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Good deal on those for sure. I have been looking for two RS7 for sides in black to match my rear RS3-II. They are hard to find and expensive for how old they are. I may just look for two black RS3-II for now(less $$) as I had to disconnect these KSB 1.1 that I use for the patio. They just don't keep up with the rest of the system. I liked having my rears with more sound then the sides but that could change with better sides.

Zen Traveler that lives 30 minutes from me offered to loan me a pair of black RS3-II he has ( nice of him to offer) but I worried they might get damaged from being placed on a book shelf and my PC desk........... I don't think Zen would like it if I drilled holes in the back so I can wall mount them like my rears. Grand Kids get playful around here sometimes LOL accidents happen. No hurry as 5.2 with my Cornwalls, C7 and RS3-II rock my small den..... for now. Shame my room is shaped odd without a 4th rear corner so I could use my Heresy II for rears.
That's a kind jester for sure, quite a few nice folks from Texas. My wife and kids are in New Braunfels on vacation with her Dad, work kept me here, hope to fly out there next week.

Those rears from that ad could be painted black
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I have been looking for two RS7 for sides in black to match my rear RS3-II. They are hard to find and expensive for how old they are.
Hi Louis...just saw these posted on local CL..thought you might be interested...seller is very close to me...be glad to assist if you like:

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ele/5085881472.html
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Hi Louis...just saw these posted on local CL..thought you might be interested...seller is very close to me...be glad to assist if you like:

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ele/5085881472.html
Thanks for the link but those are too expensive for my budget this month. They are hard to find but I have seen them sell for a bit less on that auction site, when they are for sale I am broke and when I have the extra $$ none to be had for a fair price. I will keep looking for a pair that I can afford.
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Thanks for the link but those are too expensive for my budget this month. They are hard to find but I have seen them sell for a bit less on that auction site, when they are for sale I am broke and when I have the extra $$ none to be had for a fair price. I will keep looking for a pair that I can afford.
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Thanks for the link but those are too expensive for my budget this month. They are hard to find but I have seen them sell for a bit less on that auction site, when they are for sale I am broke and when I have the extra $$ none to be had for a fair price. I will keep looking for a pair that I can afford.
Those look nice but on the high price side. I found my mint pair with nice stands for 195.00 and sold the stands for 100.00
I think about 400.00 for really nice ones is the ceiling.

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Those look nice but on the high price side. I found my mint pair with nice stands for 195.00 and sold the stands for 100.00
I think about 400.00 for really nice ones is the ceiling.

Patience will pay off Louis
I don't mind paying $200.00 or so for a pair of decent RS7 surrounds but for what some people are asking for them you can buy a nice pair of used Heresy II etc.
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I don't mind paying $200.00 or so for a pair of decent RS7 surrounds but for what some people are asking for them you can buy a nice pair of used Heresy II etc.
I agree sometimes peopleasking a lot for use items not just in speakers but reality is somewhere else. Just be patient and you will get a pair. It is also the most harder find to get good deal on surrounds speakers. You will find a lot offten center and towers.
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I don't mind paying $200.00 or so for a pair of decent RS7 surrounds but for what some people are asking for them you can buy a nice pair of used Heresy II etc.
Honestly, I think $200 is a fair price on the RS-3s but I agree with Tas that between $400 to $500 on the RS-7s would be more appropriate...That being said, it depends on the market and what a person is willing to pay and accept.
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Honestly, I think $200 is a fair price on the RS-3s but I agree with Tas that between $400 to $500 on the RS-7s would be more appropriate...That being said, it depends on the market and what a person is willing to pay and accept.
How much were the RS-7 new back then? I missed a pair last month on Ebay for $365.00, my max was $300.00 plus $50.00 for freight. I blew that money on Ham Radio equipment last week so I will wait until next months SS check and see what is for sale. I purchased my RS3-II (B stock) new in 2008 for $325.00 plus $45.00 freight, if I can find a pair of Black RS3-II local for $200.00 next month I might just do that and match up with my rears. I really wanted the RS-7 with the 8" driver like my C7 center for sides but $400.00 plus freight is just too much for my budget for what you get VS used Heresy II etc. Next year I am remodeling my attached two car garage for my HT, Ham Radio room and use my Heresy II (fronts in bedroom system) for rears with Cornwalls. Then I will look for another pair of Heresy II for sides.

