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If you will go back and re-read, then you will find I never compared the two. I said that the r-28f COMBINED with the r-12sw subwoofer was almost equivalent to a set of rf-7II's. Of course the r-28fs don't compare to either the reference 2 series or heritage series by themselves.
Sorry my mistake ,Oh with a sub it can be possible but if you are RF-7II customer you are not looking for sub like R-28fs but better one so on the end you spend more $$$ but your HT system reach next level.

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I did not and I will becouse it is not possible to mix it up apples and bananas. I just don't beleive even if Klipsch will put up such a amazing entry level speakers they will completly baried all Reference II lines. If you will ask all people here if they can choice RF-7II and R-28F guess who will be a winner. I'm more then sure RF-7II just sounds better even without any detail testing!!! r28-F are best buy speakers so you talking avarage just right there!!!!
One symple think on the end why R-28-F $449 and RF-7II $1600?
The speakers he compared them to(with sub) cost more than the RF-7's and he stated they were comparable...........so i'm not quite sure what you are getting at about mentioning the price?
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All of this is indeed incredible news--Once this hits the Klipsch Forum there will be deals in the Garage Section for all kind ok Klipsch Speakers at bargain basement prices! Where are these speakers: http://www.klipsch.com/R-28F/details going on sale for $449 each?

EDIT: I too haven't heard the RF-7II: http://www.klipsch.com/rf-7-ii-floor...peaker/details but if this is true, for less than a pair of RF-7IIs you could purchase a complete 5.1 Home Theater using towers all the way around with subwoofer and have at least as good of sound as a similar, larger Heritage System at a fraction of the cost!

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If you will go back and re-read, then you will find I never compared the two. I said that the r-28f COMBINED with the r-12sw subwoofer was almost equivalent to a set of rf-7II's. Of course the r-28fs don't compare to either the reference 2 series or heritage series by themselves.
Sorry my mistake ,Oh with a sub it can be possible but if you are RF-7II customer you are not looking for sub like R-28fs but better one so on the end you spend more $$$ but your HT system reach next level.
All I'm saying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set of rf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about $1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That's pretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audio components
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All I'm saying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set of rf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about $1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That's pretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audio components
I did not said it is a bad set but still Rf-7II 1.75" tweeter compare 1" ? Really? I guess we can compare R-28F somewhere around RF-62II thats all don't go any higher then that. If you put sub with R-28F then can maybe sound simular but still you missing almost double size of tweeter and as I said people who is looking for RF-7II they are not looking for Klipsch entry level sub ( at least a lot of them) so on the end with better subs let's say like SVS no compare those sets at all!!!

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I did not said it is a bad set but still Rf-7II 1.75" tweeter compare 1" ? Really? I guess we can compaere R-28F somewhere around RF-62II thats all don't go any higher then that. Of you capunt sub as plus for R-28F when can sound simular but still you missing almost double size of tweeter. and as I said people who os looking for RF-7II they are not looking for Klipsch entry level sub ( at least a lot of them) so on the end with better subs let's say like SVS no compare those sets at all!!!
Again I mean no disrespect, but man I can't see how you argue/debate someone about the 28's performance and you haven't heard the new speakers indepth?

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All I'm saying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set of rf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about $1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That's pretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audio components
I did not said it is a bad set but still Rf-7II 1.75" tweeter compare 1" ? Really? I guess we can compaere R-28F somewhere around RF-62II thats all don't go any higher then that. Of you capunt sub as plus for R-28F when can sound simular but still you missing almost double size of tweeter. and as I said people who os looking for RF-7II they are not looking for Klipsch entry level sub ( at least a lot of them) so on the end with better subs let's say like SVS no compare those sets at all!!!
What point are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate the physical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality. You speak of rf-7II customers as if this thread is only catered to them. Last I checked, this is a forum for klipsch enthusiasts in general. And if I can buy a tower/sub combo that gives it's elite tower cousins a run for their money at the tune of less than half, then that's pretty noteworthy. I mean I could go buy a bunch of gorgeous hard woods and 20k worth of speakers and crossover components and build a la scala replica that would blow your house up but that's not the point. I'm just giving some info for the klipsch lovers without deep pockets who enjoy music over ht.
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I wanted to get the word out and saw nothing of this on the Klipsch Forum so I posted this to get the word out:

https://community.klipsch.com/index....9#entry1769633

Thanks for the Heads-up!
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What point are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate the physical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality. You speak of rf-7II customers as if this thread is only catered to them. Last I checked, this is a forum for klipsch enthusiasts in general. And if I can buy a tower/sub combo that gives it's elite tower cousins a run for their money at the tune of less than half, then that's pretty noteworthy. I mean I could go buy a bunch of gorgeous hard woods and 20k worth of speakers and crossover components and build a la scala replica that would blow your house up but that's not the point. I'm just giving some info for the klipsch lovers without deep pockets who enjoy music over ht.
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^^^ Good idea, ZT!!!

