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As far as the RF-7ii's are concerned I think it's a great speaker, I got a chance to hear it a while ago and was impressed it's a definite upgrade over the RF-82's that said it was no super speaker that's for sure, IN MY OPINION, I heard three speakers recently that take it school, the Sonus Faber venere 3.0, triton 1 and b&w 805d, I think those are all better speakers than the RF-7ii, In fact I think they all blow the RF-7 out of the water and i'm a big klipsch fan, i grew up listening to the hertiage stuff. So based on what i heard I don't remember the RF-7 Being some HUGE Monster by a football field length greater than the RF-82's, they where for sure better, but it was no super speaker that's for sure. So that's why i didn't have a issue with the OP's comments.

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... So that's why i didn't have a issue with the OP's comments.
Umm--Don't always believe what you read on the internet especially from first time posters who seem overzealous to express their point of view, even if it agrees with yours...My 2 cents.
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This Klipsch forum is unbelievable. It seems folks are not supposed to have an opinion unless it falls in line with the regulers/audio elite's point of view. I have followed this and other forums, here on avs, for about a year now and this of group folks are the most loud outspoken bunch that cannot take an opinion or point of view that does not line up with theirs. But yet, many here preach "listen for yourself and find out what sounds good to you." But if someone wants to share the results from such advice, they are attacked. I think it shows maturity to respect opinions and points of view that may not line up with your own.

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So the x4000 I planned on buying was sold. I'm thinking of going back to my original plan and upgrading my sub instead - from rw-12D to pb2000. I'm guessing this will probably yield more tangible results than the receiver upgrade. I suppose the question is, what is the weakest point of my system? Receiver or sub.

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This Klipsch forum is unbelievable. It seems folks are not supposed to have an opinion unless it falls in line with the regulers/audio elite's point of view. I have followed this and other forums, here on avs, for about a year now and this of group folks are the most loud outspoken bunce that cannot take an opinion or point of view that does not line up with theirs. But yet many here preach "listen for yourself and find out what sounds good to you." But if someone wants to share the results from such advice, they are attacked. I think it shows maturity to respect opinions and points of view that may not line up with your own.
I agree that sometimes some here get a little to enthusiastic with their critique but don't throw out the baby with the bath water...Of course people can have their own opinion but others who come on and give over the top introductions and then state something that doesn't ring true on it face should be challenged--This isn't the Klipsch Speakers Sales Thread and in fact is the Audio Visual Science Forum.

That said, I feel comfortable with my participation and hope I've been of some help.
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Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."


What's your response to this?


BTW why are you guys not calling out klipsch rep alex L in the klipsch forum thread, since you claim there's no difference between these and the icon's except painted woofer's?
If Alex said that they are as good as the speakers listed (heritage and 7s) I would have said the same thing to him. I have no problem with klipsch selling entry level speakers. But as experienced members and collectors it needs to be pointed out sometimes what we are really talking about. Best buy speakers are a value entry level speaker. Are they better than the last synergy? I wouldn't be surprised if they are a little better. But way better? No way. Keep in mind when they came out with the new synergy line they had a whole list of things that were improved in them as well. I think most people will say those sounded the same for the most part.

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So the x4000 I planned on buying was sold. I'm thinking of going back to my original plan and upgrading my sub instead - from rw-12D to pb2000. I'm guessing this will probably yield more tangible results than the receiver upgrade. I suppose the question is, what is the weakest point of my system? Receiver or sub.

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im trying to sell my x4000
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So the x4000 I planned on buying was sold. I'm thinking of going back to my original plan and upgrading my sub instead - from rw-12D to pb2000. I'm guessing this will probably yield more tangible results than the receiver upgrade. I suppose the question is, what is the weakest point of my system? Receiver or sub.

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Sub for sure! I had an RW12D before my SB13. By far the biggest most noticeable difference. The X4000 won't be much improvement IMO over the 2113. I also had a Denon 791 then went to the 3312. Little more power and an improved audyssey. Nothing like the sub upgrade that was one of them WOW moments

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So the x4000 I planned on buying was sold. I'm thinking of going back to my original plan and upgrading my sub instead - from rw-12D to pb2000. I'm guessing this will probably yield more tangible results than the receiver upgrade. I suppose the question is, what is the weakest point of my system? Receiver or sub.

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Sorry to hear about it. Normally I will say AVR first but at period of time I will get sub at this point just because I believe more X4000 good deals will show up soon since new x4100W is on the way.

With latest Audyssey your system will sound much better.

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I agree that sometimes some here get a little to enthusiastic with their critique but don't throw out the baby with the bath water...Of course people can have their own opinion but others who come on and give over the top introductions and then state something that doesn't ring true on it face should be challenged--This isn't the Klipsch Speakers Sales Thread and in fact is the Audio Visual Science Forum.

That said, I feel comfortable with my participation and hope I've been of some help.
The RF7II's are the best speakers on the planet!! Know why cuz I own them
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This Klipsch forum is unbelievable. It seems folks are not supposed to have an opinion unless it falls in line with the regulers/audio elite's point of view. I have followed this and other forums, here on avs, for about a year now and this of group folks are the most loud outspoken bunce that cannot take an opinion or point of view that does not line up with theirs. But yet many here preach "listen for yourself and find out what sounds good to you." But if someone wants to share the results from such advice, they are attacked. I think it shows maturity to respect opinions and points of view that may not line up with your own.

