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Thanks! I just got an offer of $200 for my 2113 so I may just go for it (though I think that's a little low).

The x4000 is for a little more than $800. They had one a couple of months ago too, but it was a little beat up so I passed.
I sold mine for $190 Denon 3803.
I think it is not a bad price for it if they will give you full 3 years warranty on it.
You will be very happy with X4000, many nice futures. Audyssey and Sub EQ is amazing to have, later on who knows maybe you will add second sub . I will be not worry about 4K now and X4000 will pass some 4K video signal and later on if you will be ready for full 4K just add 4k player and 4K TV and you can still enjoy X4000.

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It's good if you like the new line of mid range speakers. But they are in no way going to compare to the clarity and fullness of the top of the line reference II series.

I think what you have is a combination of confirmation bias and maybe a little bit of a "beginner's ear". Don't take that as a mockery, I'm mostly a beginner. I do not have an advanced ear. But I do know there are subtle things to look for like clarity, fullness, dynamics.
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I sold mine for $190 Denon 3803.
I think it is not a bad price for it if they will give you full 3 years warranty on it.
You will be very happy with X4000, many nice futures. Audyssey and Sub EQ is amazing to have, later on who knows maybe you will add second sub . I will be not worry about 4K now and X4000 will pass some 4K video signal and later on if you will be ready for full 4K just add 4k player and 4K TV and you can still enjoy X4000.
Yeah I totally agree. It has the full 3 year warranty and comes with original packaging and everything.

I bought my 2113 for $300 so if I sell it for $240 or so I'd be happy with that. Hopefully this sale goes through and I'll update about my new receiver soon!

Oh yeah - the plan should be for 2 subs eventually...if I can find a way to fit them.

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Yeah I totally agree. It has the full 3 year warranty and comes with original packaging and everything.

I bought my 2113 for $300 so if I sell it for $240 or so I'd be happy with that. Hopefully this sale goes through and I'll update about my new receiver soon!

Oh yeah - the plan should be for 2 subs eventually...if I can find a way to fit them.
Sounds good, well let me know if you get it. really you will love it I can promise you that. Good luck with sale.

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are you talking about the x4000? Yeah I can second that. Hey I only bought mine while my current one was being repaired for a week. The problem was, I loved the x4000 so much I couldn't go back. The room and sub correction software is so good. It made my sound system sound twice as expensive.
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I forgot I need to update my sound system signature to include the RS-41 now.

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are you talking about the x4000? Yeah I can second that. Hey I only bought mine while my current one was being repaired for a week. The problem was, I loved the x4000 so much I couldn't go back. The room and sub correction software is so good. It made my sound system sound twice as expensive.
Yes X4000 is really a very nice AVR!!!!!

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I forgot I need to update my sound system signature to include the RS-41 now.
Your signature looks now so much better !!!! Congrats great to know you love it!!!!

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Your signature looks now so much better !!!! Congrats great to know you love it!!!!
Yep thanks! Pretty much the only thing to change is maybe some day dual PB2000 or hopefully PC2000 if they make them!

Then my transformation to the dark SIYYYDE will be complete!

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Now we are getting to the point I don't feel comfortable spending your money. Without knowing your expectations, the RS-42s may be an upgrade but truthfully I would go larger given what speakers you have up front. I realize the fad now is purchasing online and you may be able to get a better price but that said, my two recommendations are: 1) If you find a good price online see if your local store can match it along with a no-fee return policy if they aren't what you expect, or 2) See if there are RS-62s, 52s or even RS-7s in your local market for as cheap or cheaper...

My thinking is that these (RS-line) speakers have limited use whereas bookshelf or towers can be used for anything from a 2 channel setup, mains, or anywhere else in a home theater setup (so the former could be found at better prices in the used market or a local establishment may be able to price-match what you find online).
Thanks. My only expectations are to have matching surrounds that would be an upgrade to what I have. I wish I could have floor standing for the rears, but I don't have the space so my only option is to hang them on the wall.
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Jarrod what are you front speakers and current surrounds? I am in the same situation where I mount mine on the wall. Maybe I can be of help, curious what you'd be subbing them for and what fronts they go with?

