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If Klipsch is what you were after then I'd say RS-51s or perhaps RB-61. I have 41s but my room is 13x11 and I am right on the back wall, near my surrounds.
I'm on the back wall as well. I appreciate everyone's input. Now it's time to factor in budget and WAF.
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I would say both a PB-2000 and x4000 would be a huge upgrade. With x4100 coming out though I'd say maybe wait. Also, I would keep the RW12d and run 2 subwoofers. Trust me and thank me later.

The thing about x4000 and audyssey XT32. You might think "receiver isn't that big of an upgrade right"? Yeah I thought that too until I got my XT32 room correction software. If you eventually want to get an x4000 or x4100 keeping your old subwoofer will be even a smarter choice since it accepts 2 subwoofers and equalizes them to work together. The result you get with XT32 is the most pure and room filling sound you have ever heard.

This is why I say either would be a huge upgrade.
Thanks yeah that was part of the plan (the dual sub output plus subeq). I plan on keeping my rw-12d until I get a second sub, unless I buy a pb-12plus. I posted a while ago about my difficulties with placement of two subs though so we will see how it works out.

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There have only been five different variations of the dual 8" Reference tower speakers (not counting the new R-28F towers), and I listed all of them, so Klipsch must've considered the RF-3II a "new Reference;" after all, they gave it a new model number.



See? "Ref 5?"
No pissing contest--I went from memory and was wrong....Btw, here is a "single tweeter, dual 8" woofer" Reference model you missed: http://www.klipsch.com/rf-5-floorsta...peaker/details

That said, when they released the RF-3II and the RB-5II they were the only ones they released at the time with that designation and there was no difference at all between them and the originals except for Monster Cable..

Then again, you provided the proof that Klipsch called their current line the Reference 5 line so I stand corrected.

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Thanks yeah that was part of the plan (the dual sub output plus subeq). I plan on keeping my rw-12d until I get a second sub, unless I buy a pb-12plus. I posted a while ago about my difficulties with placement of two subs though so we will see how it works out.
So did you think about cylinder sub, it is easier to placed then PB.

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So did you think about cylinder sub, it is easier to placed then PB.
I thought about it but kind of dismissed it. The height means I can't put it at the front, under the screen, which is basically my only spot since I moved some stuff around. I had a great spot near-field between my couch and the wall, but I shifted the couches over to make room for some shelves and to better center the seating to the screen so that spot is probably too tight now. If I can fit my RW-12D in there I will likely do that for the time being, but IIRC the last time I measured there is not enough space.

My other option is to bring out the console forward and put the subs behind it, but it looks kind of weird and the sound started to feel disconnected from the screen.

Anyway, all part of the fun! (until I move in a few years and hopefully have a true dedicated room )

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No pissing contest--I went from memory and was wrong....Btw, here is a "single tweeter, dual 8" woofer" Reference model you missed: http://www.klipsch.com/rf-5-floorsta...peaker/details

That said, when they released the RF-3II and the RB-5II they were the only ones they released at the time with that designation and there was no difference at all between them and the originals except for Monster Cable..

Then again, you provided the proof that Klipsch called their current line the Reference 5 line so I stand corrected. And you're right -- I completely missed the RF-5.

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It's all good. I got a little charged up with your "nope" comment but figured you'd probably missed the press release.

I had the original RF-3s and (this is sad) can even remember where I was when I read that the RF-3IIs had been announced (with "Z-series" Monster Cable). Talk about the easiest decision ever not to upgrade to the "newest" model!
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I thought about it but kind of dismissed it. The height means I can't put it at the front, under the screen, which is basically my only spot since I moved some stuff around. I had a great spot near-field between my couch and the wall, but I shifted the couches over to make room for some shelves and to better center the seating to the screen so that spot is probably too tight now. If I can fit my RW-12D in there I will likely do that for the time being, but IIRC the last time I measured there is not enough space.

My other option is to bring out the console forward and put the subs behind it, but it looks kind of weird and the sound started to feel disconnected from the screen.

Anyway, all part of the fun! (until I move in a few years and hopefully have a true dedicated room )
So are yo more in to PB-2000 or PB12-Plus now? If you will have later on dedicated room maybe Plus?

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So are yo more in to PB-2000 or PB12-Plus now? If you will have later on dedicated room maybe Plus?
That's exactly what i'm thinking. I won't move for a minimum of 4 years, so that's not a huge consideration. Really if I can find a reasonable way to fit 2 subs in my room, I'd rather go with dual pb2000 for now.