I don't see how your rant is any different then anyones else's. Complaining is complaining. I guess you believe in what you said so it makes it ok right? Maybe thats how others feel. Think about it
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this klipsch forum is unbelievable. It seems folks are not supposed to have an opinion unless it falls in line with the regulers/audio elite's point of view. I have followed this and other forums, here on avs, for about a year now and this of group folks are the most loud outspoken bunch that cannot take an opinion or point of view that does not line up with theirs. But yet, many here preach "listen for yourself and find out what sounds good to you." but if someone wants to share the results from such advice, they are attacked. I think it shows maturity to respect opinions and points of view that may not line up with your own.
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Honestly, what we've been calling Reference II (i.e., RF-xxII) is actually Reference IV but they only started duplicating the numbers with those (except for when they rebadged the RF-3s as RF-3II in the first generation and started putting in MONSTER cable to *improve* the sound, but didn't change anything else)....

Then came the Reference 2 speakers that had the RF-7s as flagship and the RF-35s in the lower end...With the RF-83s came the RF-82s as the lower end to those (Reference III) and now the RF-7IIs and RF-82IIs that hold those same spots in the Reference IV--No, not very confusing.
Actually, the current Reference II line is the fifth generation of Reference speakers (see second paragraph in this press release).

Using the single-tweeter, dual-8" woofer model as an example:
1st generation: Klipsch RF-3
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The RF7II's are the best speakers on the planet!! Know why cuz I own them
hey cc ,how about the klf s dude lol
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I don't see how your rant is any different then anyones else's. Complaining is complaining. I guess you believe in what you said so it makes it ok right? Maybe thats how others feel. Think about it
Fair enough. You have a right to your opinion; however, there is a serious atmosphere of disrepect and a lack of humility from many here. In my point of view, the regular offenders really discredit the knowledge and experience they have when they set out to attack and disparage those who do not share in their opinion.

There are many that I respect here, one of which is Youthman. He is, in my book, qauilfied to be a Klipsch expert. With all of the different Klipsch speakers that he has had over the years. And he is very humble and respectful towards others. I have, on many occasions, seen him politely disagree with other folks, but yet he is still repectful. I wish there were more like him. Anyways, enough of my rant.
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Sub for sure! I had an RW12D before my SB13. By far the biggest most noticeable difference. The X4000 won't be much improvement IMO over the 2113. I also had a Denon 791 then went to the 3312. Little more power and an improved audyssey. Nothing like the sub upgrade that was one of them WOW moments
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Sorry to hear about it. Normally I will say AVR first but at period of time I will get sub at this point just because I believe more X4000 good deals will show up soon since new x4100W is on the way.

With latest Audyssey your system will sound much better.
Yeah I may just pull the trigger on the sub and get the AVR on a couple months. My friend that works at Magnolia also said not to worry about the receiver for now too - that the upgrade from the 2113 wouldn't be huge.

Now I have to decide whether I buy a pb-12plus or a pb-2000 and look to squeeze a second pb-2000 into my room somehow in the future.

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fair enough. You have a right to your opinion; however, there is a serious atmosphere of disrepect and a lack of humility from many here. In my point of view, the regular offenders really discredit the knowledge and experience they have when they set out to attack and disparage those who do not share in their opinion.

There are many that i respect here, one of which is youthman. He is, in my book, qauilfied to be a klipsch expert. With all of the different klipsch speakers that he has had over the years. And he is very humble and respectful towards others. I have, on many occasions, seen him politely disagree with other folks, but yet he is still repectful. I wish there were more like him. Anyways, enough of my rant.
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Yeah I may just pull the trigger on the sub and get the AVR on a couple months. My friend that works at Magnolia also said not to worry about the receiver for now too - that the upgrade from the 2113 wouldn't be huge.

Now I have to decide whether I buy a pb-12plus or a pb-2000 and look to squeeze a second pb-2000 into my room somehow in the future.
Well it will be a question about budget and if you really will get later on 2 subs. Single sub I will go with Plus or ( dual pluses if your budget is ok) if you want to lower budget get dual PB-2000.

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Fair enough. You have a right to your opinion; however, there is a serious atmosphere of disrepect and a lack of humility from many here. In my point of view, the regular offenders really discredit the knowledge and experience they have when they set out to attack and disparage those who do not share in their opinion.

