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Thank You! I'll probably add a center channel eventually but right now the 2 fronts sound great. I was thinking of first putting the money toward rears and a sub then eventually a center. Got any suggestions for a sub?
I'd do the center first, but that's just me I guess. For HT purposes, most of your sound is discreet to the center channel. Have your front sound stage perfected before you concern yourself with surround.


As for sub, it depends first on what you want to spend, and also your room dims. Plan on spending over 500 bucks min for something to complement your RF 82 IIs.


The HSU VTF 2 Mk 4 is $600 shipped and would be a good starting point for what you are looking for.
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- carpeting and lots of soft surfaces helps (as has been said)
YES. Curtains and bookshelves are also a big help


- aiming the towers right at the center or atleast very close to the main listening position


Actually it's best to aim them right at corresponding shoulders. ie. Right speaker aimed at right shoulder, or just outside of it. Also make sure your speakers are within a foot away from each other as either one is to you. For example. if you're MLP is 9 feet to each speaker, have the towers 8-9 feet away from each other. Two feet away from the wall minimum. Three is best but can be a challenge with space and WAF.


- running room correction software correctly. Meaning testing 6-9 spots in small area. Right at your MLP with each point 1 foot from each other.


Actually, that's not ideal, and the pattern isn't making best use of MLP listening. The best is to test in a Christian cross shaped pattern with the MLP at the intersection, your shoulders at each horizontal end and another behind you, like on the back of the couch. Then march in front of MLP in 3 inch increments, until you run out of testing positions. I actually made a wooden shaped cross to make this easier, and it helps ward off the occasional vampire.
Thanks for the info, I agree with the fronts pointing at the edge/shoulders. But once I did the small area test area (my listening position is small and so close to the TV any way). I noticed a much better sound quality. I guess it can vary from room to room. All I can say is I used to test each actual seat and thought that was the way to do it but the side seats are far apart from the MLP. This is why I say to test it in a much smaller concentrated area. A more mathematical area like a square or rectangle.

See the reason the cross doesn't work for me is my center (straight from the TV) couches are against a wall. So the best option for me is to do 6 test patterns. With the 6 spots creating sort of like a rectangle. The reason I think it improved my sound is I no longer test AT the left couch, which is much more to the side. I think that was messing up the sound quality of my klipsch and why they sounded weird to me.

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Anyone have specific recommendations for rubber feet size, diameter, etc.? My bought-used KM4s just have spikes, and i want to change them out to rubber feet for the hardwoods.
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The RF-82II sound great!! I don't have a lot of knowledge in the audio field so it's hard for me to explain but the sound just sounds more dynamic. Like I was watching Avatar and you could determine that the crowd roaring was far away from you yet the person in front of the camera felt literally 10 feet away. I played a few songs with nice vocals and it sounds like they're in the room with you! These definitely cannot compare to my Onkyo setup! Now on to saving for a sub and rear speakers!
I had very similar feelings. It is hard to explain. Best I can do is clearer, fuller, and more pure. I have had a few movies where it sounded like the person was somewhere in the middle of the room. Like a "ghost". They can sound really good once you set them up properly. I've also listened to some music where the vocals are so clear that they are piercingly good. Gratz on your purchase, glad you like em.
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I get my actual RS-41 tonight. I can't wait to give them a full run through. I'll take a pic of them and give a fuller review after some testing.

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I think it is smart to play new speakers or sub in lower and different volume for a little bit before you start to play them very very loud.
Either here or on the Klipsch forum someone posted that at the recent Klipsch gathering the Klipsch engineers refuted the notion that break-in makes any difference. I'll try to find the link...

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Either here or on the Klipsch forum someone posted that at the recent Klipsch gathering the Klipsch engineers refuted the notion that break-in makes any difference. I'll try to find the link...
I once asked Roy (Engineer at Klipsch) about this. He told me when he tests a driver, he hooks it up, puts "X" volts into it (I forget), goes to lunch or waits 30 minutes and 'considers it done'.

