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Bose, you know, the things I put in my little girl's hair... I'm not going to bash them, but, my first surround system was an Accoustimas 10 about 14 years ago. It was for a very small space in the basement. If you want very clear, low spl sound, then they're good. If you want a true theater experience at home, look else where.
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Glad to see HSU mentioned. I love my two HSU VTF-3 MK4's. The craftsmanship of HSU subs are second to none in their price range. Seems like SVS is the only subs I ever see get recommended on this site anymore. I guess I should be more active myself promoting HSU, but understand that SVS has a strong hold on being more popular here. I'm sure it's a fine Sub as well.
I'm more of a sealed sub guy, but I feel that you need to spend at least $800 on one to get one that sounds good. I don't consider an HSU with both ports sealed to be a proper sealed design. It's a nice try, but even Dr. Hsu says his subs don't sound their best that way.


In that case, the VTF 2 and 3 are good deals, they have a ton of output, and I like the two large ports (which I'd keep both open).


SVS enjoys more than half of the ID market. Don't be surprised if they start showing up in big box stores, and or local retailers soon. I always thought that the ID model took away the retail mark-up. In any case, I've had conversations with Tom Vodhanel, founder of PSA (he helped found SVS- his last name is the V in SVS), and some of the things SVS started a few years back changed their product quality, and not for the best. Do they make some quality subs, absolutely, but I also feel they are getting a touch overpriced compared to newcomers in the ID sub market like PSA, and Reaciton Audio.
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I'm more of a sealed sub guy, but I feel that you need to spend at least $800 on one to get one that sounds good. I don't consider an HSU with both ports sealed to be a proper sealed design. It's a nice try, but even Dr. Hsu says his subs don't sound their best that way.


In that case, the VTF 2 and 3 are good deals, they have a ton of output, and I like the two large ports (which I'd keep both open).


SVS enjoys more than half of the ID market. Don't be surprised if they start showing up in big box stores, and or local retailers soon. I always thought that the ID model took away the retail mark-up. In any case, I've had conversations with Tom Vodhanel, founder of PSA (he helped found SVS- his last name is the V in SVS), and some of the things SVS started a few years back changed their product quality, and not for the best. Do they make some quality subs, absolutely, but I also feel they are getting a touch overpriced compared to newcomers in the ID sub market like PSA, and Reaciton Audio.
I run my Dual VTF-3's nearfield (end tables) with one port open. To tell the truth I can't really tell any difference changing the ports config, but that's probably the nearfield location. Two of these will really move your seat. The finish on the box is absolutely beautiful.

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I run my Dual VTF-3's nearfield (end tables) with one port open. To tell the truth I can't really tell any difference changing the ports config, but that's probably the nearfield location. Two of these will really move your seat. The finish on the box is absolutely beautiful.
Nearfield is always a win, win. The one qualm I have with HSU are all the dials and gizmos on the subs generally change very little. You're not the first person to say this.
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Bose, you know, the things I put in my little girl's hair... I'm not going to bash them, but, my first surround system was an Accoustimas 10 about 14 years ago. It was for a very small space in the basement. If you want very clear, low spl sound, then they're good. If you want a true theater experience at home, look else where.


No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.
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Nearfield is always a win, win. The one qualm I have with HSU are all the dials and gizmos on the subs generally change very little. You're not the first person to say this.
I guess the tuning controls are better than none. I mean, I guess they can't hurt. Lets compare the $800 models real quick. The SVS PB-2000 to the HSU VTF-3. I think the HSU goes down to 16Hz compared the SVS 17HZ (not a big difference). The HSU does allow for the different port configs, and Q control. In my opinion the HSU looks like a much better build. SVS does have a similar finish with their $1400 + models but it still IMHO doesn't look as nice.

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And here I thought I had clicked on the Klipsch thread...

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And here I thought I had clicked on the Klipsch thread...
Well, the conversation did start talking about Klipsch subs.
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Don't worry about it, doesn't matter... but I did make sure I had clicked on the correct thread!

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Glad to see HSU mentioned. I love my two HSU VTF-3 MK4's. The craftsmanship of HSU subs are second to none in their price range. Seems like SVS is the only subs I ever see get recommended on this site anymore. I guess I should be more active myself promoting HSU, but understand that SVS has a strong hold on being more popular here. I'm sure it's a fine Sub as well.
I have also noticed the same. I have heard SVS subs and like them a lot, but I have also heard the JL Audio subs! For the money SVS are the better deal, but if you have the funds to dish out the JL Audio subs are better IMO.
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And here I thought I had clicked on the Klipsch thread...
Yea, but Klipsch subs are over priced for what you get. It isn't uncommon for Klipsch speaker fans to suggest ID subs over Klipsch. Klipsch as a company is in no way affiliated with this thread.