There are many that I respect here, one of which is Youthman. He is, in my book, qauilfied to be a Klipsch expert. With all of the different Klipsch speakers that he has had over the years. And he is very humble and respectful towards others. I have, on many occasions, seen him politely disagree with other folks, but yet he is still repectful. I wish there were more like him. Anyways, enough of my rant.
I really don't see any attack and disparage here and I'm reading this thread since last year. Disagree doesn't mean attack. I really don't see anything wrong if someone posted here something what I don't agree to say sorry but I don't believe it as I did before.What I need to do then:

Apologize first, make sure person who posted is not sensitive to disagree word and then go to Church and hope I will not receive any negative post about it? Why we have this forum talking about Klipsch, changing experience, reading knowledge and helping each other like others helped me and I can see it all happened here every day!!!
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hey cc ,how about the klf s dude lol
If I owned the KLF-30's then those would be the best speakers in the world. Ya know how it is
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If I owned the KLF-30's then those would be the best speakers in the world. Ya know how it is
lol now we talking ,i am about to have 4 klf 30 s and a pair of 20 s .....so a friend has an svs pb 2000 it s gorgeous and also a klipsch sw115 ,i heard both and i tell ya the klipsch really impressed me .
why do most people here hate klipsch subs man? i know the sw115 gets really awsome reviews and might be the exception
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Actually, the current Reference II line is the fifth generation of Reference speakers (see second paragraph in this press release).

Using the single-tweeter, dual-8" woofer model as an example:
1st generation: Klipsch RF-3
2nd generation: Klipsch RF-3II
3rd generation: Klipsch RF-35
4th generation: Klipsch RF-82
5th generation: Klipsch RF-82II
Nope--I mentioned the re-introduction of the RF-3II but that wasn't considered a new reference. They were available with both the RP line: http://www.klipsch.com/rp-5-floorsta...peaker/details and the RF-7 line:http://www.klipsch.com/rf-7-floorsta...peaker/details

Notice they overlap in 2001. Ironically there isn't much difference between them and the RF-82II. ;-)
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i really felt the bass and heard it man it really made a huge deep bass ,i might go and say the sw115 goes deeper than the svs pb 2000
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lol now we talking ,i am about to have 4 klf 30 s and a pair of 20 s .....so a friend has an svs pb 2000 it s gorgeous and also a klipsch sw115 ,i heard both and i tell ya the klipsch really impressed me .
why do most people here hate klipsch subs man? i know the sw115 gets really awsome reviews and might be the exception
Four KLF 30's and two 20's? I'm glad I'm not your neighbor! That's gotta be pretty huge sounding. I'm thinking you don't need a dedicated sub with eight 12's and four 10's. Run um full range and see how they sound. Where do you live? LOL
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why do most people here hate klipsch subs man? i know the sw115 gets really awsome reviews and might be the exception
I have the Klipsch RSW-12 and RSW-15 and they are both awesome as well.
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Four KLF 30's and two 20's? I'm glad I'm not your neighbor! That's gotta be pretty huge sounding. I'm thinking you don't need a dedicated sub with eight 12's and four 10's. Run um full range and see how they sound. Where do you live? LOL
yah i know ,full range is crazy bassy i can t take it man still need a nice sub for below 30 hz
my neighbours love me all right
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I have the Klipsch RSW-12 and RSW-15 and they are both awesome as well.
awsome zen ,glad to hear that some of us like klipsch subs ,yah i was watching jurasic park and one scene i felt like someone punched me in the chest man how fast and responsive that sw115 was ,i might have to stop looking at hsu and svs and hunt down a sw115 it also sounds tight in music which is where the svs lacked a bit .....only my opinion guys i am just surpised that a 400 w sub can perform better and stays much cooler playing all day than the 500 w svs
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So the x4000 I planned on buying was sold. I'm thinking of going back to my original plan and upgrading my sub instead - from rw-12D to pb2000. I'm guessing this will probably yield more tangible results than the receiver upgrade. I suppose the question is, what is the weakest point of my system? Receiver or sub.

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I would say both a PB-2000 and x4000 would be a huge upgrade. With x4100 coming out though I'd say maybe wait. Also, I would keep the RW12d and run 2 subwoofers. Trust me and thank me later.

The thing about x4000 and audyssey XT32. You might think "receiver isn't that big of an upgrade right"? Yeah I thought that too until I got my XT32 room correction software. If you eventually want to get an x4000 or x4100 keeping your old subwoofer will be even a smarter choice since it accepts 2 subwoofers and equalizes them to work together. The result you get with XT32 is the most pure and room filling sound you have ever heard.

This is why I say either would be a huge upgrade.

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Nope--I mentioned the re-introduction of the RF-3II but that wasn't considered a new reference. They were available with both the RP line: http://www.klipsch.com/rp-5-floorsta...peaker/details and the RF-7 line:http://www.klipsch.com/rf-7-floorsta...peaker/details

Notice they overlap in 2001. Ironically there isn't much difference between them and the RF-82II. ;-)
Not to get in a pissing contest over semantics, but check that press release that Klipsch put out. Even Klipsch themselves say that the current Reference II line is the fifth generation. Heck, let me quote it here in case you can't be bothered to click the link:

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Now in its fifth generation, the Reference II Series speakers...
There have only been five different variations of the dual 8" Reference tower speakers (not counting the new R-28F towers), and I listed all of them, so Klipsch must've considered the RF-3II a "new Reference;" after all, they gave it a new model number.

Overlap or no overlap, Klipsch says five generations (again, press release, paragraph two), and I agree. The evidence speaks for itself. You can feel free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.

If you need even more evidence, look at this banner on the Sound Distributors page!


See? "Ref 5?"

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