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I figured when Klipsch was purchased changes would happen.
Well just hope if Klipsch do any big changes they will be a good one. We will see.

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I actually am curious who is going to sell Klipsch? I also wonder what is going to happen to their Forum as the new speakers come out...There doesn't appear to be much love for the new Reference line--Fwiw, I thought the new soundbar seemed pretty cool for that market, but I have no idea about their Headphones...
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It is not AVS who decide but Klipsch. AVS is going to stop carry Klipsch becouse Klipsch did some restructuring and we are one of the casualties. This is what Mike from AVS said when I asked him and make my purchase.
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Best Buy will carry the new Reference I line, soundbars and headphones. Reference II, Palladium, THX II, and Heritage are going to be sold through independent dealers. To make them more appealing to independent dealers, they had to pull out of several sales channels including AVS Sales, as well as freshen up the line, and add more margin to attract more dealers.
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I figured when Klipsch was purchased changes would happen.
It was interesting seeing their trajectory when they apparently were putting Klipsch Inc on the market and the introduction of the "old" Reference and putting the "II" in their name--My guess that's when they started cutting costs and at best both lines were comparable...That said, and seeing the financial disclosures/reactions to VOXX it seems hard to believe they are putting much money in R & D for these legacy speakers...

Folks seem just as happy with the "II" line as they were with the originals so they are still products that they think are marketable but it still amazes me how many people purchase off of the internet without ever hearing them.
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Best Buy will carry the new Reference I line, soundbars and headphones. Reference II, Palladium, THX II, and Heritage are going to be sold through independent dealers. To make them more appealing to independent dealers, they had to pull out of several sales channels including AVS Sales, as well as freshen up the line, and add more margin to attract more dealers.
If BBY stays afloat that will be where Klipsch makes their money--That said, I was around (and got some really good deals on what I own) when they were pulling out of TWTR (their largest distributor at the time) and going into ULTE and then the latter went bankrupt--That is when they started making deals with Magnolia, although they never had upper end Reference to audition... {NOTE: I also noticed the only center channel they carried was the RC-52 and had it paired with both the RF-62 and RF-82 and realized that folks had a hard time using a larger center channel with their flat screen tvs}

I also can't believe they sell very many Heritage speakers and I would be real curious on Palladium sales given what's available at that price point...It seems the THX lines have a pretty good margin for distributors and that along with the THX Ultra II rating still make it attractive for potential buyers--I saw those being discussed on a thread here recent by a guy doing his homework.

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It was interesting seeing their trajectory when they apparently were putting Klipsch Inc on the market and the introduction of the "old" Reference and putting the "II" in their name--My guess that's when they started cutting costs and at best both lines were comparable...That said, and seeing the financial disclosures/reactions to VOXX it seems hard to believe they are putting much money in R & D for these legacy speakers...

Folks seem just as happy with the "II" line as they were with the originals so they are still products that they think are marketable but it still amazes me how many people purchase off of the internet without ever hearing them.
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If BBY stays afloat that will be where Klipsch makes their money--That said, I was around (and got some really good deals on what I own) when they were pulling out of TWTR (their largest distributor at the time) and going into ULTE and then the latter went bankrupt--That is when they started making deals with Magnolia, although they never had upper end Reference to audition... {NOTE: I also noticed the only center channel they carried was the RC-52 and had it paired with both the RF-62 and RF-82 and realized that folks had a hard time using a larger center channel with their flat screen tvs}

I also can't believe they sell very many Heritage speakers and I would be real curious on Palladium sales given what's available at that price point...It seems the THX lines have a pretty good margin for distributors and that along with the THX Ultra II rating still make it attractive for potential buyers--I saw those being discussed on a thread here recent by a guy doing his homework.


I think it goes without saying that in this industry, that if you fail to constantly update and advance your product then you’re going to be left in the dust. No speaker company does a flawlessjob at updating products, Klipsch included. Some updates are marginal, while others are profound. So while VOXX is everyone’s favorite punching bag, it’s not necessarily their fault when the former happens. Klipsch has a sizable budget for RD.


