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I never had a chance to listen to them but from spec. they don't go low as SVS subs. So I'm sure SVS is a much better choice. Also customer service with SVS is outstanding and 5 years warranty. How much are SVS subs for you let say PB-2000 or PB12-Plus? I had before this Klipsch sub:

http://www.klipsch.com/sub-12-subwoofer/details

compare to SVS it is like day and night. Really it is completely different bass, it was probably the biggest WOW I had since I start to change all.
I found two companies selling SVS Subs, one company I have to pay the money now and then they will order and it will take like 3 months for it to arrive. LOL

The second company just had a new shipment come this week, they didnt know what price they could sell them for before they pass the customs/duty.....

But the first company priced them at:

SVS PB2000 820 USD.
PB12 plus 1500 USD.
PB13 Ultra 2050 USD.

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Wow... Totally disagree. The RS-52II is more than suited for discrete surround. That's not to say that a direct firing RB-**II wouldn't work well too. But to definitively suggest that an RS-52II isn't 'suited' for discrete surround is absurd.
The Klipsch WDST (RS-series) speakers were designed in the prologic era but work well for discrete channels in the digital age. I would use direct firing speakers if one sits parallel to the surrounds and has rear speakers to matrix those rear ( i.e., surround) channels to 4 speakers... If there are several rows of seats or doesn't sit parallel (or moves around the room while listening to material) the RS series would be preferable as side surrounds. Insofar as Back speakers YMMV and my guess in most instances the direct firing would be better but the RS series would still work.
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The Klipsch WDST (RS-series) speakers were designed in the prologic era but work well for discrete channels in the digital age. I would use direct firing speakers if one sits parallel to the surrounds and has rear speakers to matrix those rear ( i.e., surround) channels to 4 speakers... If there are several rows of seats or doesn't sit parallel (or moves around the room while listening to material) the RS series would be preferable as side surrounds. Insofar as Back speakers YMMV and my guess in most instances the direct firing would be better but the RS series would still work.
No question, I'm all about individual taste and preferences, and I like your example. I just take pause with the definitive nature of 'not being suited.'


In any case, I still find RS series to be more open and fuller sounding, and a better choice. However, in some cases like you gave, direct firing can be very good too.


I would not directly attribute bipole/dipole to prologic. It's a design that's been around for a good while and it's stood the test of time for discrete surround imaging.
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You guys have some nice systems! Six months ago I was going to get a sound bar with a sub, after hearing my cousins system I wanted towers. I know a lot of you guys on here have the higher end Klipsch speakers. I originally wanted the F-30's but ended up getting the better R-28F's at a steal ($500 for the pair). I'm very happy with them, I can afford the RF-82II's but I'm new to this and most of my funds are going elsewhere. I will be running a 3.1 set up for a while. I was going back and forth for a while about the center (RC-52II/RC-62II), but I think I'm going with the 52's and will be running everything on a Denon X4000 which I will be picking up this weekend. As far as the subs I'm thinking either SVS or JL Audio's. I might get the 82's later down the road, but it won't be anytime soon. Based on what I have are there any tweaks or recommendations you guys have for me???
Go for the 62 center. For me, it was a tremendous improvement and I never regretted upgrading it. Well worth it. The 52 is too small.

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You guys have some nice systems! Six months ago I was going to get a sound bar with a sub, after hearing my cousins system I wanted towers. I know a lot of you guys on here have the higher end Klipsch speakers. I originally wanted the F-30's but ended up getting the better R-28F's at a steal ($500 for the pair). I'm very happy with them, I can afford the RF-82II's but I'm new to this and most of my funds are going elsewhere. I will be running a 3.1 set up for a while. I was going back and forth for a while about the center (RC-52II/RC-62II), but I think I'm going with the 52's and will be running everything on a Denon X4000 which I will be picking up this weekend. As far as the subs I'm thinking either SVS or JL Audio's. I might get the 82's later down the road, but it won't be anytime soon. Based on what I have are there any tweaks or recommendations you guys have for me???

Weren't you here a week or two ago asking the same question about the center channel? I doubt anyone's opinion has changed. I'd suggest the R-25C because of voice matching, but to each his own. But, between the two mentioned, I'd just go with two towers and phantom center, so neither.


Which specific SVS and JL Audio models were you demoing?
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No question, I'm all about individual taste and preferences, and I like your example. I just take pause with the definitive nature of 'not being suited.'


In any case, I still find RS series to be more open and fuller sounding, and a better choice. However, in some cases like you gave, direct firing can be very good too.


I would not directly attribute bipole/dipole to prologic. It's a design that's been around for a good while and it's stood the test of time for discrete surround imaging.
I agree. I previously used some direct firing for my rears and my personal opinion is that they were more distracting than anything (which could absolutely be attributed to poor placement/room setup/etc on my part). I am using some RS-42IIs for my rears and find they make me feel more immersed in the movie I am watching.

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I use to have bookshelves for surrounds and I liked that they were directional. I want to know where the sound is coming from. Isn't that the whole point is to hear things directional, like you would in real life.

Now I use big ars centers for surround and the dual 8" woofers and center horn really open up the sound a bit more than a bookshelf, but is still directional like I want.

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I use to have bookshelves for surrounds and I liked that they were directional. I want to know where the sound is coming from. Isn't that the whole point is to hear things directional, like you would in real life.

Now I use big ars centers for surround and the dual 8" woofers and center horn really open up the sound a bit more than a bookshelf, but is still directional like I want.
You should always have your set up sound the way you want it. No question about that. Some folks like ceiling speakers for mains and center, and enjoy the sound coming from above like God. It's all about your individual tastes and goals for your set up.


That said, a lot of research has been done on this through blind and double blind listening tests and the conclusion is that surround sound is largely more favored by listening audiences if it's immersive vs directional. The results indicate that movie viewers are less distracted, and more entertained by the movie. They want the sound to come from the sides, as if it's happening in mid air, not coming from a speaker. That said, I still know that sound from the sides is coming from my RS-42 II, but with proper placement and Audyssey, it disappears into the room.


Also, you are right that your surround speakers are not as directional or 'beamy' as a typical bookshelf.
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I use to have bookshelves for surrounds and I liked that they were directional. I want to know where the sound is coming from. Isn't that the whole point is to hear things directional, like you would in real life.

Now I use big ars centers for surround and the dual 8" woofers and center horn really open up the sound a bit more than a bookshelf, but is still directional like I want.
That's the important part that we usually forget. It's your system, your room and your preference as what sounds good to you. All the peanut gallery can do is point people into a direction that will work for the majority of people. We try to point out things that have been tried and don't really work, like bi-wiring.
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