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post #40261 of 40281 Old Yesterday, 11:42 AM
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I don't listen at reference but the higher a speaker plays cleanly, the cleaner it will play at lower levels.
For max SPL, take the company's dB/W/M rating. That's where you start. Then, every time you double the power, increase the SPL 3 times.

So,for a speaker with 95dB/W/M, 2W will equal 98dB. Keep going until you reach the max power rating for the speaker.

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Thanks for talking me into going to demo them out. Happens to be a fry's, that has the whole lineup, only 20 min away. Too bad they aren't open today and no way I'm going there on Black Friday. Saturday it is! [emoji1]

I just wanted to get something that will tide me over for about 8 months when I'll end up with either the seatons or JTR.

Cool and that sound like a plan--both of the other speakers you mention have a great following but given it's this close to Christmas I imagine it's going to be hard to compare speakers in ANY store with the crowds and sales people being so occupied--Again, good luck.
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given it's this close to Christmas I imagine it's going to be hard to compare speakers in ANY store with the crowds and sales people being so occupied--Again, good luck.
WOT: (way off topic)


Wife wants me to drive into town tomorrow. Side note, I have to work tomorrow. I have a territory and I cover 4 different towns.


So, I get to drive 15 miles into town.... to buy about ten (10) Poinsettia plants at Home Depot (for .99 each). Drive 15 miles back to my house to unload them (at 7:00 A.M.) and then turn around and drive 35 miles to my morning destination.


I just hope the store isn't busy to slow me down.


I just love doing this kind of stuff.....
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I'd love to get a plus or ultra but the budget is limiting that option. Looks like I'm going with the PB-2000
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I'd love to get a plus or ultra but the budget is limiting that option. Looks like I'm going with the PB-2000
No worries if you can get PB-2000 go for it or maybe get PC-2000 I believe it will be even a bit better then PB-2000. Nice with SVS is 1 year trade up.

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What would be the difference between the PB and PC 2000?
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Please Advise for Inceiling Klipsch speakers
Media Room: 11 X 15
5.1 Prewired
KLIPSCH

Planning to buy

Front Right Center: KL6502THX THX Ultra2
Surround: Klipsch CDT-3800-C II

I appreciate your suggestions
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Please Advise for Inceiling Klipsch speakers
Media Room: 11 X 15
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KLIPSCH

Planning to buy

Front Right Center: KL6502THX THX Ultra2
Surround: Klipsch CDT-3800-C II

I appreciate your suggestions

Welcome to the thread and I hope you get the answers you are looking for, but I'm not really sure of the question. Those look like nice but the KL 6502 are an inwall speaker: http://www.klipsch.com/kl-6502-thx-in-wall-speaker and I don't see where they recommend putting them in-ceiling--The dispersion pattern wouldn't be conducive for that approach. Three of those up front in wall looks to be the way to go.

The CDT-3800 appear they could work but Klipsch has the KL-7502 and the KS-7502 which they recommend go with the Mains you are looking at and should have a fuller sound: http://www.klipsch.com/architectural-thx-speakers That said, I don't have experience with inwall/inceiling options and haven't seen anyone on this thread using the ones you are looking at as Mains but given you've posted this question several times suggest if you are looking for a specific answer pose the question on the Klipsch Forum on their website.
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I'd love to get a plus or ultra but the budget is limiting that option. Looks like I'm going with the PB-2000
Did you look at HSU? The VTF-3 MK4 would save you close to $100 and is a kick arse sub, specs show 1Hz lower than the PB-2000. http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk4.html

For about $100 more than the PB-2000 you could step up to the 15" VTF-15H that also specs down to 16Hz but with more output. http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

SVS and HSU make great Subs and have dedicated threads and followers on the forum. I'm sure you will be happy with any of them.

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For max SPL, take the company's dB/W/M rating. That's where you start. Then, every time you double the power, increase the SPL 3 times.

So,for a speaker with 95dB/W/M, 2W will equal 98dB. Keep going until you reach the max power rating for the speaker.
Up to a point, Most speakers start to compress at 1/10 of the rated power, or so. That's a major reason speakers sound more dynamic: they are not compressing at the power level they are used.

Take the Klpschorn: It has a sensitivity of 105 dB at 1W, but outputs 121 dB at 100W (4 dB short of it's goal).

The Rf-42ii has a 95 dB sensitivity and handles 75W, but I don't really expect 114 dB from it.

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The reason why I said that they should all sound similar from the xo point and above is because I had assumed that they all were using the same parts. Comparing brand A to brand B wouldn't be apples to apples in this sense.

In all honesty I'm just looking to find a speaker to tide me over till sometime next year and I was thinking klipsch would be it because AFAIK they easily bit reference levels.

I do not need a model that plays the lower octaves at all. As I said, I have a very capable sub (soon to be two). If anything, the only reason I was worried about going with the RF-42 is that I was afraid that it wouldn't be able to keep up with my sub/s.

