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Okay So I finally got an answer from Klipsch about which speakers I should use for an Atmos set up if I am using RF-82 II as my mains. Here is the responds I got...

"You would use your RS-62 II Surround speakers as the main side-surround speakers located to the left/right of your main seating area, located about 2-3 feet above ear-height while seated. Then for the "rear back" or "rear-center" speakers, you could use some RB-61 II bookshelf models.

The CDT-5800-C II in-ceiling speakers will be sonically matched with the other Reference II models. "

So hopefully this will help anyone looking at doing an in ceiling Atmos setup.
For a definitive answer to best speaker would be to contact Doby. I can see possibly using the RS for 5.1.4, but if you have back surrounds I just don't know if I agree with whoever you talked to at Klipsch. Seems overkill and possibly a bad idea to be throwing sounds around that may be better localized. What I mean is, Atmos is using so many speakers and localizing the sound to be "positioned". Just not sure I would trust some guy selling a particular brand speaker. For a definitive answer I would only trust Dolby. Just my 2 cents.

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Wow good to know and thank goodness I got the CDT-5800's from NFM for 65% off. They are scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. I can't wait to get them installed but it might not be until next year due to the holidays.
How did you get 65% off. I'm thinking about them but I can see on nfm web just 55%off.

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Congrats on the 82s... and welcome to the "Towers As Surrounds" club!

In my 5.1 setup, I originally had SF-2 tower fronts. I eventually replaced them with SF-3 towers, boxed up my little SS-1 surrounds, and moved the SF-2s to surround duty. WOW... what a difference! I now have RF-7 II fronts / RC-64 II center... so I boxed up the SF-2s and moved the SF-3s to surround... and I have now achieved personal sonic Nirvana.

I understand, of course, that some might argue that the SF-3s are a sonic "mis-match" with the RFs... but I don't find that to be a problem. I'm 80% music / 20% movies, and other than a few "concert" DVDs/BDs, I only listen to music as 2-channel WAV files. So for music, the SF-3 "surrounds" don't really come into play. Also, I'm primarily a classical and jazz guy, but I also listen to classic rock and some electronic/soundtrack (nothing bass-centric, though), so I run the 7 IIs as large, with my SVS SB12 sub added in as "Extra Bass"... and the musical result in my 2,100+ cu ft living room, is sublime.

For movies, the SF-3 towers provide an incredible amount of detail to the surround channels... significantly more than the smaller SF-2s, and infinitely more than the original SS-1s. And again, since the content being played by the surrounds is -- in my case -- primarily what I'll call "locational", and almost never purely musical... the theoretical sonic mis-match is irrelevant.

The contribution to the surround signals' locational clarity and sonic accuracy over that provided by smaller bipole or dipole speakers, however -- again, in my case -- is enormous.

Glad you're happy with the new setup! As time goes on, your ears will accommodate more and more to the fuller sound provided by the tower surrounds... and I'm betting you'll "never go back".
You have a very nice setup and it sounds like you really enjoy it - which is what its all about.

I highly doubt I will ever go back, the towers sound oh so sweet. So I says to my wife, just think if we move the 82's to sides, 62's to the back and RF 7's up front. Wife - "Holy Christ, these things haven't even been here long enough to dent the carpet!" I would say I am about where you are - 80% music 20% movies. I am looking forward to sitting back after work Friday, drinking copious amounts of IPA's and listening to my tunes.

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How did you get 65% off. I'm thinking about them but I can see on nfm web just 55%off.
When I bought mine from NFM they said they were 65% off but the price ended up being the same $179.99 which is what I paid for them. They said that they wouldn't ship until Dec 24th but UPS says I have 4 packages from them coming tomorrow so I am assuming that it is them since I got everything else I ordered from them.

So one thing I can say about them is their website / system is NOT reliable when it comes to shipping

Also make sure if you haven't ordered from them before that your billing / shipping address match or at least is listed on your credit card.

I never ordered from them before but ended up getting the RF-82's, RC-62 and the Ceiling Speakers in 3 consecutive days / orders. The prices were just too good to pass up!
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As I mentioned in a previous post I got my RF-82's and RC-62 from NFM and the boxes looked like they went around the world and back. The Center and one of the RF's are fine the other RF has a very slight scratch in the back that goes all the way across it that coincides with a nice puncture in the box. Interestingly enough the plastic bag wasn't damaged.

It is such a slight / light scratch I don't know what to do, I got them for such a good deal that it almost isn't worth going through the trouble of sending it back.

