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This is my room size and speaker configuration. The back surrounds are mounted high above on the wall, the surround sides are on stands (but the new klipsch would be mounted on the wall) and the fronts of course are towers. Is replacing the surround backs worth it at all? Considering most movies are mixed in 5.1..surround backs are the only ones im.not sure I should buy.
Now with this room configuration, what do you guys think would be best for surrounding sides? Rs41 or rs42? And regarding the center channel, if I were to get a higher center like an rc62, wouldn't it overpower my rf42s?
Based on that drawing, I would hate to put up crown moulding in that room...

I would go with the RS42II's for its wide dispersion technology and keep the backs to complete a 7.1. You have a couch on the left side, so with the RS42II's, they will sound better (IMO) to the person who is sitting there.

If you get a larger CC, does your Onkyo have audio calibration technology? If so, it will compensate when it does it's thing.

But if you get a larger CC, then you might as well get larger RFII's. Then you'll need larger RSII's. And probably larger rears.

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Based on that drawing, I would hate to put up crown moulding in that room...[emoji14]

I would go with the RS42II's for its wide dispersion technology and keep the backs to complete a 7.1. You have a couch on the left side, so with the RS42II's, they will sound better (IMO) to the person who is sitting there.

If you get a larger CC, does your Onkyo have audio calibration technology? If so, it will compensate when it does it's thing.

But if you get a larger CC, then you might as well get larger RFII's. Then you'll need larger RSII's. And probably larger rears.
Lol by the time I do that the wife will throw me to the dog house, lol. This all started because I went by frys and I saw the last two rf 42 iis being sold for 100 a piece, after doing 30 minutes of research on my phone (without leaving the speakers sides, afraid someone would beat me to it, lol) I decided I couldn't pass the deal up seeing how everybody else was selling them for 239 a piece. Then I said, might as well get a sub. Now here I am, with "might as well get surrounds and center" in my head, lol. I think I will stick with the rc42 for center, and get the rs42 for surrounds. And if I understood your recommendation, you are saying there is no point in upgrading the surround backs, correct?

Also, acoustic sound design is willing to sell me each rs42 for 199 and the rc42 for 199 also, does that sound good?

Edit: yes my onkyo has Audyssey multi eq XT

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Lol by the time I do that the wife will throw me to the dog house, lol. This all started because I went by frys and I saw the last two rf 42 iis being sold for 100 a piece, after doing 30 minutes of research on my phone (without leaving the speakers sides, afraid someone would beat me to it, lol) I decided I couldn't pass the deal up seeing how everybody else was selling them for 239 a piece. Then I said, might as well get a sub. Now here I am, with "might as well get surrounds and center" in my head, lol. I think I will stick with the rc42 for center, and get the rs42 for surrounds. And if I understood your recommendation, you are saying there is no point in upgrading the surround backs, correct?

Also, acoustic sound design is willing to sell me each rs42 for 199 and the rc42 for 199 also, does that sound good?
I would get your RC42II and RS42II's, set it up and see how it sounds. You might be happy with the backs and your new setup. If not, then pickup some RB's.

Those are pretty decent (today) prices. Don't forget the Reference Premiers are here and retailers are going to be liquidating their RFII stock. But sometimes you just have to jump in with both feet!!

There are those that say with Klipsch, bigger is better, the bigger you go, the better it sounds and while I don't doubt that and I agree, sometimes you have to get what's best for you and your environment and your wallet and most of all your wife!

I spent many nights thinking about going bigger and while I could have went RF82II and even RF7II, I decided in the end I was happy with my RF52II's, they produce a great sound and are plenty loud for my space. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll go with some Heresy's or Cornwall's or the successor to the RF7II.

Edit: If you decide you want to go bigger, 52, 62, 82, you could always move the RF42II's to the rear speaker duty, but then you would be spending a lot more money...not sure what your budget is/was.

Or go cutting edge and dive into some Reference Premiers and use the RF42II's for the bedroom or an office, etc.

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I would get your RC42II and RS42II's, set it up and see how it sounds. You might be happy with the backs and your new setup. If not, then pickup some RB's.

