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I have a vaulted ceiling & therefore plan to use Klipsch PRO speakers IF I go Atmos...
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I have a vaulted ceiling & therefore plan to use Klipsch PRO speakers IF I go Atmos...

I don't know anything about their Pro line but after going to the website and checking them out they do look impressive...That said, they also are quite large.
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Ryan aka Reference_head gave me a demo of his pro KPT904's when I picked up my 7II's from him. They are very impressive and the way to go if you have the room. In fact impressive is kinda an understatement actually they were literally jaw dropping. I would consider them if I ever had a dedicated room in the future.

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Is it efficient using surrounds in this situation? When mounted, one side of the tweeter/woofer will point towards the TV area, while the other tweeter/woofer will point towards the back wall. Won't the sound just bounce off the back wall and travel towards TV area?
I would think that in this situation mounting them on the back wall in closer to the couch would be a good idea. My thinking is that one side of the speaker would fire towards the MLP and cascade along the back wall and the other would fire into the 12 foot wall and bounce back also towards MLP.

I have seen a lot of people on here with their rs's mounted on the rear wall and with the 42's I would want them a little closer to the seating position than 12 feet anyway.

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Ryan aka Reference_head gave me a demo of his pro KPT904's when I picked up my 7II's from him..
I have no doubt but mounting them on the ceiling would be somewhat of a chore.
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My first comment is that if you had 1.5-2K$ to spend and your father's Klipschorns, we'd be talking.

If the surrounds have sensitivity and power to be level-matched with your main, I don't see 12 feet as a problem. Often times the speakers are too close and the person closest to one only hears that one. So yeah, RB might be better than RS in this case.

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I'm putting a new home theater setup in the basement (well it'll be functional at least) and looking for recommendations for speakers. I'm going to be going with Klipsch (grew up listening to vinyl on my father's Klipschorns). Funny, when I went off to college, I bought some Cerwin-Vega's bookshelfs for my dorm room. When he found out, he made me return them and pick out any other bookshelfs, as long as the manufacturer began with a k and ended with an h. Ended up with some KG2.5's and still have them today!

Anyways, I'm torn with the rear setup for my home theater area. I'm not too concerned about cost, well within reason (thinking around 1500-2k). My theater area is 24x12 and the plasma will be mounted on in the center of 24 length wall, with the couch opposite of course. The ceiling height is about 7-8 ft.

With the special Klipsch is running now (getting a free sub with 5 speaker qualifying purchase), I'm looking at the following...

RF52II for the fronts
RC52II for the center
RS42II for the surrounds

My concern now is over the surrounds. They will be mounted in the corners of the room up near the ceiling on the 12 foot wall, so they would be maybe 2 feet or so above where your head would be sitting on the couch. And that also means they will be about 12 feet or so from the sitting area.

Is it efficient using surrounds in this situation? When mounted, one side of the tweeter/woofer will point towards the TV area, while the other tweeter/woofer will point towards the back wall. Won't the sound just bounce off the back wall and travel towards TV area?

I'm wondering if I should be looking at maybe RB41II's or even RB51II's instead of the surrounds.

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I would think that in this situation mounting them on the back wall in closer to the couch would be a good idea. My thinking is that one side of the speaker would fire towards the MLP and cascade along the back wall and the other would fire into the 12 foot wall and bounce back also towards MLP.

I have seen a lot of people on here with their rs's mounted on the rear wall and with the 42's I would want them a little closer to the seating position than 12 feet anyway.
Not sure why I didn't think of just mounting them on the back wall, thanks!!.

I can probably get them in another 2 feet on each side by mounting on the back wall, so they would be about 9-10 feet away on either side of the MLP (i guess this means main listening position??).

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My first comment is that if you had 1.5-2K$ to spend and your father's Klipschorns, we'd be talking.

If the surrounds have sensitivity and power to be level-matched with your main, I don't see 12 feet as a problem. Often times the speakers are too close and the person closest to one only hears that one. So yeah, RB might be better than RS in this case.
Unfortunately, they are already spoken for (2 older brothers ).

I'm wondering if that is the case then (surrounds being farther than normal), I should bump up to the RS52II's. The sensitivity on the RF52II and RC52II are both 96, while the sensitivity on the RS42II is 93 and the RS52II is 95.

I went by Klipsch's speaker selector program, which spit out the combo I initially inquired about.
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I don't know anything about their Pro line but after going to the website and checking them out they do look impressive...That said, they also are quite large.

so is my room...

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Not sure why I didn't think of just mounting them on the back wall, thanks!!.

I can probably get them in another 2 feet on each side by mounting on the back wall, so they would be about 9-10 feet away on either side of the MLP (i guess this means main listening position??).
Yeah MLP is main listening position. One reason I thought to bring them in closer is so that the outside driver has a little space before it reflects off of the wall and so it isn't firing directly in the corner. Not sure how big of a difference this would make but I would assume you would want at least 2 feet between it and the wall.