Also how big is the room and how far from the rears do you sit?

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I did not said it is a bad set but still Rf-7II 1.75" tweeter compare 1" ? Really? I guess we can compare R-28F somewhere around RF-62II thats all don't go any higher then that. If you put sub with R-28F then can maybe sound simular but still you missing almost double size of tweeter and as I said people who is looking for RF-7II they are not looking for Klipsch entry level sub ( at least a lot of them) so on the end with better subs let's say like SVS no compare those sets at all!!!
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You have 6 posts and joined here a few days ago. All you have posted on this forum so far is a bad sale pitch imo. I own none of the speakers you are comparing but have owned a ton of klipsch in a lot of different of lines (including all the lines you are comparing). The speakers your talking about are worlds apart. They are synergy painted to look like reference. Its pretty easy to see this. Plus they are best buy speakers and I have heard pretty much all of the stuff made for best buy. All of them are the lowest worst sounding models klipsch has ever made.
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“All I'msaying is that the r-28f combined with the r-12sw is on par with a set ofrf-7II's or an older generation heritage series. Take into account that's about$1500 after tax for the new combo and about $3200 for a pair of rf-7's. That'spretty good savings for people who enjoy mainly music out of their audiocomponents.”


First things first, the subwoofer mentioned, the R-12sw, for a serious music listener, would not be acceptable. No serious music listener would own it, or admit to owning it. It has a very narrow, non-flattened bass response. A pair of RF 7 IIs wouldn't have this issue. Clearly you’re adding up stats on the Klipsch site and reaching a conclusion to fit your argument. In other words, what you meant by ‘on par’ is the conclusion you reached when adding up these features. “oh it goes to the same frequency! It must be ‘just as good.’" Again people who ‘mainly enjoy music,’ would never choose the Ref I set over a pair of RF-7 IIs if they had the budget for thelater. It’s so obvious you’re making up things as you go along, that you should feel embarrassed. You're only showing us that you've never owned a pair of RF 7 IIs, or you're lying that you had, or you're deaf.


“Whatpoint are you trying to make? The size of the tweeter does not dictate thephysical/acoustic capability or it's dynamic quality.”


Actually it can, and it this case it does. Klipsch didn’t make it bigger for nothing.


“Youspeak of rf-7II customers as if this thread is only catered to them. Last Ichecked, this is a forum for klipsch enthusiasts in general.”


Correct, it’s for all Klipsch owners, but it’s not a depository for BS claims, like this…


“And if I can buy a tower/sub combo that gives it's elite tower cousins a run for theirmoney at the tune of less than half, then that's pretty noteworthy.”


“I meanI could go buy a bunch of gorgeous hard woods and 20k worth of speakers andcrossover components and build a la scala replica that would blow your house upbut that's not the point.”


Actually the La Scala is made with MDF (better acoustics than hard wood) with furniture grade veneer. Also have you ever actually built a speaker? You make it sound so easy, please, show us how it’s done. You might not want to use hard woods though.


“I'm just giving some info for the klipsch lovers without deep pockets who enjoymusic over ht.”


Actually what you’re doing is lying to them
Just want to start by saying I mean no disrespect to you guys.

All I would like to say is this subject has without question struck a nerve in this thread, to be perfectly honest, I'm borderline offended at the attack toward new users in this thread and even myself after I asked and then went myself to audition the speakers. It seems anyone that has a different opinion from you guys must be crazy and not know what they are talking about. What's funny is not one of you guys have any real indepth experience with this speaker. So it's really an assumption arguement. From the overall tone of retro using all caps in his response to someone else making a sarcasm post on the klipsch forum.....I mean i'm really out done here guys. I never experienced this type of push back in any other avsforum thread. I'm done with discussing this speaker until i get them on BF and then maybe I will post a review with indepth analysis for the other users that actually care.
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I care. I want to hear an in depth review. I think people can get a little too aggressive. that's because they know a speaker they spent $1500 is better than a $500 speaker. They are pretty much always right. But that doesn't give them an excuse to be rude.