Those are pretty decent (today) prices. Don't forget the Reference Premiers are here and retailers are going to be liquidating their RFII stock. But sometimes you just have to jump in with both feet!!

There are those that say with Klipsch, bigger is better, the bigger you go, the better it sounds and while I don't doubt that and I agree, sometimes you have to get what's best for you and your environment and your wallet and most of all your wife!

I spent many nights thinking about going bigger and while I could have went RF82II and even RF7II, I decided in the end I was happy with my RF52II's, they produce a great sound and are plenty loud for my space. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll go with some Heresy's or Cornwall's or the successor to the RF7II.

Edit: If you decide you want to go bigger, 52, 62, 82, you could always move the RF42II's to the rear speaker duty, but then you would be spending a lot more money...not sure what your budget is/was.

Or go cutting edge and dive into some Reference Premiers and use the RF42II's for the bedroom or an office, etc.

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Lol, just like you did, I'm happy with the sound coming out of my rf42iis. I have another question for you. The rf42iis I bought were the display model, and just now I noticed some mostly superfluous dings on the metal part of the cone. Will this make an audible keep difference? Should I be worried ?
Edit: I just ran them full blast with my receiver set to stereo and the sub off, so that I only hear the rf42s. I hear nothing wrong :/

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Could you instead, set your system on the side or rear wall?


Here at my house, I have all the electronics (other than the tv) buried in the back wall and bunches of wires going from the back wall to the front wall.


When I was staying in the little apartment in Florida, I had everything sitting on a table to the left with speakers/tv in front.


In my opinion, there is one hard rule in the world of Klipsch. The bigger you go, the better. So, if you decide you want "X" speaker and they're not going to fit..... I'd find a way to make them fit!
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I posted it in the Reference Premiere thread, but I figured I might as well post it here too...

Yesterday, we put up an article on the Klipsch blog that goes through the differences between Reference Premiere and Reference II, point by point: http://www.klipsch.com/blog/klipsch-...e-ii-speakers/
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Hi all,

I'm new to the forum here and fairly new to the audio game in general (though I've done a lot of research lately). I was wondering what the key differences between the r28f, the rp280f, and the rf82 ii are, and why/how those differences matter. I see they've got the same size tweeters and woofers, same power handling, and same sensitivity. I also see the rf82 has a lower crossover, the rp280 has the largest range, and the r28 uses aluminum instead of titanium for the tweeter. I assume there are also differences in the horns, such as size and design.

So what would these differences amount to in reality, and what in the engineering of the speaker accounts for the differences? Why does the rp280 get deeper than the other two? How do the tweeter material and horn shape/size affect the sound? How does the placement of the ports on the front vs back affect sound? Why does the rf82 have a lower crossover and what difference does that make to the sound? And are the woofers different between the models? I see people say the rf82s are superior to the r28s--what makes them superior?

Thanks for any and all help!
The R28s are replacement for the Best Buy only Icon (I think) line. They are pretty much the same as what they replaced other than the color of the woofers and I've read the vinyl wrap is nicer. Some really like them for the price, especially when on sale.

The RF82IIs are now discontinued and replaced by the new RP280. The Refernce II line was the top Klipsch (non Heritage/Palladium) line. The Reference II speakers up through the RF82 have been replaced by the new Reference Premium line.

If we are to believe the Klipsch press materials they should be a better speaker than what they replaced, at least in some ways.

That said, with the current prices on the Reference II line, that would by my choice. If you like the Klipsch signature sound.
Thanks guys, this helps! Can I ask more specifically, in sound, what differentiates the budget line reference (former icon) from the r2s and rps?
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Lol by the time I do that the wife will throw me to the dog house, lol. This all started because I went by frys and I saw the last two rf 42 iis being sold for 100 a piece, after doing 30 minutes of research on my phone (without leaving the speakers sides, afraid someone would beat me to it, lol) I decided I couldn't pass the deal up seeing how everybody else was selling them for 239 a piece. Then I said, might as well get a sub. Now here I am, with "might as well get surrounds and center" in my head, lol. I think I will stick with the rc42 for center, and get the rs42 for surrounds. And if I understood your recommendation, you are saying there is no point in upgrading the surround backs, correct?