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What point are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate the physical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality....
Uh-oh....All of the speakers you've mentioned so far are either 3-way and/or do have larger compression drivers than the R-28F's 1" in a 2 way design, and if the latter sounds as good that really IS a large step in speaker design.
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What point are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate the physical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality....
Uh-oh....All of the speakers you've mentioned so far are either 3-way and/or do have larger compression drivers than the R-28F's 1" in a 2 way design, and if the latter sounds as good that really IS a large step in speaker design.
Yes they have made some key advances in my opinion, but let me be clear there are still subtle differences. They are still not quite as good, but pretty darn close. And a heck of a lot closer than the icon or synergy series got. The differences are especially noticed @ or above small concert levels (90dbs or greater).....and most people don't listen to music at that level in their home anyways.
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Yes they have made some key advances in my opinion, but let me be clear there are still subtle differences. They are still not quite as good, but pretty darn close. And a heck of a lot closer than the icon or synergy series got. The differences are especially noticed @ or above small concert levels (90dbs or greater).....and most people don't listen to music at that level in their home anyways.
I have no desire to compare the Icon or Synergy line, but actually do listen to multichannel music quite loud and have posted my impressions here and on the Klipsch Forum...In fact, before I started posting tonight listened to several Talking Heads DVD-As at -12 on my Denon AVR-4311ci which gave me levels over 90 dB on my Rat meter and if what you are saying is true compared to RF-7IIs and upperend Heritage it would be interesting to me...I'm excited and can't wait for the audition.

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I just listened to some of my favorite Talking Heads songs on DVD-A and was wondering if anyone who has Audyssey (or any other setup method) would post how loud they listen to any of these songs on either the Main Volume or SPL Meter:

I have found between -10 to 12 perfect to achieve an (approx) 80 to 94 dB average and high:

Burning down the House (extended version: My ultimate showing off my system/take to other places disk.
Houses in Motion (The loudest and second favorite of songs tested at 94 dB peaks)
Once in a Lifetime, Listening Wind, Mommy Daddy You and I, Big Daddy, Sax and Violins, along with Take me to the River, were the ones I listened to this evening.

That said, if you have your favorite songs on any of these disks please post those numbers as well.

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I have owned a few pairs of rf-7II's and there is virtually almost no difference between them and the r-28f with the r-12sw added. That's pretty awesome for half the price on average, pretty much giving up 4 10"s for 4 8"s and a 12" sub.
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Well he stated he did back to back comparisons with the K horns and La scalas and said it was almost no difference, those speakers cost more than the rf 7's and they are serious performers. He posted impressions to back up his thoughts, no disrespect man, but have you done a in depth evaluation of the new 28's? If not, how can you disagree?
As good as LS, Khorns and rf-7ii? Hmm sounds like a klipsch salesman

Its like looking at a car and knowing its limits without even driving it. Same thing.

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Yes they have made some key advances in my opinion, but let me be clear there are still subtle differences. They are still not quite as good, but pretty darn close. And a heck of a lot closer than the icon or synergy series got. The differences are especially noticed @ or above small concert levels (90dbs or greater).....and most people don't listen to music at that level in their home anyways.
You have 6 posts and joined here a few days ago. All you have posted on this forum so far is a bad sale pitch imo. I own none of the speakers you are comparing but have owned a ton of klipsch in a lot of different of lines (including all the lines you are comparing). The speakers your talking about are worlds apart. They are synergy painted to look like reference. Its pretty easy to see this. Plus they are best buy speakers and I have heard pretty much all of the stuff made for best buy. All of them are the lowest worst sounding models klipsch has ever made.
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I have owned a few pairs of rf-7II's and there is virtually almost no difference between them and the r-28f with the r-12sw added. That's pretty awesome for half the price on average, pretty much giving up 4 10"s for 4 8"s and a 12" sub.
No difference? What did you use to drive your 7's? What kind of music source were you listening to?
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All I'm saying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set of rf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about $1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That's pretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audio components
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Jarrod, honestly there are several ways you could go and I still think the best-bang-for-your buck is going to be in the local used market where you could check them out...That said and insofar as surrounds go I would find something comparable or larger than the RS-3s. RS-7s would be nice, an upgrade but probably not easy to find and possibly the RS-62.