I'm very interested in how their new entry line sounds. not that I'm going to replace my Reference Series II or anything. Cause I won't.

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The M1,

How do you know they are gonna be On Sale on BF?
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The M1,

How do you know they are gonna be On Sale on BF?
Inside track info. In addition to that every black friday the best buy store(non magnolia) klipsch speakers have always been half off.........
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Yes, did notice that, in years past.
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Yes, did notice that, in years past.
This speaker for $450 a pair(based on what i demoed) is going to be the speaker deal to end all deals........
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The problem is someone with no history or credibility comes on here gushing about how a product with old and inferior technology but a refreshed appearance is better than a top of the line product with better hardware.
I saw them in bb and they looked nice on the outside due to the new box, but the tweeter was small and the woofers looked no better than rf82, at best. And they use a 5.25 inch woofer for the center which makes no sense and most likely can't keep up.

We know the hardware that is involved and no one without serious credibility and credentials is going to sway our opinion.
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Jarrod what are you front speakers and current surrounds? I am in the same situation where I mount mine on the wall. Maybe I can be of help, curious what you'd be subbing them for and what fronts they go with?

Also how big is the room and how far from the rears do you sit?
My front speakers are epic cf 3's with upgraded crossovers, a cl7 for the center, kg 1.5 for heights, rs3's and ksf f5's for surrounds. The room is approximately 14x18. I'm also running a klipsch and mk for subs.
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Just want to start by saying I mean no disrespect to you guys.

All I would like to say is this subject has without question struck a nerve in this thread, to be perfectly honest, I'm borderline offended at the attack toward new users in this thread and even myself after I asked and then went myself to audition the speakers. It seems anyone that has a different opinion from you guys must be crazy and not know what they are talking about. What's funny is not one of you guys have any real indepth experience with this speaker...
I am only speaking for myself--The OP you referred to gave observations that didn't ring true to me and I wanted to post on the Klipsch forum to expose what he was saying didn't seem legit with others who also have experience with Klipsch speakers--Comparing the R-28F to even older Heritage and the newer RF-7IIs and saying that with a bottom end subwoofer they sound comparable is beyond belief when you look at the technology involved...

I am sorry you were offended but if you ever hear the speakers in question, you too will realize that a speaker with a 1" compression driver mated to 2 8" LF drivers can't compete with the designs he said were (near) equivalent--They aren't and when I posted his comments on the Klipsch forum even their company spokesman concurred that it was OT commentary...Notice when he addressed my post he stopped talking about Heritage and RF-7IIs and said he was saying they were better than Synergy and Icon, which they may very well be but I guarantee if you listen to music above the 90 dB threshold (that he mentioned) the R-28Fs won't hold a candle to those he was comparing them to.

Go back to his first post when not only was he giving his credentials for trusting his judgment, he went on to include others that seemed over the top discussing a speaker being sold at Best buy and everyone concurring the same conclusion--If what he said is true then he will definitely have the last laugh and Paul Klipsch will be turning over in his grave.

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This speaker for $450 a pair(based on what i demoed) is going to be the speaker deal to end all deals........
Honestly, if they are already half off and just being introduced that should tell you something...Fwiw, that's not to say they aren't a good deal for that price (I don't know) but if that's the case it is more than likely what they are worth--enjoy! {Note: $450 for a pair of new Mains IS a good deal if you like the way they sound.}

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Just want to start by saying I mean no disrespect to you guys.