Oh and these things are HUGE!!! I got the measurements before I ordered them but wasn't really thinking about the depth. Now I just need to wait until my new AVR shows up hopefully tomorrow! It is torture just having them sit here / looking at them and not being able to play with them.
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As I mentioned in a previous post I got my RF-82's and RC-62 from NFM and the boxes looked like they went around the world and back. The Center and one of the RF's are fine the other RF has a very slight scratch in the back that goes all the way across it that coincides with a nice puncture in the box. Interestingly enough the plastic bag wasn't damaged.

It is such a slight / light scratch I don't know what to do, I got them for such a good deal that it almost isn't worth going through the trouble of sending it back.

Oh and these things are HUGE!!! I got the measurements before I ordered them but wasn't really thinking about the depth. Now I just need to wait until my new AVR shows up hopefully tomorrow! It is torture just having them sit here / looking at them and not being able to play with them.
Trust me you will BE happy . I am super happy with these RF82 II's over my old KG5.5's. Heck i might use the extra set as rears as being mentioned here.. Let us know how you like them once your receiver arrives.

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Ya will try these options. I will swap the speakers and see. It was only right channel that sound is cmin from. I will try changing the left to right to see if problems persists. Thanks for the replies folks.
Did you buy your AVR from accessories4less; one of friend had a similar issue and found out there is an issue with one of the channels of the AVR. He bought SR5008 from them
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For a definitive answer to best speaker would be to contact Doby. I can see possibly using the RS for 5.1.4, but if you have back surrounds I just don't know if I agree with whoever you talked to at Klipsch. Seems overkill and possibly a bad idea to be throwing sounds around that may be better localized. What I mean is, Atmos is using so many speakers and localizing the sound to be "positioned". Just not sure I would trust some guy selling a particular brand speaker. For a definitive answer I would only trust Dolby. Just my 2 cents.
Okay I may be wrong on this but... I don't believe Dolby certifies speakers. I could not find anything that says they do or any speakers that are Dolby certified. Like how THX certifies speakers. (if I am wrong please anyone let me know and where to find that). Dolby does certify AV receivers, sound systems, studios, etc. My point to that is that is that I don't think Dolby can give you as an informed answer on products they don't certify as the manufacturers can. This wasn't just some guy selling this particular brand it was group inc. team product support at Klipsch. I contacted Klipsch a few weeks back via their website and that was the answer I got back from them in an email. There was no sales speech or pushing products to me. Just telling me which speakers they recommended for a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos with RF-82 II as mains. My point is I don't know that dolby would know enough about Klipsch to tell you which one to use over another. Think how many speaker companies there are out there that can do Dolby surround sound. I would be surprised if Dolby could answer product information on all those speakers.

So I did look to see what Dolby does say about speaker recommendation for Atmos 7.1.4 setup. For in ceiling Atmos, Dolby on their website that their recommendation says "Overhead speakers. Full-range speakers with wide dispersion characteristics, plus timbre and power matched to your primary speakers, are ideal choices here." For Basic setup Dolby says "Dolby Atmos home theaters can be built upon traditional 5.1 and 7.1 layouts. For Dolby Atmos, the nomenclature differs slightly: a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos system is a traditional 7.1 layout with four ceiling or Dolby Atmos enabled speakers" (they say in another spot on their web site Atmos enabled speakers are upward firing speakers). My point to the basic set up is I trust that Klipsch has work with and tested 7.1 system enough to know which speakers to us and then to be able to add to the .4 ceilings speakers that meet Dolby recomendation of full range speaker with wide dispersion characteristics, plus timbre and power match... Then I trust Klipsch has tested this setup. So when Klipsch says which speakers they recommend for a 7.1.4 setup and it falls in line with what I found from Dolby that seems pretty trustworthy to me. However I am writing up a message to contact Dolby and see if they are able to tell me different on Klipsch's products. I will let you know if I hear from them on which Klipsch products they recommend. As I have said I am still learning about Atmos and so any information is greatly appreciated.
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Okay I may be wrong on this but... I don't believe Dolby certifies speakers. I could not find anything that says they do or any speakers that are Dolby certified. Like how THX certifies speakers. (if I am wrong please anyone let me know and where to find that). Dolby does certify AV receivers, sound systems, studios, etc. My point to that is that is that I don't think Dolby can give you as an informed answer on products they don't certify as the manufacturers can. This wasn't just some guy selling this particular brand it was group inc. team product support at Klipsch. I contacted Klipsch a few weeks back via their website and that was the answer I got back from them in an email. There was no sales speech or pushing products to me. Just telling me which speakers they recommended for a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos with RF-82 II as mains. My point is I don't know that dolby would know enough about Klipsch to tell you which one to use over another. Think how many speaker companies there are out there that can do Dolby surround sound. I would be surprised if Dolby could answer product information on all those speakers.

