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Merry Christmas to everyone..

I have recently setup a klipsch 7.1 setup. I am not very pleased with the sound, bit bright and low on bass.

Here is my configuration, please suggest me the recommended settings.

AVR: Denon X4000
All speakers are set to Small.
Crossover set to 80 Hz for all speakers
LPF for LFE set to 120 Hz
Subwoofer mode : LFE
Dynamic Volume: off
Subwoofer volume Level: -3.5 db

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Fronts: RF 82 II
Center: RC 62 II
Surround: RS 54 II
Rear: RS 42 II

Subwoofer: SVS PB 2000
Volume set to 12o Clock
Low Pass Filter set to 120Hz
Phase set to 0

I ran the audyssey on the receiver but still feel something is missing..
I had a similar experience last week with a similar setup. I must've messed with the receiver settings/sub placement for at least 6hrs. The last thing I did before giving up was swapping my old Pioneer VSX-32 with the Denon. Right away I noticed that both the sub and the RF82II's sounded better with the Pioneer. I was surprised since the Pioneer is weaker and is almost 4 years older.

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Everything looks good except turn your sub volume up to about 2-3 o'clock. Low pass filter on sub should be disabled or maxed out. If you still think they are too bright then shut audyssey off and goto manual eq mode and adjust to a house curve per your liking. Another thing you could do is put your mains at full range which in turn bypasses any XO.
Why does the sub need to be turned up higher? I've always had my PB2000 in the 12-1 o'clock range. Depending on the room it would set the trim on my Pioneer/Denon to -3 to -4.5. I was told by the guys at SVS that as long as it's not in the positive side that it was fine. I also gives me a little room to turn up the sub a few dbs if I want.

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Merry Christmas to everyone..

I have recently setup a klipsch 7.1 setup. I am not very pleased with the sound, bit bright and low on bass.

Here is my configuration, please suggest me the recommended settings.

AVR: Denon X4000
All speakers are set to Small.
Crossover set to 80 Hz for all speakers
LPF for LFE set to 120 Hz
Subwoofer mode : LFE
Dynamic Volume: off
Subwoofer volume Level: -3.5 db

Speakers:
Fronts: RF 82 II
Center: RC 62 II
Surround: RS 54 II
Rear: RS 42 II

Subwoofer: SVS PB 2000
Volume set to 12o Clock
Low Pass Filter set to 120Hz
Phase set to 0

I ran the audyssey on the receiver but still feel something is missing..
What is source? If it is Blu-ray - did you turn on bit streaming on your player audio settings

Denon X4000 is on the brighter side; but I suggest re-run your audyssey with multiple positions (4 or more) and make sure you are selecting DTS-MA or Dolby TrueHD on your AVR to get SQ of your liking
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Thanks for all your replies.

I will increase the volume on the sub and see if it improves the sound.

Also, How do I get the sound crispness with these speakers? what factors for the crispness in the sound? Is it the crossover frequency or by design, these speakers are bright?

I had always set my sound mode to Dolby Surrounds (PL II Cinema), changed the sound mode to DTS but do not see noticeable difference.
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Why does the sub need to be turned up higher? I've always had my PB2000 in the 12-1 o'clock range. Depending on the room it would set the trim on my Pioneer/Denon to -3 to -4.5. I was told by the guys at SVS that as long as it's not in the positive side that it was fine. I also gives me a little room to turn up the sub a few dbs if I want.
He asked why his system was lacking in bass. I told him to turn the sub volume up. Most SVS owners and especially the ones that came from a cheap budget boomy sub that thought it sounded loud but actually was distortion are not used to the flat smooth bass from an SVS. Most need to turn the volume up and 2-3 o'clock seems to be the desired mark to achieve what the owner wants. I'm not saying everyone does that but most run an SVS 3-6 db's hot.

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Everything looks good except turn your sub volume up to about 2-3 o'clock. Low pass filter on sub should be disabled or maxed out. If you still think they are too bright then shut audyssey off and goto manual eq mode and adjust to a house curve per your liking. Another thing you could do is put your mains at full range which in turn bypasses any XO.
The sub volume (gain) does not need turned up if the AVR is setting it at -3.5. You only need to raise this if the AVR is setting it in the plus (+). This control is different for every room.
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Merry Christmas to everyone..

I have recently setup a klipsch 7.1 setup. I am not very pleased with the sound, bit bright and low on bass.