The 42's should be plenty but if you have the money nothing wrong with future proofing with the 52's. The sensitivity is good enough with your fronts that the difference in efficiency between the rs 42 and 52 isn't a big deal. 93 sensitivity is still pretty awesome.

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I've also come to realize that I want to keep my current receiver, which is 90w/2c driven. So going to a 5.1 system, I'm probably looking at more like what 75-80w/channel? So maybe the 42's (which are 75 RMS) would be more efficient. While the 52's would work, they could overwork my receiver.

Plus, I will be running a sub, so the low 36hz of the 52 would be more than taken care of by the sub, since I would probably crossover around 80hz.

Is my rationale correct? Am I missing something?
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I've also come to realize that I want to keep my current receiver, which is 90w/2c driven. So going to a 5.1 system, I'm probably looking at more like what 75-80w/channel? So maybe the 42's (which are 75 RMS) would be more efficient. While the 52's would work, they could overwork my receiver.

Plus, I will be running a sub, so the low 36hz of the 52 would be more than taken care of by the sub, since I would probably crossover around 80hz.

Is my rationale correct? Am I missing something?
From what I understand the RMS is the maximum power the speaker can handle. Even if you got the 52's you shouldn't have to worry about not having enough power if you aren't listening ridiculously loud.

You probably will only use 16 watts most for any given speaker during loud passages in movies and parts that require more power wont necessarily be playing out of all speakers at once.

For example* If your rf 52's are rated 96. Subtract how far you sit away from them and that is the real world sensitivity (Please someone correct me if I am wrong haha). So sitting 10 feet away the new sensitivity is 86. 1 watt gives you a maximum spl of 86 db at 10 feet. If you want peaks of 95 db during playback you double the required watts for each 3 db increase in spl. That would equal only 16 watts per speaker that is playing at 95 db.

Of course speaker placement and room layout effects all of this but you would be hard pressed to use more power than your receiver is capable of.

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I have no doubt but mounting them on the ceiling would be somewhat of a chore.
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I've also come to realize that I want to keep my current receiver, which is 90w/2c driven. So going to a 5.1 system, I'm probably looking at more like what 75-80w/channel? So maybe the 42's (which are 75 RMS) would be more efficient. While the 52's would work, they could overwork my receiver.

Plus, I will be running a sub, so the low 36hz of the 52 would be more than taken care of by the sub, since I would probably crossover around 80hz.

Is my rationale correct? Am I missing something?
52's aren't aren't going to over-work your AVR more than 42's. The more efficient the speaker, the less power it needs to obtain a certain sound level. The lesser efficient speaker needs more power to match it.

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52's aren't aren't going to over-work your AVR more than 42's. The more efficient the speaker, the less power it needs to obtain a certain sound level. The lesser efficient speaker needs more power to match it.
So at sound level 30 let's say, the 52 is going to require less power than the 42?
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So the 42 and up are pretty much identical in sq? Only reason for going with anything bigger than the 42 is for lower frequency capability?
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So at sound level 30 let's say, the 52 is going to require less power than the 42?
It's more like at 75dB, it will take less power to achieve this with the 52. The 42's will need more power to reach that level.

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So the 42 and up are pretty much identical in sq? Only reason for going with anything bigger than the 42 is for lower frequency capability?
First question: Kinda. They all have the same tweeter.
Second question: No. Lower freqs are "usually" inherent for a larger speaker. Also, as you go up in size for the RS series, you get a more efficient speaker.

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For example* If your rf 52's are rated 96. Subtract how far you sit away from them and that is the real world sensitivity (Please someone correct me if I am wrong haha). So sitting 10 feet away the new sensitivity is 86. 1 watt gives you a maximum spl of 86 db at 10 feet. If you want peaks of 95 db during playback you double the required watts for each 3 db increase in spl. That would equal only 16 watts per speaker that is playing at 95 db.

Of course speaker placement and room layout effects all of this but you would be hard pressed to use more power than your receiver is capable of.
The Subtract how far you sit away from them rule of thumb works only for a commonly used range of 7 to 11 feet or so, but it's a nice trick!

Here's a calculator:
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

Other than doubling power for every 3 dB increase, the other easy-to-remember numbers are 10x more power for a 10 dB increase (that's exact while the 3 dB rule is only approximately true).

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The Subtract how far you sit away from them rule of thumb works only for a commonly used range of 7 to 11 feet or so, but it's a nice trick!
Thanks, I didn't know there was a limit for it. Though I wish I had that much room to worry about it haha. Even with my surrounds being about 5 feet away their sensitivity roughly comes out to only 77. Hoping to upgrade to rs 42 or 52's at the beginning of next year.