All I would like to say is this subject has without question struck a nerve in this thread, to be perfectly honest, I'm borderline offended at the attack toward new users in this thread and even myself after I asked and then went myself to audition the speakers. It seems anyone that has a different opinion from you guys must be crazy and not know what they are talking about. What's funny is not one of you guys have any real indepth experience with this speaker. So it's really an assumption arguement. From the overall tone of retro using all caps in his response to someone else making a sarcasm post on the klipsch forum.....I mean i'm really out done here guys. I never experienced this type of push back in any other avsforum thread. I'm done with discussing this speaker until i get them on BF and then maybe I will post a review with indepth analysis for the other users that actually care.
I'm not a disrespect to anybody here. This forum was and still is very helpful to me and I'm still learning here everyday!!!! Nothing to do if you are new here or not I just don't believe what Dmcrisp27 said about R-28F and RF-7II. If Someone else person who is in forum 10 years said something like Dmcrisp27 I will say something so it is nothing personal at all!!!!
I just don't think those 2 speakers are any close it is all what I'm going say about it. Compare them with RF-62II or maybe RF-82II then maybe but really not to RF-7II. I just think RF-7II are a different league and you can see it also on MSRP price and there must be a reason why it is like this. Maybe when Dmcrisp27 had chance to listen RF-7II they was not proper set up or calibrated I don't know.
I'm always trying to help people like others here helped me!!!!
If you can't not handle if someone doesnt always 100% agree with you then I don't how to help.
This is why we have this forum, talking, agree and disagree on different things.
Many times I said here something what people disagree with me so they correct me and it doesnt mean they are disrespectful to me and I'm not disrespectful to them.

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This speaker for $450 a pair(based on what i demoed) is going to be the speaker deal to end all deals........
If prices on BF will be half off many people will have nice set of speakers for their HT rooms or livingrooms. You will be probably able to get 5 speakers for less then $1000 and that will be very nice. F-3 with new R-28F is something what I think will be fair to compare it. I had before for 6 or 7 years Synergy line from HHgreg ( F-3, C-2, S-2) with Klipsch 12"sub and I was very happy with it for a long time!!! I was thinking there is no better system!!!! Then I come across this AVS web and start learning about Reference line and sold all and bought all Reference II and realy I can tell because I owned or still own there is a very big different and I'm glad and happy I had a chance to change it.
F-3 and RF-82II are close to each other but still I like sound better from RF-82II. Center channel C-2 and RC-62II it is like a day and night different, almost same feeling about surrounds S-2 and RS-52II. Subs differents before Klipsch 12 Synergy and now SVS sub it is another Day and night.

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My front speakers are epic cf 3's with upgraded crossovers, a cl7 for the center, kg 1.5 for heights, rs3's and ksf f5's for surrounds. The room is approximately 14x18. I'm also running a klipsch and mk for subs.
If Klipsch is what you were after then I'd say RS-51s or perhaps RB-61. I have 41s but my room is 13x11 and I am right on the back wall, near my surrounds.

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Anyone here have opinions on the RB81s and value of them used? Are they better than polk rti8?
I currently have a 5.1 polk system and want to upgrade and go for quality over quantity.
I am considering rb81s, 61s, rf5s, rc62, rc64. etc.
Is 500 for almost new rb81s a good buy? I know its a fair price but I dont want to pay for the brand and the appearance.
With that being said, I do love the look haha and they would have very high WAF at my house I believe....
Let me know!
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This speaker for $450 a pair(based on what i demoed) is going to be the speaker deal to end all deals........
Not bad, at all...

Check Craig's List...Pre-Listened Klipsch can be a Steal...
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The problem is someone with no history or credibility comes on here gushing about how a product with old and inferior technology but a refreshed appearance is better than a top of the line product with better hardware.
I saw them in bb and they looked nice on the outside due to the new box, but the tweeter was small and the woofers looked no better than rf82, at best. And they use a 5.25 inch woofer for the center which makes no sense and most likely can't keep up.

We know the hardware that is involved and no one without serious credibility and credentials is going to sway our opinion.
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I am only speaking for myself--The OP you referred to gave observations that didn't ring true to me and I wanted to post on the Klipsch forum to expose what he was saying didn't seem legit with others who also have experience with Klipsch speakers--Comparing the R-28F to even older Heritage and the newer RF-7IIs and saying that with a bottom end subwoofer they sound comparable is beyond belief when you look at the technology involved...

