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I was talking about RS41 not RB. RB41 is def not in the discussion. Technically the RS41 only goes down to 85 so I wouldn't want to set that at 80hz.

left is 2 feet but right is 7 feet away.

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Don't get caught up in driver size! Especially since you're playing near field and were talking surrounds! That said if you go with RB series bookshelves get a Pinpoint wall mount, and don't do flush mount. With the RS series bipoles, flush mount all you want. Again if you go with the RS series they need some room to breath, like a 2 foot radius. With your setup being so near field I'd do RB41s on pinpoint mounts.

CHHunter went for rear placement because he has no left wall (I'm guessing), otherwise side placement is ideal.
I do have a left wall but it was just to far away and that's a walkway to the front door. Just didn't seem right having a surround way over on the side. Someday a dedicated room will be in order. Until then we make due with what we have

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I was talking about RS41 not RB. RB41 is def not in the discussion. Technically the RS41 only goes down to 85 so I wouldn't want to set that at 80hz. I do want dispersion so I guess I will go with the 42s. I hope I am making the right choice.
I think your making the right choice but only you can decide. I think it'll sound fine. Trust me my room does not make my system shine to it's true capabilities and I'm just fine with that. Little tweaks and upgrades are baby steps. The other day my wife and I went out and got drapes for that 10 ft front window I have. Guess what it helped on the reflections and echo.

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haha, nice. Yes lots of soft surfaces sure seem to help. My room has many soft surfaces and it sounds really good to me.

Maybe I should carpet my walls.

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At pannels will help
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Yeah I am caught up in driver size. I even look at the frequency range. The reason I went with the 41s is I convinced myself the would be perfect for how close I am. Then I heard their actual range with audyssey, and yuck.

Do you think the 20 hz difference would be noticeable with the RS-42s? I think I'd like to stick to RS because I like to wall mount. And they look good, even if in the location they lose some of their ability.

One last question I guess is, are the 42s worth it over the 41s.

Due to the distance from you to the speakers being just 2 feet, I'd go with the RB 41 II, or the RS 41 II.


Why?


You're closer than the testing for frequency response is done. Also due to this proximity, you're not going to enjoy the full measure of a much larger speaker. You'll not miss out on any extension with the speaker crossed at 80 hz. Especially if you have at least a half decent sub. Don't worry about the test tone sound from Audyssey. At the end of the day we are talking about surrounds, test material and real world material is going to have far less relation than with mains and centers.


I might lean towards the RS 41 II, because it might behave slightly better with flush mounting and justify the added cost. It'll look better too.


I wouldn't do the RB 51 for anyone, not matter what, if it's flush mounted. It's also got a rear port with a lot of air coming out of it. You're also a bit too close, but we could alleviate that concern with a mount to point it off axis which also gives the rear port breathing room. Since you don't want to get mounts, this one is a non-starter.


I wouldn't do the RS 42 II because you're too close, and you have furniture that's too close. You also won't be enjoying the capabilities of this speaker, thus the added money you spend, because it's so close.
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pics of the area where they would be mounted may help too.
There is no other place than 2 ft from your ear to mount?

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I say if he is happy with his Polks as surrounds he should spend that money some other place, especially since he seems to be waiting to see how Atmos pans out...He mentioned budgeting earlier in the thread and with that in mind, I suggest he keeps what he has (since he's ecstatic already} and the money he is thinking on spending could be better spent at a latter time or for source material. My 2 cents.

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I measured where I sit. I under estimated. It's still pretty close. And I always have to turn the left SR down by about 3db to get a more "blended" sound. I am sitting 4-5 feet from the left wall and 6 feet from the right. The actual driver of the left speaker my left ear is about 4.5 feet from it. I think you are right CandT. Even at this distance I think going with the RS-41 is fine. I'd just been indecisive because I've been going through a lot of stress lately.

Here is the picture with the polk T-15s currently there. The left side is the one surrounded by couches and walls.
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]... I'd just been indecisive because I've been going through a lot of stress lately.

Here is the picture with the polk T-15s currently there. The left side is the one surrounded by couches and walls.
Keep the Poks and consider what I said earlier, especially if you tried the other speakers and didn't notice the detail you were looking for. Fwiw, there is not going to be a ton of difference in any of the speakers you are looking at, imo.
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Keep the Poks and consider what I said earlier, especially if you tried the other speakers and didn't notice the detail you were looking for. Fwiw, there is not going to be a ton of difference in any of the speakers you are looking at, imo.
I think you are right, thank you for that. The 1 night I did test the RS-41 the one thing I noticed over the polks. Is the sound definitely was more clear and I liked that. I'll give them a good week long test but I'll probably end up keeping them since I like having Klipsch horns all around. It wasn't a big investment.