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My friends dad has a Mcintosh MC 7106 that he wants to sell. Its in mint condition and he told me to make him an offer on it. What do you guys think would be fair.

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As some of you know I really like the SVS PB Ultra 13 Sub. My friend of 30 years has one.... but his 5 year warranty ran out 3 months ago as his Digital 1000 watt amp fried a part......again. Second time now but this time it was cash out of his pocket. SVS did cut him a deal for $200.00 off but still $400.00 and this is the really the 3rd amp. He purchased it used when it was 11 months old and it had SVS old 1000 watt BASH amp that went bad a few months after he purchased it local. SVS sent him a new Digital amp free (great Customer Service) and now 4 years later a second SVS Digital amp has failed and He does not abuse it or over drive it with his 4 KLF20/C7 Yamaha HD AVR. As much as I love this good looking/sounding sub I now wonder just how reliable the amps are.YMMV on this but I thought I would share this to the members that are looking at new subs. My old Sun Fire Carver amp sub I had years ago crapped out after a few years so I really expect Hot hard hitting subs will not last 10 years like most home AB amps do as none of them are bullet proof for ever. I am waiting for one of my 2 used entry level Klipsch subs to crap out as they are getting almost 10 years old now.

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I have also noticed the same. I have heard SVS subs and like them a lot, but I have also heard the JL Audio subs! For the money SVS are the better deal, but if you have the funds to dish out the JL Audio subs are better IMO.
JL makes subs a lot like SVS. Both use really high end stuff in their top tier subs. In fact if you look at the two 13.5" subs. The drivers look a lot alike. Not sure I agree that JL is better. They cost way more thats for sure. Its hard not to look at what you get for what you spend.

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As some of you know I really like the SVS PB Ultra 13 Sub. My friend of 30 years has one.... but his 5 year warranty ran out 3 months ago as his Digital 1000 watt amp fried a part......again. Second time now but this time it was cash out of his pocket. SVS did cut him a deal for $200.00 off but still $400.00 and this is the really the 3rd amp. He purchased it used when it was 11 months old and it had SVS old 1000 watt BASH amp that went bad a few months after he purchased it local. SVS sent him a new Digital amp free (great Customer Service) and now 4 years later a second SVS Digital amp has failed and He does not abuse it or over drive it with his 4 KLF20/C7 Yamaha HD AVR. As much as I love this good looking/sounding sub I now wonder just how reliable the amps are.YMMV on this but I thought I would share this to the members that are looking at new subs. My old Sun Fire Carver amp sub I had years ago crapped out after a few years so I really expect Hot hard hitting subs will not last 10 years like most home AB amps do as none of them are bullet proof for ever. I am waiting for one of my 2 used entry level Klipsch subs to crap out as they are getting almost 10 years old now.
Seems to be the weak link is all the subs with plate amps. Not sure why.

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Maybe not the brightest question of the day but, it might be the fist one of the day!


If a plate amp dies.... why replace it with another (that might also die) when I'd guess you could just work around it and plumb an outboard amp in?


Is it just about keeping things tidy?
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Maybe not the brightest question of the day but, it might be the fist one of the day!


If a plate amp dies.... why replace it with another (that might also die) when I'd guess you could just work around it and plumb an outboard amp in?


Is it just about keeping things tidy?
I think it would look cleaner to have a passive set up and only 1 set of wires going to the sub. I think its more of an "ease of use" and "all in one" type of deal.

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Maybe not the brightest question of the day but, it might be the fist one of the day!


If a plate amp dies.... why replace it with another (that might also die) when I'd guess you could just work around it and plumb an outboard amp in?


Is it just about keeping things tidy?
Most people have no idea what amp to purchase and how to do this. I thought about this but Mike said it was easier to just order another one from SVS. To be fair he is retired and his equipment is ON all day and into the night every day so his equipment gets a LOT or use.
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. . . SVS enjoys more than half of the ID market. Don't be surprised if they start showing up in big box stores, and or local retailers soon . . .
Already starting . . . see this thread . . .

SVS now at best buy??!

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Already starting . . . see this thread . . .

SVS now at best buy??!
If SVS subs will be available in Best Buy stores then they can start clearance all other subs what they have now in stores no one will buy them.

Plus if you need help with choice sub it will be always better to contact SVS and talk to them they are great what they do talk to about set up what you looking for and other details what helps figure out the best sub for each room, I'm afraid you will never get those answers from Best Buy employes

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