I am sorry you were offended but if you ever hear the speakers in question, you too will realize that a speaker with a 1" compression driver mated to 2 8" LF drivers can't compete with the designs he said were (near) equivalent--They aren't and when I posted his comments on the Klipsch forum even their company spokesman concurred that it was OT commentary...Notice when he addressed my post he stopped talking about Heritage and RF-7IIs and said he was saying they were better than Synergy and Icon, which they may very well be but I guarantee if you listen to music above the 90 dB threshold (that he mentioned) the R-28Fs won't hold a candle to those he was comparing them to.

Go back to his first post when not only was he giving his credentials for trusting his judgment, he went on to include others that seemed over the top discussing a speaker being sold at Best buy and everyone concurring the same conclusion--If what he said is true then he will definitely have the last laugh and Paul Klipsch will be turning over in his grave.
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I'm not a disrespect to anybody here. This forum was and still is very helpful to me and I'm still learning here everyday!!!! Nothing to do if you are new here or not I just don't believe what Dmcrisp27 said about R-28F and RF-7II. If Someone else person who is in forum 10 years said something like Dmcrisp27 I will say something so it is nothing personal at all!!!!
I just don't think those 2 speakers are any close it is all what I'm going say about it. Compare them with RF-62II or maybe RF-82II then maybe but really not to RF-7II. I just think RF-7II are a different league and you can see it also on MSRP price and there must be a reason why it is like this. Maybe when Dmcrisp27 had chance to listen RF-7II they was not proper set up or calibrated I don't know.
I'm always trying to help people like others here helped me!!!!
If you can't not handle if someone doesnt always 100% agree with you then I don't how to help.
This is why we have this forum, talking, agree and disagree on different things.
Many times I said here something what people disagree with me so they correct me and it doesnt mean they are disrespectful to me and I'm not disrespectful to them.
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If prices on BF will be half off many people will have nice set of speakers for their HT rooms or livingrooms. You will be probably able to get 5 speakers for less then $1000 and that will be very nice. F-3 with new R-28F is something what I think will be fair to compare it. I had before for 6 or 7 years Synergy line from HHgreg ( F-3, C-2, S-2) with Klipsch 12"sub and I was very happy with it for a long time!!! I was thinking there is no better system!!!! Then I come across this AVS web and start learning about Reference line and sold all and bought all Reference II and realy I can tell because I owned or still own there is a very big different and I'm glad and happy I had a chance to change it.
F-3 and RF-82II are close to each other but still I like sound better from RF-82II. Center channel C-2 and RC-62II it is like a day and night different, almost same feeling about surrounds S-2 and RS-52II. Subs differents before Klipsch 12 Synergy and now SVS sub it is another Day and night.

This is the thing the what if the guy just couldn't hear much difference between the two does it make his opinion wrong? I was with a friend the other day and got a chance to hear the triton 1 and triton 7's ,now to me the 1's where a big upgrade, but he stated he couldn't hear much of a difference between the two. There's a $3600 price difference between the two. To me that's a bold claim. Is he wrong for saying that? No it's his opinion, one which i respect. Making claim's that the speaker is the same as the Icon KF-28's(but with colored woofer's) and I already posted klipch's offical response on the upgrades that were done to the speaker(and the fact that you guy's have not heard them in detail) makes you guys seems silly and immature. Again I don't like the tone from you guys in this thread.
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You have 6 posts and joined here a few days ago. All you have posted on this forum so far is a bad sale pitch imo. I own none of the speakers you are comparing but have owned a ton of klipsch in a lot of different of lines (including all the lines you are comparing). The speakers your talking about are worlds apart. They are synergy painted to look like reference. Its pretty easy to see this. Plus they are best buy speakers and I have heard pretty much all of the stuff made for best buy. All of them are the lowest worst sounding models klipsch has ever made.


Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."


What's your response to this?


BTW why are you guys not calling out klipsch rep alex L in the klipsch forum thread, since you claim there's no difference between these and the icon's except painted woofer's?
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Just want to start by saying I mean no disrespect to you guys.