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I think you are right, thank you for that. The 1 night I did test the RS-41 the one thing I noticed over the polks. Is the sound definitely was more clear and I liked that. I'll give them a good week long test but I'll probably end up keeping them since I like having Klipsch horns all around. It wasn't a big investment, I got them 35% off.
You be glad you did not return the RS-41 if you play music (timber match) with all speakers on. On some older TV shows before DD5.1 I have my AVR set to play ALL stereo and manually dial in the rears to balance with the fronts.
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You be glad you did not return the RS-41 if you play music (timber match) with all speakers on. On some older TV shows before DD5.1 I have my AVR set to play ALL stereo and manually dial in the rears to balance with the fronts.
Hey maybe I'll try that, thanks. I already think it's probably for the best for 5.1 home theater.

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RF 3 ii & center speaker recommendation

Hi All, I recently picked up a pair of mint RF 3 ii's for super cheap from a co-worker. I need a center that matches them for a small game room. I can't seem to locate a used RC 3 ii used so I've been looking at the RC 52 ii and the RC 42. Money no problem for either. Also, what's a good tweeter replacement due to the bright/scratchy sounding tweeters? I do love them otherwise! Thx as always! Bill
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Hi All, I recently picked up a pair of mint RF 3 ii's for super cheap from a co-worker. I need a center that matches them for a small game room. I can't seem to locate a used RC 3 ii used so I've been looking at the RC 52 ii and the RC 42. Money no problem for either. Also, what's a good tweeter replacement due to the bright/scratchy sounding tweeters? I do love them otherwise! Thx as always! Bill
If it was me I would look for a used RC-62 for a center or a RC-62II. And if your pre/pro has a room correction feature re-run it or manually adjust the tweeters in the Eq. and see if a bit less gain will tame them to your hearing .
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Hi All, I recently picked up a pair of mint RF 3 ii's for super cheap from a co-worker. I need a center that matches them for a small game room. I can't seem to locate a used RC 3 ii used so I've been looking at the RC 52 ii and the RC 42. Money no problem for either. Also, what's a good tweeter replacement due to the bright/scratchy sounding tweeters? I do love them otherwise! Thx as always! Bill
Congrats! There are a couple of RC3II's on ebay right now. Also try searchtempest.com for a CL search of surrounding areas
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Hi All, I recently picked up a pair of mint RF 3 ii's for super cheap from a co-worker. I need a center that matches them for a small game room. I can't seem to locate a used RC 3 ii used so I've been looking at the RC 52 ii and the RC 42. Money no problem for either. Also, what's a good tweeter replacement due to the bright/scratchy sounding tweeters? I do love them otherwise! Thx as always! Bill
Welcome to the club but if you picked up a mint pair of RF-3s they may sound bright, but shouldn't sound scratchy...That said, if they are working correctly then placement could be an issue and make sure you don't have them setup in a bright room (need to have carpet and possibly room treatment, natural or otherwise).

Insofar as replacing the tweeter--I haven't heard of one in the lower end models and if you don't like the sound you may consider reselling them and picking up a speaker package that you don't find "bright and scratchy."

If it no longer becomes an issue I would go with the larger center channel but again, if nothing is wrong with the RF-3s it's going to have a similar sonic signature--I have read that some people don't like the sound of horn tweeters, even more so in the lower-end models--Then again, one person hears "crisp and clear" while another hears what you describe and that is always been the case with Klipsch Speakers...

Of course some people prefer the "dull and muffled" sound of dome tweeters like a "blanket has been pulled over them" and folks on this thread don't own those. Good Luck although I don't feel like I was any help.

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{2nd Edit: You are getting some good advice above and there isn't any difference between the RC-3 and the RC-3II except the latter has Monster Cable wire on the inside}
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I can tell you that I have found my 62 II series bright many a time. People here can attest to it. What I've found is that you really have to work to get the most out of the Klipsch, but when you do it's perfect. Things required

- carpeting and lots of soft surfaces helps (as has been said)
- aiming the towers right at the center or atleast very close to the main listening position
- running room correctly software correctly. Meaning testing 6-9 spots in small area. Right at your MLP with each point 1 foot from each other.

