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Wow.. Thats some serious surround system Your rear surrounds cost more then most people's entire systems.. LOL

I am sure it sounds sweet.

Hopefully you never decide to go ATMOS as mounting the RF-7IIs on the ceiling is going to be difficult

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Heh....I already thought about that. But its not going to happen. People will just call me crazy.

You'll be surprised at some of these movie soundtracks having full range sound coming from the surround speakers. You'll notice that once you put the RF-82II where the surround goes. But once you get the RF-7II, you'll be tempted to do what I did. (Having 4 of them.)

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Heh....I already thought about that. But its not going to happen. People will just call me crazy.

You'll be surprised at some of these movie soundtracks having full range sound coming from the surround speakers. You'll notice that once you put the RF-82II where the surround goes. But once you get the RF-7II, you'll be tempted to do what I did. (Having 4 of them.)
When I bought mine RF-82II I use for 2 weeks before I sold my older F-3 and they did amazing job as surrounds and so as front wides it was great, I just don't have a room to keep them so I got RS-52II for surrounds and works great also. I think for some people can work surrounds with RF-82II pretty easily.

BTW what is your next project getting better subs?

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I didn't think sound tracks had anything below 80Hz in the surround channels. I guess if your not using dedicated subs and running large it may make a difference. RF-7 II only goes down to 30Hz though so in HT a dedicated sub seems like a must have now days.

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I didn't think sound tracks had anything below 80Hz in the surround channels. I guess if your not using dedicated subs and running large it may make a difference. RF-7 II only goes down to 30Hz though so in HT a dedicated sub seems like a must have now days.

I am a fan of 'overkill' but I agree with you. Fwiw, the reason to have RF-7s as side surrounds is for the larger compression driver and horn and I would still run them as Small and set a crossover if one had capable subs.
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When I bought mine RF-82II I use for 2 weeks before I sold my older F-3 and they did amazing job as surrounds and so as front wides it was great, I just don't have a room to keep them so I got RS-52II for surrounds and works great also. I think for some people can work surrounds with RF-82II pretty easily.

BTW what is your next project getting better subs?
Nope. Getting the Denon AVR-X7200W

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I didn't think sound tracks had anything below 80Hz in the surround channels.
You can have full range on ALL channels. Some movie soundtracks makes great use of it.


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I guess if your not using dedicated subs and running large it may make a difference. RF-7 II only goes down to 30Hz though so in HT a dedicated sub seems like a must have now days.
After running Audyssey, the crossover is set at 40Hz for the RF-7IIs on the AVR-4520CI.

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You can have full range on ALL channels. Some movie soundtracks makes great use of it.




After running Audyssey, the crossover is set at 40Hz for the RF-7IIs on the AVR-4520CI.

I think what he is saying is that movies mixed on Blu rays use the LFE track to send those lower notes because it's more efficient to do so and the mixers know most people use subwoofers and don't have speakers capable of hitting those lower notes.


That is also why your AVR-4520ci (and most other AVRs) lowest setting is 40 Hz.
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I think what he is saying is that movies mixed on Blu rays use the LFE track to send those lower notes because it's more efficient to do so and the mixers know most people use subwoofers and don't have speakers capable of hitting those lower notes.


That is also why your AVR-4520ci (and most other AVRs) lowest setting is 40 Hz.
Good thing I have the "LFE+main" on.

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Good thing I have the "LFE+main" on.

It's been awhile since we talked about Bass Management in this thread. That said, you have some very nice speakers and AVR and it appears your weak links are your RW-12s (and only compared to the rest of your system) I also imagine running your speakers as Large (or even crossing them over at 40 Hz and running them as small) helps compensate for that and in a large room (or even loud volumes) your external amp is beneficial...


Fwiw, if you (or others considering bang-for-your-buck) upgrades I can attest that having capable subs is a good way to go. They can go lower than your speakers and frees up you power supply to run your speakers more efficiently. Consider that you have 100 watts available to your speakers but larger subwoofers have many times that to hit notes being sent to them...In that scenario it won't take near as much to drive your speakers and anything below 80 Hz shouldn't be directional. I have most of my speakers crossed at 60 Hz because I sit pretty close to them and found they blend perfectly where I don't notice the subwoofers and the sound seems to be generated from the direction they were intended...Higher frequencies from the speakers give directional cues that you hear and the lower end is produced by the subs. My 2 cents.
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It's been awhile since we talked about Bass Management in this thread. That said, you have some very nice speakers and AVR and it appears your weak links are your RW-12s (and only compared to the rest of your system) I also imagine running your speakers as Large (or even crossing them over at 40 Hz and running them as small) helps compensate for that and in a large room (or even loud volumes) your external amp is beneficial...