So I did look to see what Dolby does say about speaker recommendation for Atmos 7.1.4 setup. For in ceiling Atmos, Dolby on their website that their recommendation says "Overhead speakers. Full-range speakers with wide dispersion characteristics, plus timbre and power matched to your primary speakers, are ideal choices here." For Basic setup Dolby says "Dolby Atmos home theaters can be built upon traditional 5.1 and 7.1 layouts. For Dolby Atmos, the nomenclature differs slightly: a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos system is a traditional 7.1 layout with four ceiling or Dolby Atmos enabled speakers" (they say in another spot on their web site Atmos enabled speakers are upward firing speakers). My point to the basic set up is I trust that Klipsch has work with and tested 7.1 system enough to know which speakers to us and then to be able to add to the .4 ceilings speakers that meet Dolby recomendation of full range speaker with wide dispersion characteristics, plus timbre and power match... Then I trust Klipsch has tested this setup. So when Klipsch says which speakers they recommend for a 7.1.4 setup and it falls in line with what I found from Dolby that seems pretty trustworthy to me. However I am writing up a message to contact Dolby and see if they are able to tell me different on Klipsch's products. I will let you know if I hear from them on which Klipsch products they recommend. As I have said I am still learning about Atmos and so any information is greatly appreciated.
Yeah, I'm not sure. What I meant though is they (Dolby) could possibly tell you what type (not brand) they recommend. Like direct firing compared to wide disperse for that particular setup. My only concern is that Klipsch might just have a generic answer that the RS is to be recommended for side surrounds and that it might not be the best solution in a 7.1.4 Atmos system since they currently don't have any Atmos speakers. I'm sure they will be recommending something different when they do have Atmos, but for now they might (speculation) just be following the same generic recommendation for side surrounds. I say generic because without a specialist in your room, that is all it can be.


I'm sure either way it will sound nice, but in this early stage the only real way to know is to ask Dolby, or get an Atmos professional to come visit your room. Why throw money at a wide disperse speaker if it's not needed, or worse not what was intended to be used.

Edit: I just did a quick scan of the 7.1.4 setup guide and the only spot I seen localization mentioned was for the rear surrounds. I did not read the whole white paper again, but just clicked on the + tabs for the 7.1.4 picture. This might be where I read the localization part to begin with. I just remember reading (and probably assuming too) that Atmos was based on localization and pinpointing of sound. Seems logical (to me anyway) that with being surrounded by so many speakers why would you need a RS type speaker.

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...the towers sound oh so sweet. So I says to my wife, just think if we move the 82's to sides, 62's to the back and RF 7's up front. Wife - "Holy Christ, these things haven't even been here long enough to dent the carpet!"

I would say I am about where you are - 80% music 20% movies. I am looking forward to sitting back after work Friday, drinking copious amounts of IPA's and listening to my tunes.
Ahhh... RF-7 IIs. Now you're talkin'.

I know from your other posts that you're a little more of a "bass-head" than I am. But you also seem pretty content with your PB-2000 / PB-1000 combo... as opposed to feeling like nothing less than two PB13 Ultras will do: a sentiment which I find to be both reasonable and admirable.

As I've intimated... the only music I listen to that includes tones lower than the final "A" on a piano (27.5Hz) are some classical organ works, some electronic pieces by folks like Wendy Carlos, Tomita, Vangelis and J.N. Howard, and a fair number of Sci-Fi/Fantasy soundtracks. For reference, the lowest note on a 5- or 6-string bass guitar is a "B", at 30.87Hz, and most large pipe organs stop at 16.35Hz (a "C"), although the largest ones drop another octave down, to the final "C", at 8.18Hz. I suppose that with modern electronic synthesizers, there is no low-end limit.

The other thing is... I rarely listen above -15dB on my Yamaha 2010, and never above -10. But in my room, -15 is "realistically" loud... and I gotta tell ya, when I'm listening to the really subtle and fairly quiet lower-frequency electronic stuff (or some intricate jazzy acoustic bass), the full-range low-bass output of the RF-7 IIs is phenomenally tight. And in combo with my "meager" little SVS SB12, it's ethereal.