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The only way to know where your subs should be is to do the sub crawl? Better yet, get a calibration mic and download REW. And do you have any place on the back wall? Front walls work good, corners will give a little more gain, but can also make it sound a little boomy. Where you have them is probably not bad. You dont have to aim the subs right at you though unless you are just doing it for looks. Too bad you cant raise the screen up a little more. It might give you a little more placement options.
Also, your CC looks like its just laying flat on the floor. You should to title it up and aim it towards you ears. I think you will hear a difference. By the way, nice HT room.
Well this was unexpected. I spent all day yesterday moving, testing, running sweeps using AudioTools on iOS (not ideal but all I had). I dragged one sub pretty close to the MLP. Played the test signal and walked around the room to see where this method suggests best placement. I guess I never bothered with it before is that I just thought I had no where else to put them.

Turned out the front right side was a dead spot, when I stuck my head over the 2nd sub sitting there the was bass from the test tone was substantially less. Rear right corner was the most intense. I move the other subwoofer and put it close to the rear right corner, just beside the door opening as per the picture. Compared a sweep against the original placement of both towards the front and it looked a lot better. Running the sweep I could actually hear when it hits around 20hz now.

So, I attempted to find a great spot for the second sub but I just couldn't really find any, the crawl suggested mid right wall but thats right next to the seating and would block you from walking through. Tried having it front left, but seemed to knock out some low end, no other options left. In the end I remembered some people stacking subs? So I tried that. I mean I think it's going gaining a few extra dB and looks kind of mean.

Re-tuned, set all speakers to 80Hz crossover and centre to 70Hz. Audyssey came back with subwoofer -4dB and I adjusted that to 0dB. Moved the centre back more towards the front wall and found I could gain a few mm of height on the leg to now it points right in your face. Tested American Sniper and thought it sounded great Finally have that bass I was expecting, I'm actually thinking to drop the subwoofer down to -1dB. So just having the 3dB increase, will need to test some more.

Almost thinking the second R-115SW was a waste... but I guess it gives some additional head room? The gain is set to about 9'o'clock, so pretty low.
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Almost thinking the second R-115SW was a waste... but I guess it gives some additional head room? The gain is set to about 9'o'clock, so pretty low.
Looking at your picture I tend to agree--Fwiw you could benift from a different location, but having it co-located like that only gives you SPL and not lower frequency response.
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Cool. Sounds like you made some good improvements. When you was doing the sub crawl for the 2nd sub, did you have sub No.1 playing also in its new position?

If you want to squeeze all you can get out of your system, then get a UMIK-1 or a UMM-6 USB mic http://www.cross-spectrum.com/. and then download REW http://www.roomeqwizard.com/ You can then use REW's RTA (Real Time Analyzer) and you will be surprised how just a few inches will change the FR and you can watch it in real time as you move the sub around. Its pretty cool. I just relocated mine yesterday and I was down at the end of just moving inches.


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Cool. Sounds like you made some good improvements. When you was doing the sub crawl for the 2nd sub, did you have sub No.1 playing also in its new position?

If you want to squeeze all you can get out of your system, then get a UMIK-1 or a UMM-6 USB mic http://www.cross-spectrum.com/. and then download REW http://www.roomeqwizard.com/ You can then use REW's RTA (Real Time Analyzer) and you will be surprised how just a few inches will change the FR and you can watch it in real time as you move the sub around. Its pretty cool. I just relocated mine yesterday and I was down at the end of just moving inches.
Ah... No I never tried it a second time with the second sub playing in its new position while having the 1st still at the MLP.

I tried moving the other around to a few spots but again this was flawed, as when I played the sweeps it would of been using the existing Audyssey settings. There is really only 2 or 3 possible spots left for the other sub.

I guess I should try the sub crawl again and then re-calibrate and then sweep again and see how it looks. Currently I have a boost around 25-40Hz which I don't think I mind. But I have always had a big dip at around 70Hz. I think thats just my room as no matter where i moved or even if i just tested with the RF-7 full range it's still there and I have 3 corner traps.