Again, thank you guys for the friendly attitude towards my questions.
In this case I would recommend the rb-61ii. Imo they would be better than a rf42 and be a bookshelf in size.

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I wonder if the r-115sw is as good as was reported by one of the Klipsch employees (can't remember if it was chad or jay). He said he thought it was an upgrade and more musical than the RSW-15 and if it can be had at below the MSRP of $899 it could be a contender...


That said, I admit to being skeptical and haven't seen any reviews by anyone that has experience with a serious sub who has reported on it except for him.


Definitely ID subs has been the way to go and SVS has an outstanding reputation.
That could be a good value if they can be had below the retail as you said.

Im also skeptical its as good as the rsw15. In fact I don't think its in the same league as a rsw15 personally. But I will admit I'm letting past klipsch subs cloud my judgment. Id like to see the driver and compare. I know the rsw15 driver is pretty beefy.

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I'm looking into the following BF deal and would like some suggestions on whether this would be a good package for me? Also, is this a good deal?

2 RF-82II Towers
1 RC-62II Center Speaker
2 RS-52II Surround Speakers
2 RB-61II Bookshelf Speakers
2 SW-310 900 Watt Subwoofer
2 WA-2 Wireless kits
1 Onkyo TX-NR838 7.2-Ch Network A/V Receiver


$3449


I have a 7.2 prewired media room that's 21' x 15'.

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Up to a point, Most speakers start to compress at 1/10 of the rated power, or so. That's a major reason speakers sound more dynamic: they are not compressing at the power level they are used.

Take the Klpschorn: It has a sensitivity of 105 dB at 1W, but outputs 121 dB at 100W (4 dB short of it's goal).

The Rf-42ii has a 95 dB sensitivity and handles 75W, but I don't really expect 114 dB from it.

That's why I was asking for a graph [emoji4] and by that I meant sweeps.
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That's why I was asking for a graph [emoji4] and by that I meant sweeps.

And I can't help but thinking if a bottom of ANY line could give you what you were asking insofar at Reference Level then it would be Game Over.

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What would you guys recommend for surrounds for a 5.1 setup. I can get the RS 42s and the RB-61s for the same price.

What I have at the moment:
2x RF-82s for L,R
RC-62 for Center

I only have one row of seating and don't really plan on going to 7.1. Would the RB-61s be better for my uses?
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What would you guys recommend for surrounds for a 5.1 setup. I can get the RS 42s and the RB-61s for the same price.

What I have at the moment:
2x RF-82s for L,R
RC-62 for Center

I only have one row of seating and don't really plan on going to 7.1. Would the RB-61s be better for my uses?
I don't have an easy answer for you not knowing your room layout but I would rather have a 7.1 situation with 4 RB-61s going toward your MLP than 2 RS-42s going away from It in a 5.1 configuration...
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I don't have an easy answer for you not knowing your room layout but I would rather have a 7.1 situation with 4 RB-61s going toward your MLP than 2 RS-42s going away from It in a 5.1 configuration...
Thanks for your feedback. My room is like this:



The speakers would go on either side of the sofa.
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Thanks for your feedback. My room is like this:



The speakers would go on either side of the sofa.

I have never heard the RS line, but I do like the RB-61 for one row seating. IMHO direct firing is best unless you have multiple rows that need a wide disperse speaker. I would set the RB-61 II's to the sides about 1-2 feet above ear level (while siting). You can play around with actual side placement as well. I have mine slightly back from the side and angled toward main listing position. I no longer use the RB-61 II's in my theater room, but still have them in a bedroom and they are nice speakers.

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What would you guys recommend for surrounds for a 5.1 setup. I can get the RS 42s and the RB-61s for the same price.

What I have at the moment:
2x RF-82s for L,R
RC-62 for Center

I only have one row of seating and don't really plan on going to 7.1. Would the RB-61s be better for my uses?
I agree with Zen. The RB61's would be my choice as well.

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What would you guys recommend for surrounds for a 5.1 setup. I can get the RS 42s and the RB-61s for the same price.

What I have at the moment:
2x RF-82s for L,R
RC-62 for Center

I only have one row of seating and don't really plan on going to 7.1. Would the RB-61s be better for my uses?
Well, I'll provide the counter-point to the two previous suggestions. IMHO RS-series speakers are tailor-made for a layout like yours. Since your room forces you to place your surround speakers so close to your main listening position, they'll be pretty easy to localize -- even more so if you use direct-radiating RB-61's. Using WDST surrounds will mitigate this "beamy" effect to some degree while still providing plenty of discrete sound information when required. I've tried both monopole surrounds and WDST surrounds in a layout very similar to yours and preferred the WDST speakers hands-down.

In fact, right now in my upstairs bonus room I have WF-35 mains, a WC-24 center, and two WS-24 surrounds flanking a couch -- much like your potential layout. I've been very pleased with this setup.
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