All I would like to say is this subject has without question struck a nerve in this thread, to be perfectly honest, I'm borderline offended at the attack toward new users in this thread and even myself after I asked and then went myself to audition the speakers. It seems anyone that has a different opinion from you guys must be crazy and not know what they are talking about. What's funny is not one of you guys have any real indepth experience with this speaker. So it's really an assumption arguement. From the overall tone of retro using all caps in his response to someone else making a sarcasm post on the klipsch forum.....I mean i'm really out done here guys. I never experienced this type of push back in any other avsforum thread. I'm done with discussing this speaker until i get them on BF and then maybe I will post a review with indepth analysis for the other users that actually care.



“Just want to start by saying I mean no disrespect to youguys. All I would like to say is this subject has without question struck anerve in this thread, to be perfectly honest, I'm borderline offended at theattack toward new users in this thread and even myself after I asked and thenwent myself to audition the speakers.”


New users aren’t attacked because they are new users.However, when someone presents obviously poor information, then they arecorrected, and then double down and try and fox hole their opinion, then yes,the reaction from others might be seen as ‘attacking.’ Most members on thissite value factual information, and what was presented was far from it. Themember doubled down, and used erroneous information repeatedly in order to ‘beright.’


“It seems anyone that has a different opinion from you guysmust be crazy and not know what they are talking about. What's funny is not oneof you guys have any real indepth experience with this speaker.”


Define ‘in-depth,’ and how presumptive for you to claim thatothers are ignorant to the Ref I speaker’s performance. There are folks here whoactually sell and install this equipment for a living. There are others who canevaluate speakers well because it’s a lifelong hobby.


“So it's really an assumption argument.”


Wrong again. Here you are ignoring information again.Frequency response, THD, CEA 2010, group delay, waterfall response, I can go onand on as to how the Reference I set shouldn’t be compared to the RF-7 II.There are numerous factual descriptive reasons why RF 7 IIs are superior to theReference I set described. You, and the other poster seemingly refuse to acceptthese things.


“From the overall tone of retro using all caps in hisresponse to someone else making a sarcasm post on the klipsch forum.....I meani'm really out done here guys.”


Don’t let the door hit ya. Few people on this page have beenattacked like I have, but I don’t let caps or sarcasm get the better of me. Ijust rely on what I know is true from a lifetime of knowledge, and let otherpeople make their own decisions.


“I never experienced this type of push back in any otheravsforum thread. I'm done with discussing this speaker until i get them on BFand then maybe I will post a review with indepth analysis for the other usersthat actually care.”


Who says that we don’t care about the Reference I speaker asa product offering? No one is saying it’s a poor speaker set for the money,where everyone is taking issue is comparing it to a Reference II speaker (specifically the RF 7 II) or a speaker fromthe Heritage line. Are they better than old synergy, and Icon, ok sure, that’strue. I don’t think anyone has an issue with that, it’s the ridiculous notionthat it’s better than vastly superior equpitment. Sure the Reference I mightnot be on the radar for many folks here, especially if we already own somethingbetter, but no one is pushing back the way you’re claiming. I’m sure you’llbenefit everyone with your in-depth analysis, but I think you need to learn abit more first.
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Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."


What's your response to this?


BTW why are you guys not calling out klipsch rep alex L in the klipsch forum thread, since you claim there's no difference between these and the icon's except painted woofer's?

Again, the lions share of this topic, and criticism towards the OP has revolved around the ridiculous notion of comparing them to vastly superior Klipsch equipment. Good job data mining a new point to better make yourself sound right.


As for the painted woofer remark. Obviously they did color the woofers to match the appeal of the Reference II, and I think that's the big take away from Ref Head's comment. Are there other factual differences, and advances over previous Icon and Synergy? Undoubtedly everyone would agree that there are some. It doesn't change the main point RefHead made, that these speakers are the lowest sound grade in the Klipsch catalogue. Again, no one is saying they aren't a great choice for the money.
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