But anyway, I am still really happy with how its sounding at the moment but on the weekend I will have another look to see if I can find a better position for the other sub.

- front left wall about 2m up from front wall
- rear left wall about 2m in from rear wall
- I could place it mid room like 2 inchs directly behind the MLP and seating (could be a bad spot but just a thought)

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Ah... No I never tried it a second time with the second sub playing in its new position while having the 1st still at the MLP.

I tried moving the other around to a few spots but again this was flawed, as when I played the sweeps it would of been using the existing Audyssey settings. There is really only 2 or 3 possible spots left for the other sub.

I guess I should try the sub crawl again and then re-calibrate and then sweep again and see how it looks. Currently I have a boost around 25-40Hz which I don't think I mind. But I have always had a big dip at around 70Hz. I think thats just my room as no matter where i moved or even if i just tested with the RF-7 full range it's still there and I have 3 corner traps.

But anyway, I am still really happy with how its sounding at the moment but on the weekend I will have another look to see if I can find a better position for the other sub.

- front left wall about 2m up from front wall
- rear left wall about 2m in from rear wall
- I could place it mid room like 2 inchs directly behind the MLP and seating (could be a bad spot but just a thought)
Yeah middle of the room is going to be a bad spot. It needs to be somewhat close to a wall. But close to the MLP on the side, or behind the sofa it if its not too far from the wall may be good. It would give a more tactical feel.
But without doing a sub crawl, its hard to tell.
Just be sure to have Audessy off when doing a sub crawl, then once you are done, then recalibrate. Then dont forget to go in and set your main speakers to small because it always sets the mains to large.
What happens when you have both subs in 2 different spots is they can cancel out a peak or a null from each other. It also can help spread out the bass for other listeners. You should be able to get rid of the 70 Hz null with placement of the 2nd sub.
There is also a sub distant tweak.


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Ah... No I never tried it a second time with the second sub playing in its new position while having the 1st still at the MLP.

I tried moving the other around to a few spots but again this was flawed, as when I played the sweeps it would of been using the existing Audyssey settings. There is really only 2 or 3 possible spots left for the other sub.

I guess I should try the sub crawl again and then re-calibrate and then sweep again and see how it looks. Currently I have a boost around 25-40Hz which I don't think I mind. But I have always had a big dip at around 70Hz. I think thats just my room as no matter where i moved or even if i just tested with the RF-7 full range it's still there and I have 3 corner traps.

But anyway, I am still really happy with how its sounding at the moment but on the weekend I will have another look to see if I can find a better position for the other sub.

- front left wall about 2m up from front wall
- rear left wall about 2m in from rear wall
- I could place it mid room like 2 inchs directly behind the MLP and seating (could be a bad spot but just a thought)

Here is my standard dual sub Audyssey procedure:

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Set the gain on both subs to the same level - around 12:00-2:00 on the gain knob is a good starting point (just a starting point, gain structure can vary greatly from one manufacturer to another). Set phase to "0" on both subs for now.

1. Connect sub #1 only and place it at the MLP
2. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #1
3. Place sub #1 in that position
4. Connect both subs and place sub #2 at the MLP (with sub #1 playing as well)
5. Do the sub crawl to determine the best position for sub #2
6. Place sub #2 in that position
7. Playing the AVRs test tone, adjust phase on one of the subs until you get the maximum SPL at the MLP (could be variable or a simple 0/180 switch) (if you have SubEQ HT, skip this step)
8. Run Audyssey, first mic position only, and "calculate"
9. Look to see where Audyssey has set your sub trim, you want it to be around -6db to -8db ideally
10. Adjust the gain on both subs by the same amount up or down as needed
11. Repeat 8-10 until you get the sub trim around -6db to -8db
12. Run the full Audyssey calibration
13. Set all speakers to "small"
14. Set all crossovers to 80hz (or, if set higher than 80hz by Audyssey, leave them alone)
15. Bump up the sub trim by 3db to 6db to your preference
16. Enjoy!

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Then do the sub distance tweak.
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