Here is my configuration, please suggest me the recommended settings.

AVR: Denon X4000
All speakers are set to Small.
Crossover set to 80 Hz for all speakers
LPF for LFE set to 120 Hz
Subwoofer mode : LFE
Dynamic Volume: off
Subwoofer volume Level: -3.5 db

Speakers:
Fronts: RF 82 II
Center: RC 62 II
Surround: RS 54 II
Rear: RS 42 II

Subwoofer: SVS PB 2000
Volume set to 12o Clock
Low Pass Filter set to 120Hz
Phase set to 0

I ran the audyssey on the receiver but still feel something is missing..
Run Audyssey again and keep the mic close to the main listening position. Don't spread it out to each seat in the room. Just move it 6" left/right/front/back. Also be sure to use a mic boom, or camera stand. You may find you just don't like horns. If all else fails try using the Mains+LFE feature.

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Thanks for all your replies.

I will increase the volume on the sub and see if it improves the sound.

Also, How do I get the sound crispness with these speakers? what factors for the crispness in the sound? Is it the crossover frequency or by design, these speakers are bright?

I had always set my sound mode to Dolby Surrounds (PL II Cinema), changed the sound mode to DTS but do not see noticeable difference.
If you turn up the volume on your sub than be sure to run Audyssey again. You don't need to turn it up if Audyssey detected it at -3.5. I have a different sub, but my subs are off at 6:30 at I have mine set around 8 o'clock (and that's probably a tad high). This really means nothing though, as every room is different and 10 people can have your same sub but have completely different volume settings. Room size, and room treatments play a big factor in the sub volume. No two rooms are a like. If your AVR gets anywhere near +- 12 you need to adjust the volume. -3.5 is a good setting though. If you like to run a little hot than try adjusting the SPL in the AVR (not subs volume control) to -0.5 . This will set your sub 3db hot and is a common practice. I run mine 3db hot.

Also follow my last suggestion and run Audyssey again.
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Merry Christmas to everyone..

I have recently setup a klipsch 7.1 setup. I am not very pleased with the sound, bit bright and low on bass.

Here is my configuration, please suggest me the recommended settings.

AVR: Denon X4000
All speakers are set to Small.
Crossover set to 80 Hz for all speakers
LPF for LFE set to 120 Hz
Subwoofer mode : LFE
Dynamic Volume: off
Subwoofer volume Level: -3.5 db

Speakers:
Fronts: RF 82 II
Center: RC 62 II
Surround: RS 54 II
Rear: RS 42 II

Subwoofer: SVS PB 2000
Volume set to 12o Clock
Low Pass Filter set to 120Hz
Phase set to 0

I ran the audyssey on the receiver but still feel something is missing..
Is this a whole new setup?

Either way make sure that your Center Channel Speaker is properly angled up or down so that the center of it is aimed properly at your MLP.

You front Mains should at least 6 to 8 feet apart (or more) and "Toed In" also towards the MLP. I have a very similar setup as you and I love it.

Other things that could cause an issue is / are Hardwood Floors, not a lot of material around the room to absorb the sound. Even something as simple as a glass table somewhere in the area of the MLP can cause the setup to over compensate.

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The sub volume (gain) does not need turned up if the AVR is setting it at -3.5. You only need to raise this if the AVR is setting it in the plus (+). This control is different for every room.
The sub volume needs to be turned up if my ears says it needs to be turned up. Again it depends on what the listener desires for bass. Yes the room does make the difference in where you should start your volume at when calibrating. Some people prefer running their subs more than 6db's hot. Btw he could go 3 db's hotter and still be at -0.5. He would still be in the negative lol. Is that ok for you?

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Btw he could go 3 db's hotter and still be at -0.5. He would still be in the negative lol. Is that ok for you?
He already mentioned that... lol

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If you like to run a little hot than try adjusting the SPL in the AVR (not subs volume control) to -0.5 . This will set your sub 3db hot and is a common practice. I run mine 3db hot.

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For my 3rd response and last response which is the same as my first and second response simply TURN UP THE BASS!!!

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The sub volume needs to be turned up if my ears says it needs to be turned up. Again it depends on what the listener desires for bass. Yes the room does make the difference in where you should start your volume at when calibrating. Some people prefer running their subs more than 6db's hot. Btw he could go 3 db's hotter and still be at -0.5. He would still be in the negative lol. Is that ok for you?
You missed my point. You don't adjust gain by the sub volume. -3.5 is a very good spot for Audyssey.