Another alternative and not knowing your room is to find a smaller pair of Floorstanding speakers--I use the RF-3s as side surrounds with RF-7s and prefer them to the RS series in a 7.1 configuration. Anyway, I am sure others will have some good ideas as well.
Thanks all. Time to start looking and seeing what is out there. Would the rs 42's be considered and upgrade?
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Thanks all. Time to start looking and seeing what is out there. Would the rs 42's be considered and upgrade?
Now we are getting to the point I don't feel comfortable spending your money. Without knowing your expectations, the RS-42s may be an upgrade but truthfully I would go larger given what speakers you have up front. I realize the fad now is purchasing online and you may be able to get a better price but that said, my two recommendations are: 1) If you find a good price online see if your local store can match it along with a no-fee return policy if they aren't what you expect, or 2) See if there are RS-62s, 52s or even RS-7s in your local market for as cheap or cheaper...

My thinking is that these (RS-line) speakers have limited use whereas bookshelf or towers can be used for anything from a 2 channel setup, mains, or anywhere else in a home theater setup (so the former could be found at better prices in the used market or a local establishment may be able to price-match what you find online).

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As good as LS, Khorns and rf-7ii? Hmm sounds like a klipsch salesman...

Its like looking at a car and knowing its limits without even driving it. Same thing.
I'm not sure of this analogy but are you saying I'm NOT going to be able to pick up K-horns, Lascalas and RF-7IIs on ebay for cheap when owners liquidate their old speakers and purchase the new?

Just kidding but OT praise aside, this very well could become the "Klipsch Bashing Thread," when their new lines come out and that could be uncomfortable for the AVS Forum and their sponsors...I've followed Klipsch for quite some time and will say with the internet, internet-direct, and steep competition, speakers in this price range aren't going to be "upgrades" to previous models but should still be a good bang-for-your buck at the various price points...

Then again, I could be wrong and there could be improvement all of the way down the line and if we want Klipsch to remain a viable company not prejudge comparable models, although I have no problem folks exposing information that doesn't ring true. After all, we all know that the original RF-7s are better than those crappy ol' RF-7IIs.

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Well he stated he did back to back comparisons with the K horns and La scalas and said it was almost no difference, those speakers cost more than the rf 7's and they are serious performers. He posted impressions to back up his thoughts, no disrespect man, but have you done a in depth evaluation of the new 28's? If not, how can you disagree?
The only real difference between the Khorn and La Scala is the bass response. The tweeter and mid horn are the same.

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I did not said it is a bad set but still Rf-7II 1.75" tweeter compare 1" ? Really? I guess we can compaere R-28F somewhere around RF-62II thats all don't go any higher then that. Of you capunt sub as plus for R-28F when can sound simular but still you missing almost double size of tweeter. and as I said people who os looking for RF-7II they are not looking for Klipsch entry level sub ( at least a lot of them) so on the end with better subs let's say like SVS no compare those sets at all!!!
Dont forget 8" horn compared to 6", also 90x60 compared to 90x90. The r28f is a different coloured icon KF28, they have the same aluminium drivers, same img woofers, same 90x90 horn, same port and same xover. Has anyone compared the KF28 to the synergy F30, as they are comparable speakers with only the horn dispersion pattern showing as any major difference. I wonder why they changed the horn dispersion?? I liked my old F30s and will go as far to say they came close to my RF82iis. Comparing them to RF7iis, I dont think so.
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Dont forget 8" horn compared to 6", also 90x60 compared to 90x90. The r28f is a different coloured icon KF28, they have the same aluminium drivers, same img woofers, same 90x90 horn, same port and same xover. Has anyone compared the KF28 to the synergy F30, as they are comparable speakers with only the horn dispersion pattern showing as any major difference. I wonder why they changed the horn dispersion?? I liked my old F30s and will go as far to say they came close to my RF82iis. Comparing them to RF7iis, I dont think so.
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The only real difference between the Khorn and La Scala is the bass response. The tweeter and mid horn are the same.
...and the difference between either one of those speakers and the R-28F is going to be night and day.

Of course there is a major price difference and the reason Heritage speakers are such a good deal in the used market is because they have been making them (some models) for 60 years so there is a considerable number of them available and their large footprint isn't conducive for most peoples requirements, especially for Home Theater.

{EDIT: Before someone points it out--The K-horns are supposed to fit snug in corners so they may be able to counter the "footprint" situation but then you would want to get an appropriate center channel and surrounds}

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So for those in the know...I am thinking of upgrading my receiver (denon 2113) to an x4000. There is a great deal on an open-box in the best buy near me. I had been planning on this move for a while but now that this one is available, I am thinking of jumping on it.