You are making some good points, but let’s put it all together. When it comes to ID, Amazon rules. But with that, as a manufacturer you also lose pricing power. Klipsch realizes this. If folks want to ‘showroom’ (look at it at Best Buy or anywhere else, but buy it cheaper on Amazon) with the lower end gear, that’s fine. They’ll still sell so much of it, that it won’t matter. The problem is their premium gear being on Amazon or other ID retailers. Klipsch realizes that this market belongs with independent retailers. The problem is, you can’t have a decent margin when you’reprice is undercut on Amazon. In order to sell with independents you need asizeable margin.


In the end this is a healthier model for the premium lines. For example, you hit a good point, Palladium has been reeling. It’s a serious product which can’t get a serious market foothold.

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I think it goes without sayingthat in this industry, that if you fail to constantly update and advance your productthen you’re going to be left in the dust. No speaker company does a flawlessjob at updating products, Klipsch included. Some updates are marginal, whileothers are profound. So while VOXX is everyone’s favorite punching bag, it’snot necessarily their fault if this happens. Klipsch has a sizable budget forRD. ...
For the record, I wasn't bashing VOXX and agree that the market has changed a lot with the onset of the internet--That said, when Paul Klipsch was in control of the company he was a genius scientist who had the final word and now it's marketers and the need to deliver profits to shareholders--Nothing wrong with that but, imo those are where the changes lie...The last big invention appeared to be the advent of the tractrix compression driver which allowed speakers to have a smaller footprint, but I am not sure where that design mated to a/few LF drivers is going to change. My 2 cents. {Note: I admit I haven't been following the headphone market but that is where it appears a lot of their efforts have gone in the last 5 years.}
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Chad, on 22 Sept 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:We just made them available on our site:

R-110SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-110SW
R-112SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-112SW
R-115SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-115SW

I know some of you have seen "leaks" elsewhere, but we are very happy to announce these models!

just 1 more pair of KLIPSCH Classic speakers...
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For the record, I wasn't bashing VOXX and agree that the market has changed a lot with the onset of the internet--That said, when Paul Klipsch was in control of the company he was a genius scientist who had the final word and now it's marketers and the need to deliver profits to shareholders--Nothing wrong with that but, imo those are where the changes lie...The last big invention appeared to be the advent of the tractrix compression driver which allowed speakers to have a smaller footprint, but I am not sure where that design mated to a/few LF drivers is going to change. My 2 cents. {Note: I admit I haven't been following the headphone market but that is where it appears a lot of their efforts have gone in the last 5 years.}




That said, when Paul Klipsch was in control of the companyhe was a genius scientist who had the final word and now it's marketers and theneed to deliver profits to shareholders..


I can see the level of appeal thisstatement has, but if I understand your point correctly, I think it’s flawed. Klipsch is completely different than the PWK days, but so are countless otherspeaker manufacturers. High end audio is a very niche market. It can make money however, and smart investors know that it’s good to properly take care of these types of investments with high quality products. Those who are simply concerned with profits, are the slim exception, not the rule.


The last big invention appeared to be the advent of thetractrix compression driver which allowed speakers to have a smaller footprint,but I am not sure where that design mated to a/few LF drivers is going tochange.


Are you asking what design improvements can (or should be) expected to follow? There’s a laundry list ofadvancements which we should see over the years.
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Chad, on 22 Sept 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:We just made them available on our site:

R-110SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-110SW
R-112SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-112SW
R-115SW: http://www.klipsch.com/R-115SW

I know some of you have seen "leaks" elsewhere, but we are very happy to announce these models!
Won't lie, I wish my SW112 had that matching copper cone instead of being plain black... Hope they fix the typo on the R-115SW page though ("seriously" instead of "serious")--all that marketing copy and nobody proofread it?
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Won't lie, I wish my SW112 had that matching copper cone instead of being plain black... Hope they fix the typo on the R-115SW page though ("seriously" instead of "serious")--all that marketing copy and nobody proofread it?
Not bad, I wonder what frequency, distance, and space that max output is rated at?


122 dB at <30hz in open space wouldn't be bad at all, but something tells me that's a 1m 1/8th corner space.
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