Also, acoustic sound design is willing to sell me each rs42 for 199 and the rc42 for 199 also, does that sound good?

Edit: yes my onkyo has Audyssey multi eq XT
That's a pretty good price on the RS42s; I got mine full price because I didn't know better. The price on the RC42 is reasonable; it's probably worth it to just get it done.

I ran the RC-42ii and RB-41iis with the RS-42iis for about 18 months and really liked how everything sounded. Such a huge difference over the HTIAB stuff I'd been using.

If you're digging the RF-42s, I think you'll like how the RS42s perform for you. I only upgraded because I hung around here too much, and the clearance sales have been too tempting. ;-).

Hopefully by the time the upgrade bug strikes you, there should be some real-world information on the new line(s).
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Thanks guys, this helps! Can I ask more specifically, in sound, what differentiates the budget line reference (former icon) from the r2s and rps?
I owned synergy f30s which are similar to icon (aluminium tweeter) and rf82ii. I can say that my synergy sounded close, but not as good. Are r28f as good as rf82ii? Definitely not. Are they similar to rf82ii? More so than non horn loaded speakers.
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I have another dilemma in my 10x13 room. TV is on the 10ft wall, 6ft entertainment center, and 11x12 bookshelf speaker stands on each side, leaving me no room for a sub woofer, unless I pull out the entertainment system 15in and squeeze a sub back there. But I think that'd look really weird. Any thoughts? I was going to go with RB-81 II's but I won't have a sub no matter what I do.
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I have another dilemma in my 10x13 room. TV is on the 10ft wall, 6ft entertainment center, and 11x12 bookshelf speaker stands on each side, leaving me no room for a sub woofer, unless I pull out the entertainment system 15in and squeeze a sub back there. But I think that'd look really weird. Any thoughts? I was going to go with RB-81 II's but I won't have a sub no matter what I do.
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I have another dilemma in my 10x13 room. TV is on the 10ft wall, 6ft entertainment center, and 11x12 bookshelf speaker stands on each side, leaving me no room for a sub woofer, unless I pull out the entertainment system 15in and squeeze a sub back there. But I think that'd look really weird. Any thoughts? I was going to go with RB-81 II's but I won't have a sub no matter what I do.
You could wall mount RB-81s with something like this -- they say they can take up to a 50 pound load:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K8BI29W/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_2OqZub10EBN33
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You could wall mount RB-81s with something like this -- they say they can take up to a 50 pound load:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K8BI29W..._2OqZub10EBN33
Thank you!! That MIGHT just work. But not the way you're thinking. The studs on the 10ft wall are not evenly placed, and there's a window about 14in from the right wall. BUT, the side walls that are to the left and right of me, both have studs that are 17-18in from the wall with the entertainment system. Hopefully that makes sense.

So basically I'd mount the speakers to the left and right walls, if you're looking directly at the TV. That leaves roughly 9-10ft between speakers, with a 8-9ft viewing distance.

But, can those mounts swivel enough to point at my seating position?
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Thank you!! That MIGHT just work. But not the way you're thinking. The studs on the 10ft wall are not evenly placed, and there's a window about 14in from the right wall. BUT, the side walls that are to the left and right of me, both have studs that are 17-18in from the wall with the entertainment system. Hopefully that makes sense.

So basically I'd mount the speakers to the left and right walls, if you're looking directly at the TV. That leaves roughly 9-10ft between speakers, with a 8-9ft viewing distance.

But, can those mounts swivel enough to point at my seating position?
They say they can swivel 90° either way, so I think they'd work.

You technically don't need a stud; if you've got drywall you just need anchors, which can be easily overspecced for your needs. A couple of anchors rated for 50 pounds each should be more than enough.

Fwiw there are also shelves designed for this kind of application as an option if you prefer those over swivel mount things.
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To each his own but I would never (ever) use anchors.....even if rated higher than my needs....even if I doubled them...