Once I did all of this my sound was flawless.
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I can tell you that I have found my 62 II series bright many a time. People here can attest to it. What I've found is that you really have to work to get the most out of the Klipsch, but when you do it's perfect. Things required

- carpeting and lots of soft surfaces helps (as has been said)
- aiming the towers right at the center or atleast very close to the main listening position
- running room correctly software correctly. Meaning testing 6-9 spots in small area. Right at your MLP with each point 1 foot from each other.

Once I did all of this my sound was flawless.

- carpeting and lots of soft surfaces helps (as has been said)
YES. Curtains and bookshelves are also a big help


- aiming the towers right at the center or atleast very close to the main listening position


Actually it's best to aim them right at corresponding shoulders. ie. Right speaker aimed at right shoulder, or just outside of it. Also make sure your speakers are within a foot away from each other as either one is to you. For example. if you're MLP is 9 feet to each speaker, have the towers 8-9 feet away from each other. Two feet away from the wall minimum. Three is best but can be a challenge with space and WAF.


- running room correction software correctly. Meaning testing 6-9 spots in small area. Right at your MLP with each point 1 foot from each other.


Actually, that's not ideal, and the pattern isn't making best use of MLP listening. The best is to test in a Christian cross shaped pattern with the MLP at the intersection, your shoulders at each horizontal end and another behind you, like on the back of the couch. Then march in front of MLP in 3 inch increments, until you run out of testing positions. I actually made a wooden shaped cross to make this easier, and it helps ward off the occasional vampire.
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Just got a set of RF-82 II for the front, love them!!

http://youtu.be/knvNVm_bA1c?list=UUe...h8D93JJoOYZLlw
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Just got a set of RF-82 II for the front, love them!!

Why?

Yah'maha?

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Just got a set of RF-82 II for the front, love them!!

http://youtu.be/knvNVm_bA1c?list=UUe...h8D93JJoOYZLlw
Nice speakers, just let them played in lower volume for a little bit to break them down.
Congrats and enjoy !!!
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Don't worry they will RF -82II are a great choice!!! Can't wait what you will think about them.
The RF-82II sound great!! I don't have a lot of knowledge in the audio field so it's hard for me to explain but the sound just sounds more dynamic. Like I was watching Avatar and you could determine that the crowd roaring was far away from you yet the person in front of the camera felt literally 10 feet away. I played a few songs with nice vocals and it sounds like they're in the room with you! These definitely cannot compare to my Onkyo setup! Now on to saving for a sub and rear speakers!
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Nice speakers, just let them played in lower volume for a little bit to break them down.

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Why?

Yah'maha?

Enjoy!
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The RF-82II sound great!! I don't have a lot of knowledge in the audio field so it's hard for me to explain but the sound just sounds more dynamic. Like I was watching Avatar and you could determine that the crowd roaring was far away from you yet the person in front of the camera felt literally 10 feet away. I played a few songs with nice vocals and it sounds like they're in the room with you! These definitely cannot compare to my Onkyo setup! Now on to saving for a sub and rear speakers!
Yes RF-82II's sounds great for sure, are you going to add center channel also? I god mine RF line just 8 months ago and I love it!!! You have nice size room with big screen looks great.
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Yes RF-82II's sounds great for sure, are you going to add center channel also? I god mine RF line just 8 months ago and I love it!!! You have nice size room with big screen looks great.
Thank You! I'll probably add a center channel eventually but right now the 2 fronts sound great. I was thinking of first putting the money toward rears and a sub then eventually a center. Got any suggestions for a sub?
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Thank You! I'll probably add a center channel eventually but right now the 2 fronts sound great. I was thinking of first putting the money toward rears and a sub then eventually a center. Got any suggestions for a sub?
I had Klipsch 12 sub for a long time and now I have SVS subs (2xPC12-Pluses) and they are amazing much much better then Klipsch one. Check their web sites. You can try them for 45 days if you don't lie it you can send it back, both shipping ways are free. If you choice SVS subs only reason to send it back will be to get a better one I can promise you that!!!
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I think it is smart to play new speakers or sub in lower and different volume for a little bit before you start to play them very very loud.

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Thank You! I'll probably add a center channel eventually but right now the 2 fronts sound great. I was thinking of first putting the money toward rears and a sub then eventually a center. Got any suggestions for a sub?
I'd do the center first, but that's just me I guess. For HT purposes, most of your sound is discreet to the center channel. Have your front sound stage perfected before you concern yourself with surround.


As for sub, it depends first on what you want to spend, and also your room dims. Plan on spending over 500 bucks min for something to complement your RF 82 IIs.


The HSU VTF 2 Mk 4 is $600 shipped and would be a good starting point for what you are looking for.
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