Think about it.... (cynic in me)

If a driver takes 30 days to break in.... think of the poor engineer who designs it. He gets it....has to let it break in for 30 days (lest they not get accurate measurements). What if he doesn't like it.... he's got to try another driver, maybe wait another 30 days for it to break in? Have mercy on him if it sucks too....cause he's got to order another driver, wait yet another 30 days for it to give accurate results....

Not very efficient way to design something
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Ok guys i have heard a couple guys i know say that the new klipsch r-28f, sounds smoother and more refined than the rf-82, can anyone confirm this?
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I once asked Roy (Engineer at Klipsch) about this. He told me when he tests a driver, he hooks it up, puts "X" volts into it (I forget), goes to lunch or waits 30 minutes and 'considers it done'.

Think about it.... (cynic in me)

If a driver takes 30 days to break in.... think of the poor engineer who designs it. He gets it....has to let it break in for 30 days (lest they not get accurate measurements). What if he doesn't like it.... he's got to try another driver, maybe wait another 30 days for it to break in? Have mercy on him if it sucks too....cause he's got to order another driver, wait yet another 30 days for it to give accurate results....

Not very efficient way to design something
I would hope that in that case, you'd get a bunch of variant prototypes up front and compare the results so that you didn't waste quite as much time.
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Ok guys i have heard a couple guys i know say that the new klipsch r-28f, sounds smoother and more refined than the rf-82, can anyone confirm this?
An Al tweeter vs. a Ti tweeter??? I'd say the Ti would be brighter. I could be wrong.

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An Al tweeter vs. a Ti tweeter??? I'd say the Ti would be brighter. I could be wrong.
What's funny is the fact that I just read a review on the best buy site mention this also.....

"I auditioned the R-28F when I dropped by BB last week. I can confirm the point of the other reviewer that the new R-28F sounds smoother and pleasant to my ears than the RF-82 II, in my opinion. Despite both speakers use the same 1” compression driver; Klipsch has raised the crossover frequency of the R-28F from 1400hz of the RF-82 II to 1800hz. As a result, more of the mid frequency of the R-28F is now handled by the dual 8” woofers making it sound more balanced and smooth than the RF-82 II."

Anyway i'm gonna go down this weekend and give them a listen and report back myself.............
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Either here or on the Klipsch forum someone posted that at the recent Klipsch gathering the Klipsch engineers refuted the notion that break-in makes any difference. I'll try to find the link...
Oh ok I'm sure you are right I just read it somewhere long time ago about speakers not sure brand and I had it in my mind since then. Not talking weeks just few days lower and upper volume before hit it very hard. What it is with SVS you can hit it hard from first day but it will start sound even better after couple of weeks playing or something like this?

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So Klipsch has a new series? I didn't even know. Is it just a new version of the "reference" line?

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What's funny is the fact that I just read a review on the best buy site mention this also.....

"I auditioned the R-28F when I dropped by BB last week. I can confirm the point of the other reviewer that the new R-28F sounds smoother and pleasant to my ears than the RF-82 II, in my opinion. Despite both speakers use the same 1” compression driver; Klipsch has raised the crossover frequency of the R-28F from 1400hz of the RF-82 II to 1800hz. As a result, more of the mid frequency of the R-28F is now handled by the dual 8” woofers making it sound more balanced and smooth than the RF-82 II."

Anyway i'm gonna go down this weekend and give them a listen and report back myself.............
They don't use the same 1" driver. One is ti and the other is au. Totally different. And most would say the more horn the better. Meaning the lower xo point would normally be preferred. This new line is basically the synergy speaker colored to look like a reference.
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Oh ok I'm sure you are right I just read it somewhere long time ago about speakers not sure brand and I had it in my mind since then. Not talking weeks just few days lower and upper volume before hit it very hard. What it is with SVS you can hit it hard from first day but it will start sound even better after couple of weeks playing or something like this?
Its a new synergy line they are calling reference .

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So Klipsch has a new series? I didn't even know. Is it just a new version of the "reference" line?
Yes check Klipsch web , no more Synergy line now is new reference line and old reference line is now Reference II. Probably more to come soon will see maybe end of the year.

