hear mixed opinions on that subject so much. I really want a simple powerful setup. I'm still considering the Denon 4520 which has about 50 watts more in two channel and 45 watts more running 5 channels. Is it justifiable? I do want the XT32 though for calibration.

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Hmm thanks for sharing thats very interesting to hear. I'm still pondering the fact of getting an amp. I hear mixed opinions on that subject so much. I really want a simple powerful setup. I'm still considering the Denon 4520 which has about 50 watts more in two channel and 45 watts more running 5 channels. Is it justifiable? I do want the XT32 though for calibration.
I literately just tested it out and honestly couldn't tell the difference. It was like someone trying to sell me snake oil. Want to know what is so very sad...I still want to buy a amp. I dont know if its just cause I like wasting money on that stuff or what. I know it doesn't sound any different. Sure maybe if I cranked it to -0 or I was listening to music in 7 channel stereo. But when you watch a movie its not like all your speakers are full blast all the time. Its mostly your center and then a little bit here and there from your LR and sometimes your surrounds.

Maybe with yoour rf7II 's you could tell a difference as they would get a wider range of HZ and bass is where all the power goes. I put 320 rms to a 150 rms speaker and it sounded the exact same. With the hissing from my inuke it actually sounded worse, but thats a separate issue either with my ground or my amp or god knows. Any who.

Also, another thing that Klipsch support reps said is, the rc-64II needs the power to push the drivers to go deeper and a standard av doesnt have the power. SO, if anything you would hear more midrange which my subs cover up to 120hz and my center goes down to 90hz. My guess is most of that POWER that you need to push your speaker the subs already taking care of.

Next test I do, I will probably unplug all of my other speakers and just listen to the center channel. Although that may be an unfair test as you listen to the system as a whole.
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I literately just tested it out and honestly couldn't tell the difference. It was like someone trying to sell me snake oil. Want to know what is so very sad...I still want to buy a amp. I dont know if its just cause I like wasting money on that stuff or what. I know it doesn't sound any different. Sure maybe if I cranked it to -0 or I was listening to music in 7 channel stereo. But when you watch a movie its not like all your speakers are full blast all the time. Its mostly your center and then a little bit here and there from your LR and sometimes your surrounds.

Maybe with yoour rf7II 's you could tell a difference as they would get a wider range of HZ and bass is where all the power goes. I put 320 rms to a 150 rms speaker and it sounded the exact same. With the hissing from my inuke it actually sounded worse, but thats a separate issue either with my ground or my amp or god knows. Any who.

Also, another thing that Klipsch support reps said is, the rc-64II needs the power to push the drivers to go deeper and a standard av doesnt have the power. SO, if anything you would hear more midrange which my subs cover up to 120hz and my center goes down to 90hz. My guess is most of that POWER that you need to push your speaker the subs already taking care of.

Next test I do, I will probably unplug all of my other speakers and just listen to the center channel. Although that may be an unfair test as you listen to the system as a whole.
Yea I'm like you and still want to buy an amp. I'm sure it would open up my 7's more when running at reference volumes. I'll just make sure if I do buy one that there is a return policy. I can then play around with it and make my own opinion. If no likey then send it backy

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Any one here know if I just powered my center channel with a 200 watt amp and didnt power the left and rights. Would that still sound good? I think my towers sound great as it is and people keep telling me to pump more juice into my center channel.

I was originally going to get a 4 channel amp, then I though. A two channel amp is cheaper and it would have dsp controls. 1 channel for center, second channel for a 3rd sub?

Your x4000 is more than adequate for your needs.
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Yea I'm like you and still want to buy an amp. I'm sure it would open up my 7's more when running at reference volumes. I'll just make sure if I do buy one that there is a return policy. I can then play around with it and make my own opinion. If no likey then send it backy
An additional power amp, like a Nad 275 will make a noticeable improvement on RF7 IIs due to some of the inherent impedance dips with that speaker. The improvement would be more noticeable with music, but not so much HT. In fact, I wouldn't make the investment if your primary use is HT.


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An additional power amp, like a Nad 275 will make a noticeable improvement on RF7 IIs due to some of the inherent impedance dips with that speaker. The improvement would be more noticeable with music, but not so much HT. In fact, I wouldn't make the investment if your primary use is HT.


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@chalugadp posted a thread about a crown x1000 onsale at guitar center. its 200rms x2 and its $99 bucks!

for $200 you could power all front three. They also use traditional speaker wire connections which is nice, saves money on speakon connectors. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...uestid=1014927
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I might grab one for my LR and a inuke3000dsp for center and a third sub. OR just get 2 and power 2 more subs.
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