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I will. I'll have to try that and if that doesn't give me what I want I will just go with the RB-52. And PM, I can't mount them high because there is a knick knack shelf on the left side so it can only go a foot above ear level. I tried putting it on the shelf and that's 2.5 feet above ear level and I actually like the sound better when it's at ear level any way.

The attempt was to try to diffuse that sound a bit. I'll give the RS-42 a try next. Luckily, fry's has many of these in stock and I don't have to pay to return them like with AVS. I still have the 41s on the way but I'll try them all at Fry's before I decide which one I actually will order from AVS and keep. Thanks for that recommendation!

I'm not sure what your wall looks like, but the RS series surrounds need wall space around them (3 feet would be ideal) so they can achieve a wide sound stage. A shelf to close to it, above, below, beside, it doesn't matter will potentially mess with it's ability to do this.
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Great find. Congrats!

I found that Home Depot has Satin Black paint in a spray can. I'm going to try it out on my KLF-C7.
hurry up mongo with the spray,i can't wait till your done with that c7 so i can see the result dude
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hurry up mongo with the spray,i can't wait till your done with that c7 so i can see the result dude
hope it looks brand new
Here we go. I have 0 (ZERO)) woodworking experience. I hit the scratches with some 0000 steel wool. Wiped off and sprayed. I didn't want to sand too much off the veneer. With the paint, it makes the scratches look like indentations.
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Here we go. I have 0 (ZERO)) woodworking experience. I hit the scratches with some 0000 steel wool. Wiped off and sprayed. I didn't want to sand too much off the veneer. With the paint, it makes the scratches look like indentations.
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I'm not sure what your wall looks like, but the RS series surrounds need wall space around them (3 feet would be ideal) so they can achieve a wide sound stage. A shelf to close to it, above, below, beside, it doesn't matter will potentially mess with it's ability to do this.
I see, yeah it's kinda tucked in there with a couch around it too. So there really isn't a lot of open space, just some. Maybe I am best going with the RB-51. At least then I would get the fuller sound of a larger woofer.

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Nice job Mongo, it looks great!
Thnx, man! I really appreciate that. I don't mind that the scratches look like indents. I just don't know what to do with the damaged ends in the corners. I guess just paint over them and call it a day. I really didn't expect much for $150.
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Here we go. I have 0 (ZERO)) woodworking experience. I hit the scratches with some 0000 steel wool. Wiped off and sprayed. I didn't want to sand too much off the veneer. With the paint, it makes the scratches look like indentations.
mongo i am impressed ,thank you so much it looks great dude congrats .did you sand then wipe then sprayed? did you have to overlap?how many coats ?details dude please........i love it
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mongo i am impressed ,thank you so much it looks great dude congrats .did you sand then wipe then sprayed? did you have to overlap?how many coats ?details dude please........i love it
First, I had to dust the speaker off. I'm waiting for Dean to have time to rebuild the xover. I ran some 0000 steel wool over the scratches to try to "bring them to the surface; cut down on the sharpness of the scratch." Once you figure out what I just said, I wiped the speaker down again with just a dry rag. One coat of paint. I let it dry for a half hour before I took the after pics. I do like the wood grain that shows on the black speakers. That's why only one coat.
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First, I had to dust the speaker off. I'm waiting for Dean to have time to rebuild the xover. I ran some 0000 steel wool over the scratches to try to "bring them to the surface; cut down on the sharpness of the scratch." Once you figure out what I just said, I wiped the speaker down again with just a dry rag. One coat of paint. I let it dry for a half hour before I took the after pics. I do like the wood grain that shows on the black speakers. That's why only one coat.
very nice mongo ,now once i get those klf 30 s i will do exactly that .so you only sand lightly the scratches
not the whole thing ,i thought we had to for the paint to stick
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very nice mongo ,now once i get those klf 30 s i will do exactly that .so you only sand lightly the scratches
not the whole thing ,i thought we had to for the paint to stick
On the black speakers I bought new (Chorus II's and an Academy) it didn't look like they put anything on top of the paint. Thus, the satin finish. If they covered the veneer with a coat of poly
urethane, then you would have to sand that layer off to get to the wood veneer. But, as is, I just hit the scratches with the steel wool just a little bit and painted.
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I see, yeah it's kinda tucked in there with a couch around it too. So there really isn't a lot of open space, just some. Maybe I am best going with the RB-51. At least then I would get the fuller sound of a larger woofer.
Bipoles aren't good in all conditions. If you have the space for the RB 51 II then go for it. Don't point them straight at you, but at an imaginary target between you and the TV, or even right at the TV. Then you'll get some phantom sound spread along the wall.