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What it is with SVS you can hit it hard from first day but it will start sound even better after couple of weeks playing or something like this?
It's very likely that the subwoofer's sound isn't changing but that your ears are becoming more attuned to the sound of the subwoofer.
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Hey guys I have 4x chorus II's and a center with velondyne sub... I'm thinking about getting some of those upward firing drivers for Atmos... anyone else thinking about doing the same? My one concern is matching the Chorus II's to something like the onkyo upward firing speakers... cuz those Chorus II's are soooo damn loud.
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They don't use the same 1" driver. One is ti and the other is au. Totally different. And most would say the more horn the better. Meaning the lower xo point would normally be preferred. This new line is basically the synergy speaker colored to look like a reference.

Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."

Now whether this is true or not, who know's but as a former owner of the synergy F3, i will know for sure if it's a big performance increase(smoother refined sound or not). I am also very familiar with the RF-82's. There seems to be some people(that have not heard them) saying there's no difference but colored woofers and there seems to be some people (that have heard them) saying it's a big difference sound quality wise......... that said, I will be solving this mystery saturday.
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Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."

Now whether this is true or not, who know's but as a former owner of the synergy F3, i will know for sure if it's a big performance increase(smoother refined sound or not). I am also very familiar with the RF-82's. There seems to be some people(that have not heard them) saying there's no difference but colored woofers and there seems to be some people (that have heard them) saying it's a big difference sound quality wise......... that said, I will be solving this mystery saturday.
I'm also former owner of F-3 and whole Synergy set. Now I'm owner od Reference II set and it is a nice step up for sure no question about it. Center is biggest step up follow with surrounds and towers. F-3 are great towers but RF-82II are as well and I have feeling they just play cleaner, whole system just sounds better.

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I once asked Roy (Engineer at Klipsch) about this. He told me when he tests a driver, he hooks it up, puts "X" volts into it (I forget), goes to lunch or waits 30 minutes and 'considers it done'.

Think about it.... (cynic in me)

If a driver takes 30 days to break in.... think of the poor engineer who designs it. He gets it....has to let it break in for 30 days (lest they not get accurate measurements). What if he doesn't like it.... he's got to try another driver, maybe wait another 30 days for it to break in? Have mercy on him if it sucks too....cause he's got to order another driver, wait yet another 30 days for it to give accurate results....

Not very efficient way to design something
Thanks for posting this Coytee--It confirms what I posted about what Jim Hunter told us and Trey Cannon confirmed (posted this again in the last day or two) yet folks want to keep whatever beliefs they have or relied on the internet--crazy man, crazy.

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What's funny is the fact that I just read a review on the best buy site mention this also.....

"I auditioned the R-28F when I dropped by BB last week. I can confirm the point of the other reviewer that the new R-28F sounds smoother and pleasant to my ears than the RF-82 II, in my opinion. Despite both speakers use the same 1” compression driver; Klipsch has raised the crossover frequency of the R-28F from 1400hz of the RF-82 II to 1800hz. As a result, more of the mid frequency of the R-28F is now handled by the dual 8” woofers making it sound more balanced and smooth than the RF-82 II."

Anyway i'm gonna go down this weekend and give them a listen and report back myself.............
They don't use the same 1" driver. One is ti and the other is au. Totally different. And most would say the more horn the better. Meaning the lower xo point would normally be preferred. This new line is basically the synergy speaker colored to look like a reference.
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pretentious reference II or heritage owners out there.It's like you guys come up with any bullcrap you can think of to rationalize your thousands of dollars spent on old models. Turns out, anybody who has ever built a crossover would know that the higher crossover freq the better. Quit talking out of your butt, maybe try getting out of the dang house and actually listen to the new series before you judge it.
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Uh.oh...The marketing of the new line has begun. The Klipsch Owners Thread is about to be taken over...
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Yes check Klipsch web , no more Synergy line now is new reference line and old reference line is now Reference II. Probably more to come soon will see maybe end of the year.
Ah ok so this is a new "lower" model? I'm interested when they release newer or better reference series. Reading the last few posts, this doesn't seem to be it. Thank you.

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