Edit: If you want to run hot, you adjust the AVR.
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Turn sub volume up to 2-3 o'clock. Rerun audyssey. Should now be around -8 to -9. Check with SPL meter to see exactly how hot your running. Adjust again per your liking. My sub runs at 81 dbs with test tone.

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Turn sub volume up to 2-3 o'clock. Rerun audyssey. Should now be around -8 to -9. Check with SPL meter to see exactly how hot your running. Adjust again per your liking. My sub runs at 81 dbs with test tone.
I'm not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to point out that no matter where he sets his subs volume control Audyssey is going to compensate and adjust it to Reference, unless it reads -+12 (as that as far as Audyssey can adjust). His first attempt was fine as Audyssey detected him as being 3.5 hot already. If he adjust his "AVR" setting to -0.5 he would now be running 3db hot.

-3.5 setting with the subs volume control is a pretty good spot. You don't want to be to far off from zero in the AVR, but if he run 3db hot (adjusting the AVR) he will be about as close to zero as your going to get.

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gsrinivas, I forgot to mention that you might try crossover at 60Hz and see if that helps you.
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Merry Christmas everyone! Can anyone recommend me some decent budget speaker stands for RB-61s as surrounds? I'm thinking around 40-45" in height. Cheers.
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I'm not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to point out that no matter where he sets his subs volume control Audyssey is going to compensate and adjust it to Reference, unless it reads -+12 (as that as far as Audyssey can adjust). His first attempt was fine as Audyssey detected him as being 3.5 hot already. If he adjust his "AVR" setting to -0.5 he would now be running 3db hot.

-3.5 setting with the subs volume control is a pretty good spot. You don't want to be to far off from zero in the AVR, but if he run 3db hot (adjusting the AVR) he will be about as close to zero as your going to get.

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Just bought some "RB-61 II" at 55% discount because of some cosmetic damage to the covers.

Would love to get some RF-62 II but i dont have room for them currently.
When i do have room these can become the rears for 5.1
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I think I need an amp (or amps) for my RF-7IIs LOL. Got a little carried away with the volume yesterday demoing some LFE content and one of my RF-7IIs let me know it wasn't happy with my DENON. Ooops!
Either that, or I just need to get a sub and give both my RF-7S and my AVR a break. Or keep the volume down!

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Merry Christmas everyone! Can anyone recommend me some decent budget speaker stands for RB-61s as surrounds? I'm thinking around 40-45" in height. Cheers.
These appear to fall a bit short on the height you are looking for, but I have my 61's sitting on Swan Diva's. Google them and checkout their stands. Well built, attractive speaker stand.

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Here are the changes I made and I see a huge improvement however i still feel the harshness in the sound, may be because of my Front speakers too close to the wall.
I do not not have enough room to move the front speakers, other option I was thinking is to install the acoustic panels on the wall close to the front speakers, Do you guys think that would help reduce the harshness in sound?

1) Moved the sub woofer to the front of the FR speaker (earlier it was between center and FR)
2) Changed the fronts crossover to 60Hz
3) Re-ran the Audyssey
4) Changed the subwoofer volume to 1'o clock
5) Changed the sound mode to DTS from Dolby Surrounds
6) Changed the low pass filter on subwoofer to 180hz
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I think I need an amp (or amps) for my RF-7IIs LOL. Got a little carried away with the volume yesterday demoing some LFE content and one of my RF-7IIs let me know it wasn't happy with my DENON. Ooops!
Either that, or I just need to get a sub and give both my RF-7S and my AVR a break. Or keep the volume down!
Those speakers are difficult to drive. They draw a lot of current because of impedance dips at certain freqs. You can go either of the ways you mentioned. They do better with an amp. An amp is rated at the stated wattage for all channels driven. AVR's are usually rated at just one or two channels driven. Wattage, along with current, go down as more channels are added.
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Here are the changes I made and I see a huge improvement however i still feel the harshness in the sound, may be because of my Front speakers too close to the wall.
I do not not have enough room to move the front speakers, other option I was thinking is to install the acoustic panels on the wall close to the front speakers, Do you guys think that would help reduce the harshness in sound?