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I'm not sure what your wall looks like, but the RS series surrounds need wall space around them (3 feet would be ideal) so they can achieve a wide sound stage. A shelf to close to it, above, below, beside, it doesn't matter will potentially mess with it's ability to do this.
Ok I need a little more help. I want to get this right because I will be out $80 if I order another one and change my mind. Between the RS-41, RS-42, RB-51.

RS-41: Like the clarity of the sound, only disappointed because I expected more diffuse sound. Sounds really weak during Audyssey set-up. Like the look

RS-42: in the hope it might diffuse sound more, might be slightly "fuller" due to 2 woofers. Look the look But if CandT is right and it might not diffuse the sound any better than the 41 due to it's location, then it could be a wasted purchase.

RB-51: largest woofer. supposed specs from Klipsch, 41 goes down to 85, 42 to 62, 51 to 50. Advantage here is I'm used to same size polk bookshelves. Wouldn't have any regrets as far as woofer size but might have regrets I didn't try RS-42.

I very well might still end up keeping the RS-41. I guess I just expected a tiny less directionality. And if I'm not getting it the thought would be just get a bigger woofer so I atleast get fuller sound. I'm fickle I know it guys. Help me make the best selection.

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Bipoles aren't good in all conditions. If you have the space for the RB 51 II then go for it. Don't point them straight at you, but at an imaginary target between you and the TV, or even right at the TV. Then you'll get some phantom sound spread along the wall.
I have them wall mounted flush at the wall. The one thing I can guarantee you is no matter what I get, they will be flush with the wall. I could achieve that same phantom sound with a RS-42 right? I mean that was the thought that some would bounce off the back wall and then out into the room. That's why I tried the 41.

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Hi, thanks for providing your feedback! The room that I need to fill in is 19x19x22
That is a good sized space. Any particular reason you are looking at the Gallery series?

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That is a good sized space. Any particular reason you are looking at the Gallery series?
I want it to have a small footprint but cam still fill up the room. What do you think of the Martin Logan's or Definitive speakers? Due to lack of stores that can demo klipsch in my area, I might just go with these.
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I want it to have a small footprint but cam still fill up the room. What do you think of the Martin Logan's or Definitive speakers? Due to lack of stores that can demo klipsch in my area, I might just go with these.
I can't speak to filling up the room honestly. The way I have my bedroom setup everything is really close. They have big sound but definitely need a sub for the bass. BestBuy carries the Gallery series so you could always try them for a week and then return them within Best Buy's 14 day return policy. I think you lose a little on the open box but I am not sure on that.

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I have them wall mounted flush at the wall. The one thing I can guarantee you is no matter what I get, they will be flush with the wall. I could achieve that same phantom sound with a RS-42 right? I mean that was the thought that some would bounce off the back wall and then out into the room. That's why I tried the 41.
I would get the RS42II's. Even better but I know price is a bit steep the RS52II's would be perfect with your front three. My 62II's are up against the wall and I get very good surround considering my small room and how close they are to my ears. The camera angle makes the room very narrow but it is 13 ft wide x 19 ft long. I wish I could have went the long way but there is a heater along the short wall.
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Has anyone tried surrounds (the ones you are supposed to put to the left and right of you facing you). At ear level and then 2 feet above ear level and actually prefer it at ear level? Maybe I don't like surround that sounds "above" me.

All I know is that I've achieved "ghost sound" even with bookshelves at ear level aimed right at me. IE surround that sounded in the middle of the room. I think it's because audyssey had the levels of the speakers perfect for my position. So it's not like it's not achievable with good software.

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I would get the RS42II's. Even better but I know price is a bit steep the RS52II's would be perfect with your front three. My 62II's are up against the wall and I get very good surround considering my small room and how close they are to my ears. The camera angle makes the room very narrow but it is 13 ft wide x 19 ft long. I wish I could have went the long way but there is a heater along the short wall.
Yeah I wish I had a longer room. I think you are right CC about the 5.25 would be a bit better match for my 62s. That's why I'm thinking about the RB-52. See part of me just wants to TRY the RS-42s just to hear how they sound. But I think deep inside I might have already decided with the RB-52s because of those 5.25 woofers.