Point is... I'd be willing to bet that if your wife likes music as much as you do, and she got to listen to it through some 7 IIs, she'd have the same grin on her face as you... in spite of how "big" they are.

Have a great Friday evening!
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One minor issue that I found along the QC front - the top left corner of one of the 82's has a rough edge to it. Like the vinyl was not cleanly finished when wrapped. Its not visible to the eye and you would never know it was there unless you ran your had over that corner - not worth the effort to do anything with, but it plays on my OCD.
I also noticed some minor QC issues with the RF-82IIs (and other made-in-China Klipsch speakers) here and there. It played on my OCD as well but I got over it fairly quickly. And I haven't noticed such issues on my RF-7IIs or RC-64, but those do have a wood veneer finish as opposed to vinyl so it's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison.
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Wow good to know and thank goodness I got the CDT-5800's from NFM for 65% off. They are scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. I can't wait to get them installed but it might not be until next year due to the holidays.
I'm so tempted to order some CDT-5800's from NFM because of their phenomenal pricing. In fact, I'd originally planned to go with in-ceiling speakers for Atmos top-middle speakers but it'd require removing some canned lighting in my HT room and I'm not totally sure of where I'd want to install them. So, because of their ease of installation and placement flexibility, for now I'm sticking with my plan of using AW-525's as my Atmos ceiling speakers -- unfortunately I haven't seen a blowout sale on them yet!
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Ahhh... RF-7 IIs. Now you're talkin'.

...the full-range low-bass output of the RF-7 IIs is phenomenally tight.
Would you say the bass / midbass snap is just as tight as the '82s?
I read a couple of people saying the RF-7 IIs sounded 'boomy.'
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Pics, or it didn't happen...
Boom.


No need for CDT-5800's boys...
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Boom.


No need for CDT-5800's boys...
Good, very good.
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Boom.


No need for CDT-5800's boys...
Very, very nice job!

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Did you buy your AVR from accessories4less; one of friend had a similar issue and found out there is an issue with one of the channels of the AVR. He bought SR5008 from them
I purchased my 4520 from them and it has been working fine for the last year... No problems. If you are worried the extended warranty is not much or you can buy BNIB for pretty close to the same price from AVS.

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Just ordered a set of RF-7 IIs and an RC-64 II! I'll give full impressions vs. my Ref IV RF-82s/RC-62 when they come in!

The guy I talked to said that the whole Reference line up is changing drastically in 2015 and that the new RF-7 II replacements (June/Jul/Aug) timeframe will MSRP for like $4,500/pair. Pretty major changes coming. Atmos?

I got a killer price on these and can't be dropping $4,500 just on mains. Hopefully it's enough of an upgrade from my '82s.
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I got a killer price on these and can't be dropping $4,500 just on mains. Hopefully it's enough of an upgrade from my '82s.
Congrats on the 7's. I guess I'll be disappointed if $4500 is going to "bridge the gap" between the reference series and palladium. From a numbers standpoint, yes it does technically do that, but that's a lot of money for an average person to have sitting in just mains. Maybe they sound hella cool and I'm only blowing sunshine outta my though...
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Congrats on the 7's. I guess I'll be disappointed if $4500 is going to "bridge the gap" between the reference series and palladium. From a numbers standpoint, yes it does technically do that, but that's a lot of money for an average person to have sitting in just mains. Maybe they sound hella cool and I'm only blowing sunshine outta my though...
Yeah, who knows what's coming. We can assume Atmos-something (Atmos doesn't do much for me as I'm room-bound to 5.1 pretty much (no ability to do side surrounds.) I wonder if they'd move to a 3-way setup on the Ref line? Who knows.
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one of my RF82 making a loud pop. It is like there is hiss noise that builds up for 4 or 5 secconds and then comed out the fart. after the fart the speaker sounds fine as like it is releaved. This is happening occasionally regardless of volume or source. My receiver is Marantz SR5008. Is there something wrong with receiver or wiring. Because speaker sounds very much fine unlike that fart occasionally.

Hmm...If you didn't mention the hiss sound I was thinkin' it could be placement issues and a room (wall)/speaker anomaly--that said, 4 or 5 seconds of hiss leading up to it makes me think it's a speaker or AVR issue, depending if the sound travels with the speaker as others mentioned.
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