What if you took a board, say a 1x3 or 1x4 cut it to a length and screwed it into TWO studs, giving you a cross brace that is located on the outside of the drywall. Now, you have an anchor point that you can mount to and you know it's screwed in.


Yeah, I get that you have a 1x4 on your wall. You could route the edges to make it pretty.... use Oak and stain it.... you could paint it the same color as your walls.


Over time, you will never really notice that it's there.


My wife says I over-do everything.


She once wanted me to make a house for the cats so they'd have some protection to run into while outdoors. She instructed me to use "extra material we have in the garage"


Imagine my surprise when she laughed at my little cat house..... built with 2x6's, panels of insulation along the interior walls a hinged roof so we could get to the insides.... and a second floor. Oh, and I also had a thermostatically controlled space heater inside in case they got cold.


Ok, maybe the anchors would work.... but I'd still never do it
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They say they can swivel 90° either way, so I think they'd work.

You technically don't need a stud; if you've got drywall you just need anchors, which can be easily overspecced for your needs. A couple of anchors rated for 50 pounds each should be more than enough.

Fwiw there are also shelves designed for this kind of application as an option if you prefer those over swivel mount things.
I think I will stick with those mounts, the only thing that concerns me is the depth, and the brackets that hold the speakers in. Although the reviews say people have fit 12x12 speakers in it.
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Bookshelf (monitor) vs Surround speakers for rear/surround speakers in 5.1 setup

I'd like to hear an advice on the choice of rear/surround speakers for 5.1 setup in 25x20 room. I am thinking to go with top of the Reference Premiere line of speakers for my HT setup (RP-280F and RP-450C) but there is a problem. Because of the room configuration I am limited in the height for the rear speakers. Maximum height I can afford is 10". All surround speakers in Reference Premiere line are higher than that. Looking at the available choices I see these options:

* S-20 Surround Speakers ($500 per pair)
* R-14S Surround Speakers ($279 per pair, Reference Series)
* RP-160M Monitor Speakers ($600 per pair, Reference Premiere Series) - placed horizontally

The speakers will be placed high (at the ceiling). I have never heard any Klipsch speakers before which makes choosing any particular speaker much more difficult Spec-wise RP-160M are the better speakers and I am inclined to go with them but I wonder if there is something special about the design of surround speakers that I would miss. Admittedly I tend not to care that much about the "surround" sound in movies (I believe it does not add much to the overall experience because all action is in front of me anyways) but still...
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Bookshelf (monitor) vs Surround speakers for rear/surround speakers in 5.1 setup

I'd like to hear an advice on the choice of rear/surround speakers for 5.1 setup in 25x20 room. I am thinking to go with top of the Reference Premiere line of speakers for my HT setup (RP-280F and RP-450C) but there is a problem. Because of the room configuration I am limited in the height for the rear speakers. Maximum height I can afford is 10". All surround speakers in Reference Premiere line are higher than that. Looking at the available choices I see these options:

* S-20 Surround Speakers ($500 per pair)
* R-14S Surround Speakers ($279 per pair, Reference Series)
* RP-160M Monitor Speakers ($600 per pair, Reference Premiere Series) - placed horizontally

The speakers will be placed high (at the ceiling). I have never heard any Klipsch speakers before which makes choosing any particular speaker much more difficult Spec-wise RP-160M are the better speakers and I am inclined to go with them but I wonder if there is something special about the design of surround speakers that I would miss. Admittedly I tend not to care that much about the "surround" sound in movies (I believe it does not add much to the overall experience because all action is in front of me anyways) but still...
When something in front of you comes at you, does it just stop and fall off the screen? Or, does it go past you and behind you? Maybe veers to the left or right? That is where the speakers convey you being "in" the movie.
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Could you instead, set your system on the side or rear wall?


Here at my house, I have all the electronics (other than the tv) buried in the back wall and bunches of wires going from the back wall to the front wall.


When I was staying in the little apartment in Florida, I had everything sitting on a table to the left with speakers/tv in front.


In my opinion, there is one hard rule in the world of Klipsch. The bigger you go, the better. So, if you decide you want "X" speaker and they're not going to fit..... I'd find a way to make them fit!
Amen to that!

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