Fwiw, if you (or others considering bang-for-your-buck) upgrades I can attest that having capable subs is a good way to go. They can go lower than your speakers and frees up you power supply to run your speakers more efficiently. Consider that you have 100 watts available to your speakers but larger subwoofers have many times that to hit notes being sent to them...In that scenario it won't take near as much to drive your speakers and anything below 80 Hz shouldn't be directional. I have most of my speakers crossed at 60 Hz because I sit pretty close to them and found they blend perfectly where I don't notice the subwoofers and the sound seems to be generated from the direction they were intended...Higher frequencies from the speakers give directional cues that you hear and the lower end is produced by the subs. My 2 cents.
Yes...I know the RW-12s are not the best subs.

But I'm curious about something. Everything in that room is plugged into one circuit breaker. If I did upgrade the subwoofers, would it be bad idea? I'm not sure how much power can go through that circuit breaker before it trips.

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Yes...I know the RW-12s are not the best subs.

But I'm curious about something. Everything in that room is plugged into one circuit breaker. If I did upgrade the subwoofers, would it be bad idea? I'm not sure how much power can go through that circuit breaker before it trips.



For the record, I wasn't dissing on your subs--Just conveying an opinion about Bass Management.


Insofar as tripping your breaker---I dunno. My guess is you have either a 15 or 20 Amp circuits and that you aren't coming close to tripping it unless you have a really large room. Even if you are running your speakers as Large your Emotiva probably isn't breaking a sweat and your AVR is only using what it takes to run the processors...


I have a 9.2 Home Theater being driven by an AVR-4311ci with everything but one sub going into a Monster Power Supply conditioner. Even at Reference level I've only been able to get the 3 amp light on and that is with our plasma tv also on. My subwoofer is rated at 625 w/continuous and 2400 watts RMS but only at about 1/4 volume at the sub.{Note my other sub is on another circuit because of the way the house designed not because we needed it.}
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For the record, I wasn't dissing on your subs--Just conveying an opinion about Bass Management.


Insofar as tripping your breaker---I dunno. My guess is you have either a 15 or 20 Amp circuits and that you aren't coming close to tripping it unless you have a really large room. Even if you are running your speakers as Large your Emotiva probably isn't breaking a sweat and your AVR is only using what it takes to run the processors...


I have a 9.2 Home Theater being driven by an AVR-4311ci with everything but one sub going into a Monster Power Supply conditioner. Even at Reference level I've only been able to get the 3 amp light on and that is with our plasma tv also on. My subwoofer is rated at 625 w/continuous and 2400 watts RMS but only at about 1/4 volume at the sub.{Note my other sub is on another circuit because of the way the house designed not because we needed it.}
3 amps. That's about 360 watts. According to this tool.
And this one.

I may consider upgrading my subs after I get the X7200. Not sure which ones as of yet.

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3 amps. That's about 360 watts. According to this tool.

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Yep--I have a pretty efficient setup and that includes the TV. {Note: At low volume the 2 amp is the one lit with everything going but I've never had the 4 amp LED go on.}
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Yes...I know the RW-12s are not the best subs.

But I'm curious about something. Everything in that room is plugged into one circuit breaker. If I did upgrade the subwoofers, would it be bad idea? I'm not sure how much power can go through that circuit breaker before it trips.
I have a Denon 4311 and Emotiva XPA 5 powering a JTR/Klipsch speaker combo. I have three subs, 2 passive powered by a Crown K2 pro amp(800 wpc) the other is an Epik Empire w/a 600 watt amp. My room is over 4000 cu ft.


All of this is on a single 15 amp circuit with no problems at all. I redlined the system once listening to music to test earplugs and did not trip the breaker, and never have. On occasion I've seen lights dim playing difficult material (think WOTW at reference). Having efficient speakers like yours helps keep the power needs down.

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