Initially I was going for a sub first, but I do want this receiver due to the better EQ, multi sub output and subEQ. Also, of course, more power (not a necessity but a nice bonus (driving rf-82, rc-62, rs-52 + rw-12d).

Thoughts? The receiver in question is in pristine condition and comes with full warranty. Besides the sub, I think the receiver is the weakest link in the chain. Basically I want a receiver to last me several years until 4k projectors are at reasonable prices (likely 4-5 years).

Are the benefits of the upgrade worthwhile? The x4000 seems to have very good reviews. Thanks!

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What point are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate the physical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality. You speak of rf-7II customers as if this thread is only catered to them. Last I checked, this is a forum for klipsch enthusiasts in general. And if I can buy a tower/sub combo that gives it's elite tower cousins a run for their money at the tune of less than half, then that's pretty noteworthy. I mean I could go buy a bunch of gorgeous hard woods and 20k worth of speakers and crossover components and build a la scala replica that would blow your house up but that's not the point. I'm just giving some info for the klipsch lovers without deep pockets who enjoy music over ht.



“All I'msaying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set ofrf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about$1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That'spretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audiocomponents.”


First things first, the subwoofer mentioned, the R-12sw, for a serious music listener, would not be acceptable. No serious music listener would own it, or admit to owning it. It has a very narrow, non-flattened bass response. A pair of RF 7 IIs wouldn't have this issue. Clearly you’re adding up stats on the Klipsch site and reaching a conclusion to fit your argument. In other words, what you meant by ‘on par’ is the conclusion you reached when adding up these features. “oh it goes to the same frequency! It must be ‘just as good.’" Again people who ‘mainly enjoy music,’ would never choose the Ref I set over a pair of RF-7 IIs if they had the budget for thelater. It’s so obvious you’re making up things as you go along, that you should feel embarrassed. You're only showing us that you've never owned a pair of RF 7 IIs, or you're lying that you had, or you're deaf.


“Whatpoint are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate thephysical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality.”


Actually it can, and it this case it does. Klipsch didn’t make it bigger for nothing.


“Youspeak of rf-7II customers as if this thread is only catered to them. Last Ichecked, this is a forum for klipsch enthusiasts in general.”


Correct, it’s for all Klipsch owners, but it’s not a depository for BS claims, like this…


“And if I can buy a tower/sub combo that gives it's elite tower cousins a run for theirmoney at the tune of less than half, then that's pretty noteworthy.”


“I meanI could go buy a bunch of gorgeous hard woods and 20k worth of speakers andcrossover components and build a la scala replica that would blow your house upbut that's not the point.”


Actually the La Scala is made with MDF (better acoustics than hard wood) with furniture grade veneer. Also have you ever actually built a speaker? You make it sound so easy, please, show us how it’s done. You might not want to use hard woods though.


“I'm just giving some info for the klipsch lovers without deep pockets who enjoymusic over ht.”


Actually what you’re doing is lying to them
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So for those in the know...I am thinking of upgrading my receiver (denon 2113) to an x4000. There is a great deal on an open-box in the best buy near me. I had been planning on this move for a while but now that this one is available, I am thinking of jumping on it.

Initially I was going for a sub first, but I do want this receiver due to the better EQ, multi sub output and subEQ. Also, of course, more power (not a necessity but a nice bonus (driving rf-82, rc-62, rs-52 + rw-12d).

Thoughts? The receiver in question is in pristine condition and comes with full warranty. Besides the sub, I think the receiver is the weakest link in the chain. Basically I want a receiver to last me several years until 4k projectors are at reasonable prices (likely 4-5 years).

Are the benefits of the upgrade worthwhile? The x4000 seems to have very good reviews. Thanks!
X4000 is amazing AVR and it is a big step uo from what you have now. Audyssey XT32 is very nice future + Sub EQ HT provides individual calibration for dual subwoofers, for even bass response throughout the room.

You will enjoy it for sure, I have same set up speakers as you and I have Denon X4000. I had before Denon AVR 3803 and it was a huge step up. What is great price on open box? X4000 have one of the best reviews and there is reasons why!!!!!
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X4000 is amazing AVR and it is a big step uo from what you have now. Audyssey XT32 is very nice future + Sub EQ HT provides individual calibration for dual subwoofers, for even bass response throughout the room.

You will enjoy it for sure, I have same set up speakers as you and I have Denon X4000. I had before Denon AVR 3803 and it was a huge step up. What is great price on open box? X4000 have one of the best reviews and there is reasons why!!!!!
Thanks! I just got an offer of $200 for my 2113 so I may just go for it (though I think that's a little low).

The x4000 is for a little more than $800. They had one a couple of months ago too, but it was a little beat up so I passed.

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