Your surrounds are much further from your LP than mine are. By about 2 feet. Does that change your opinion? Also mine can't be aimed forward they have to be aimed at the side.

Plus I tried them aimed forward and I didn't like them as much.

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Yeah I wish I had a longer room. I think you are right CC about the 5.25 would be a bit better match for my 62s. That's why I'm thinking about the RB-52. See part of me just wants to TRY the RS-42s just to hear how they sound. But I think deep inside I might have already decided with the RB-52s because of those 5.25 woofers.

Your surrounds are much further from your LP than mine are. By about 2 feet. Does that change your opinion? Also mine can't be aimed forward they have to be aimed at the side.

Plus I tried them aimed forward and I didn't like them as much.
If your going to get the RB51II's then I agree with ClawTalon and don't aim them directly at you. Mount them above your head at least to give a better effect. I had the RB51II's and they are very good bookshelves and was also using them as surrounds at one point. If your putting your surrounds on the side walls then I would definitely get the RS42II's.

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Yeah I wish I had a longer room. I think you are right CC about the 5.25 would be a bit better match for my 62s. That's why I'm thinking about the RB-52. See part of me just wants to TRY the RS-42s just to hear how they sound. But I think deep inside I might have already decided with the RB-52s because of those 5.25 woofers.

Your surrounds are much further from your LP than mine are. By about 2 feet. Does that change your opinion? Also mine can't be aimed forward they have to be aimed at the side.

Plus I tried them aimed forward and I didn't like them as much.
Just a FYI on the RB-51. They are rear ported and I saw in a post of yours that whatever you get is going to be flush mounted to the wall. The RB-51 should have at least an inch or two of space behind it.
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Just a FYI on the RB-51. They are rear ported and I saw in a post of yours that whatever you get is going to be flush mounted to the wall. The RB-51 should have at least an inch or two of space behind it.
Yeah even though on Klipsch page it talks about wall mounting as an option. That's one reason I was gonna go with either 41 or 42 RS's.

So now I guess it's between the RS41 or RS42. Since I'm not sure how the 42s will sound and I can't demo them without taking an $80 risk, I'm just gonna keep the 41s.

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I don't like surrounds too close to my ears. Too easy to localize.
Above your head will get you the sound you are looking for. Right at your ears will localize them
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I can still localize them when I put them on the shelf 2 ish to 2.5 feet above ear level. Thing is you just gotta experiment. And so far with my limited options I actually prefer them to the side. Just turn it down slightly to blend better.

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Yeah I wish I had a longer room. I think you are right CC about the 5.25 would be a bit better match for my 62s. That's why I'm thinking about the RB-52. See part of me just wants to TRY the RS-42s just to hear how they sound. But I think deep inside I might have already decided with the RB-52s because of those 5.25 woofers.

Your surrounds are much further from your LP than mine are. By about 2 feet. Does that change your opinion? Also mine can't be aimed forward they have to be aimed at the side.

Plus I tried them aimed forward and I didn't like them as much.
Don't get caught up in driver size! Especially since you're playing near field and were talking surrounds! That said if you go with RB series bookshelves get a Pinpoint wall mount, and don't do flush mount. With the RS series bipoles, flush mount all you want. Again if you go with the RS series they need some room to breath, like a 2 foot radius. With your setup being so near field I'd do RB41s on pinpoint mounts.

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Yeah I am caught up in driver size. I even look at the frequency range. The reason I went with the 41s is I convinced myself the would be perfect for how close I am. Then I heard their actual range with audyssey, and yuck.

Do you think the 20 hz difference would be noticeable with the RS-42s? I think I'd like to stick to RS because I like to wall mount. And they look good, even if in the location they lose some of their ability.

One last question I guess is, are the 42s worth it over the 41s.

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Yeah I am caught up in driver size. I even look at the frequency range. The reason I went with the 41s is I convinced myself the would be perfect for how close I am. Then I heard their actual range with audyssey, and yuck.

Do you think the 20 hz difference would be noticeable with the RS-42s? I think I'd like to stick to RS because I like to wall mount. And they look good, even if in the location they lose some of their ability.

One last question I guess is, are the 42s worth it over the 41s.
That frequency range assumes 3 foot listening distance, and you are within that. You are going to set them at 80hz, and I can assure you that at 2 feet away and Audyseey calibrated you'll be fine with the RB41. If you want maximum dispersion go with the RS42.
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