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First question: Kinda. They all have the same tweeter.
Second question: No. Lower freqs are "usually" inherent for a larger speaker. Also, as you go up in size for the RS series, you get a more efficient speaker.

So as long as I have sufficient power going to the mains and also have a capable subwoofer there would be no reason to go with anything bigger than the rf-42, assuming the rf-42 gets to the spl I'm targeting?
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So as long as I have sufficient power going to the mains and also have a capable subwoofer there would be no reason to go with anything bigger than the rf-42, assuming the rf-42 gets to the spl I'm targeting?
The main problem with the RF-42 II is there is very little bass coming from it. I would suggest a XO point of 120Hz on the speakers and sub. However, that will localize the bass coming from the sub.

Anyone out there running RF-42 II's as your mains? What freq sounds the best for the XO?

If you already have the mains, there is no reason why you can't experiment. A sub company like SVS, which a lot of us recommend, offers a 45-day in-home trial period. They pay shipping to and fro. You can pick one of the smaller subs and give a run. Don't like it, just return it.

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So as long as I have sufficient power going to the mains and also have a capable subwoofer there would be no reason to go with anything bigger than the rf-42, assuming the rf-42 gets to the spl I'm targeting?

Not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish and the best advice I can give is stay within a comfortable budget. The second thing I can say is that size does matter when it comes to speaker design and a larger speaker is going to put out a more fuller sound, generally speaking. With the RF-42 you definitely want a sub but with larger speakers you are going to get a bigger sound and still would want a sub for the lower notes.
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Sorry, I should have explained better. I have a capable sub so I really don't need my mains to be capable of playing full range as I'll just set them to 80hz xo anyway.

I guess the real question I had was whether the different floor standing models all used the same tweeter? I assume that if they do then they should all also crossover internally at the same frequency? If both of these is true then there would be no difference if I were to get say the rf-42, rf-62 or even the rf-7?
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Well, the order is in!!! Couldn't hardly sleep last night, tossing and turning thinking, should I get the 42's or the 52's, the 42's or the 52's? Not sure why this was such a big decision.

Ended up going with...

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I figure if my AVR has issues (overwork/overheat) with the 52's, I guess I could sell the AVR and buy a new one. But my rationale was if I wanted to use the RF52's in another room, for 2ch sound, I would have the lower frequency for bass...more than the RF42's would have.

Also, doesn't the old saying apply...it's better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it...
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Sorry, I should have explained better. I have a capable sub so I really don't need my mains to be capable of playing full range as I'll just set them to 80hz xo anyway.

I guess the real question I had was whether the different floor standing models all used the same tweeter? I assume that if they do then they should all also crossover internally at the same frequency? If both of these is true then there would be no difference if I were to get say the rf-42, rf-62 or even the rf-7?

The compression driver for the RF-7s is quite a bit larger and it's mated to a larger horn and along with the two 10" LF drivers definitely is a better speaker throughout the spectrum...That said, the lower end models use similar Compression Drivers (1" compared to the RF-7s 1 3/4") to each other but have larger horns and LF drivers as you go up in price.


With that in mind consider budget and what I said about the larger speaker giving you a more full sound. The best thing to do is take an SPL meter and familiar material and audition speakers for yourself because a lot of this is subjective and what your expectations are.

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Well, the order is in!!! Couldn't hardly sleep last night, tossing and turning thinking, should I get the 42's or the 52's, the 42's or the 52's? Not sure why this was such a big decision.

Ended up going with...

RF52II
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I figure if my AVR has issues (overwork/overheat) with the 52's, I guess I could sell the AVR and buy a new one. But my rationale was if I wanted to use the RF52's in another room, for 2ch sound, I would have the lower frequency for bass...more than the RF42's would have.

Also, doesn't the old saying apply...it's better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it...
Should've gone with the RF62s. There is a BIG difference between the 52s and 62s. I know. I had the 52s for about a week before getting the 62s. I had them at the same time for a day and the little extra for the 62s is well worth it.

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Sorry, I should have explained better. I have a capable sub so I really don't need my mains to be capable of playing full range as I'll just set them to 80hz xo anyway.

I guess the real question I had was whether the different floor standing models all used the same tweeter? I assume that if they do then they should all also crossover internally at the same frequency? If both of these is true then there would be no difference if I were to get say the rf-42, rf-62 or even the rf-7?
IMO even when crossed over at 80 or even 100hz the larger the drivers the bigger the sound. The RF7 obviously at the to.

But each step up in size within the 42-82 range gets you an increase in bass or mid range output up to the crossover with the tweeter. Plus the larger 62 and 82 use a much larger horn than the 42 and 52.

You would be better off with the RB61 over the RF42 IMO.
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Rf52ii &rf62ii

Like Kini said they use the same 1 inch driver but the horn opening is bigger on the 62II's giving you a much bigger sound.
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