1) Moved the sub woofer to the front of the FR speaker (earlier it was between center and FR)
2) Changed the fronts crossover to 60Hz
3) Re-ran the Audyssey
4) Changed the subwoofer volume to 1'o clock
5) Changed the sound mode to DTS from Dolby Surrounds
6) Changed the low pass filter on subwoofer to 180hz
The speakers do not look to close to the wall. We all missed the most obvious answer to your bass issue, and that is to do the Sub crawl to find the best spot for your subwoofer. I was focusing more on the speaker setup because you mention the Klipsch and the bright sound. Do the sub crawl and possibly some room treatments. Maybe some cheap curtains behind your mains would help. Here is a picture of mine. Not sure if you can see the curtains, the picture quality is bad, and ignore my daughter throwing the peace sign .
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Those speakers are difficult to drive. They draw a lot of current because of impedance dips at certain freqs. You can go either of the ways you mentioned. They do better with an amp. An amp is rated at the stated wattage for all channels driven. AVR's are usually rated at just one or two channels driven. Wattage, along with current, go down as more channels are added.
It was your amp clipping more than the speakers complaining. I'm running a 5 channel amp at 200+ RMS per channel for my Reference 7 II setup plus powered sub(s). The speakers eat it up! I listen movies at reference plus levels and the speakers never complain. I would add a bigger amp.
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The speakers do not look to close to the wall. We all missed the most obvious answer to your bass issue, and that is to do the Sub crawl to find the best spot for your subwoofer. I was focusing more on the speaker setup because you mention the Klipsch and the bright sound. Do the sub crawl and possibly some room treatments. Maybe some cheap curtains behind your mains would help. Here is a picture of mine. Not sure if you can see the curtains, the picture quality is bad, and ignore my daughter throwing the peace sign .
I do not have many options to move the subwoofer as I want to keep it somewhere in the front. Do you think curtains behind the mains help? I thought the sound only travels towards the front of the speakers. Did you put the curtains just behind the mains or the complete wall?
I also liked your picture frames, are those acoustic panels? May I ask you where did you buy those picture frames?
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I do not have many options to move the subwoofer as I want to keep it somewhere in the front. Do you think curtains behind the mains help? I thought the sound only travels towards the front of the speakers. Did you put the curtains just behind the mains or the complete wall?
I also liked your picture frames, are those acoustic panels? May I ask you where did you buy those picture frames?
The curtains are just on the sides of the screen (from screen edge to wall). They are the same color as wall and are hard to see in that picture. I made the frames and had the movie posters printed on fabric at Spoonflower.com, you can stuff them with insulation, or even carpet padding. Anything you can put in your room to reduce echo will tame the brightness.

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Those speakers are difficult to drive. They draw a lot of current because of impedance dips at certain freqs. You can go either of the ways you mentioned. They do better with an amp. An amp is rated at the stated wattage for all channels driven. AVR's are usually rated at just one or two channels driven. Wattage, along with current, go down as more channels are added.
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It was your amp clipping more than the speakers complaining. I'm running a 5 channel amp at 200+ RMS per channel for my Reference 7 II setup plus powered sub(s). The speakers eat it up! I listen movies at reference plus levels and the speakers never complain. I would add a bigger amp.

Yeah, the AVR was driving all 5 speakers when it happened - who knows what power the Mains were getting - 115w/ch x 2, so probably 60-70w each, if that, haha.
The plan is to get 3 200w Outlaw amps for the Front 3. Dedicated 200w per channel should help immensely.
In the meantime I'll keep the volume under control.

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Dang, guess my AVR has a bit more bawls than I thought. This says 112w driven x5ch measured.
"Official" Denon AVR 2809CI/989 Thread
As suggested, it must be the RF7's impedance swings that the AVR struggled with.
So, I may be ok just getting a 2ch amp for the RF7s (or 2 monos). Hmmm. The RC64 would be getting about 120w, along with the two surrounds, which should be ok.
Is it me or are they not making amps with as much power as they did back in '08?

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Does anyone here have any experience with both the RC-52 ii and the RC-62 ii? I currently have the RC-52 ii because my previous setup did not allow enough room for the RC-62 ii. However, with my new setup, I can squeeze an RC-62 ii in there. My question is: is the upgrade worth it? Will I notice much, if any, sound difference between the two center speakers? Keep in mind that I would use an 80Hz crossover for both speakers and the 52 is rated down to 67Hz, while the 62 is rated down to 57Hz. So, is it worth the cost to swap the 52 for the 62? Will it sound noticeably better with the 62, instead of the 52?

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