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That's exactly what i'm thinking. I won't move for a minimum of 4 years, so that's not a huge consideration. Really if I can find a reasonable way to fit 2 subs in my room, I'd rather go with dual pb2000 for now.
You will love it it will move your HT system to next gear. I had same situation before but I'm going to move within 1 year so it is why get dual Pluses. (actually I never fought to have 2 subs but i had chance to try them together and I love it). I know they will do easy even on double size room then I have now.

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That's exactly what i'm thinking. I won't move for a minimum of 4 years, so that's not a huge consideration. Really if I can find a reasonable way to fit 2 subs in my room, I'd rather go with dual pb2000 for now.

I love my PB-2000, and if I had the room I would add another. Of course I'm not sure the brick would last long on my house if I did......lol, just 1 already shakes everything in the house.

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Awesome! Thanks for the input everyone! Thread derail over (for now)

I'm most likely going to pick up a pb-2000, then a second whenever I figure out how to fit it.

The room is <2300 cu ft so I'm sure that will be plenty.

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I have a pb-12 plus as my nearfield sub in my living room setup and it great. Fits right behind the couch has a very small foot print. Also people ask "what is that?". I would suggest anyone to add a nearfield if your space allows it.
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Awesome! Thanks for the input everyone! Thread derail over (for now)

I'm most likely going to pick up a pb-2000, then a second whenever I figure out how to fit it.

The room is <2300 cu ft so I'm sure that will be plenty.
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I have a pb-12 plus as my nearfield sub in my living room setup and it great. Fits right behind the couch has a very small foot print. Also people ask "what is that?". I would suggest anyone to add a nearfield if your space allows it.
Yeah I got a nearfield too. It's the RW12d. I do eventually plan to upgrade. I'll have to see if there is enough room for a PB-2000 in there. Would be great to have a PB that would probably rock my bones.

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Since the talk is on subwoofers, I assume most everyone here uses Audyssey (or similar RC). Do you make any changes post calibration? If so what?


Just curious.
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Awesome! Thanks for the input everyone! Thread derail over (for now)

I'm most likely going to pick up a pb-2000, then a second whenever I figure out how to fit it.

The room is <2300 cu ft so I'm sure that will be plenty.


Depending on your room dynamics, a single PB2000 might be all you need. Two is all just about anyone needs. YMMV


Have you looked into the PSA subs? I think they have a ported model about the same price or like 100$ more, but with a 15" woofer. Worth looking into if you haven't. If not the PB2000 is fine.
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Since the talk is on subwoofers, I assume most everyone here uses Audyssey (or similar RC). Do you make any changes post calibration? If so what?


Just curious.
Not me...I admit I used to like the way my RSW-12 &RSW-15 really hit those lower notes loud and the tactile sensation when they did (pre-audyssey) but found if I left it where Audyssey set it I could hear more of the nuances in the other speakers--Again I listen to mostly music on my system. That said, I've read where others like to bump it up another 3 dB or so but I'm content at between 80 to 85 dB with notes usually getting no higher than 92 or 94 dB before it gets uncomfortable--In fact I am about to go listen to T-REX "Electric Warrior" DVD-A and a few other disks as soon as I type this.

{Edit Note: For the record, on this material I usually have the main dial on my Denon AVR-4311ci between -18 to -12 to achieve those levels.}
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Depending on your room dynamics, a single PB2000 might be all you need. Two is all just about anyone needs. YMMV


Have you looked into the PSA subs? I think they have a ported model about the same price or like 100$ more, but with a 15" woofer. Worth looking into if you haven't. If not the PB2000 is fine.
Yeah I've seen that but honestly the cheap finish is just really ugly. It might be stupid to consider looks when the output is greater by all accounts, but to get the PSA with a decent finish you are talking pb-12plus money in which case I would go that way. SVS has several in their outlet section for $1200 which seems like a pretty good deal (they have minor physical defects mostly).

In any case, I have a ton of travel over the next 6 weeks or so I won't have time to enjoy anything I buy anyhow - I'm going to hold off until the end of Oct or maybe even see what black friday offers.

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Since the talk is on subwoofers, I assume most everyone here uses Audyssey (or similar RC). Do you make any changes post calibration? If so what?


Just curious.
I use a sms-1 that works pretty good. Its a toy compared to rew but its way better than nothing. I eq all three at the same time. Based on what I see on the screen I then start to tweak the subs. I only use the eq for taming bass peaks. Dips are pretty hard to eq out being that most of them are the room, placement, and lp.

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