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No clutter allowed in the main common area so I put it in there versus the closet. Had no idea how much a bed would help the acoustics versus the great room with lots of hard surfaces. I'm sure 50% of what I'm hearing is the room and the other 50% comes from ditching my Onkyo AVR.

You can definitely here the difference versus an AVR. More punch, dynamics and clarity; these XPR amps from Emotiva have an excellent slew rate and damping factor. I would think you'd need a nice preamp like the HA-1 to take advantage of the high slew rate (versus an AVR's preout).

Drop by sometime because this setup and for sure the other one will amaze you if you're into audio.
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rp440 vs rc3
looking to upgrade. wonder if this speaker is better than my rc3?
im limited to space the 440 fits into

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RC-64 II owners: I have a pair of RF-3s and my RC-64 II doesn't seem to be as loud as they are, even after my Onkyo TX-SR606's Audyssey calibration brought the center and towers to -10db. Seems like I need to increase the center to -5db or -7db to really bring it to a loud enough level. When I play the center by itself, it also doesn't seem to have the same clarity or range that the tweeters on my RF-3s have. I'm guessing I messed something up. What do you recommend me trying?
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rp440 vs rc3
looking to upgrade. wonder if this speaker is better than my rc3?
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The prevailing advice here is to generally try to voice match to your L and R speakers, which means the RC3 would be a "better" idea for you.

I cannot compare the RP-440C to the RC-3 from personal experience, but I can say without reservation that I'm very very happy with my RP-440C.
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The prevailing advice here is to generally try to voice match to your L and R speakers, which means the RC3 would be a "better" idea for you.

I cannot compare the RP-440C to the RC-3 from personal experience, but I can say without reservation that I'm very very happy with my RP-440C.
All my speakers are from a similar line and the same heritage. Some.have smaller drivers than others. I'm looking to upgrade my front r and l. But I have been reading up on the center and was thinking of doing that first.
I am not rich enough to get all at once

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Even after Audyssey XT32 runs, I always throw in the spears and munsil version 2 disc and check audio tones with the SPL meter I have. The blu-ray has 30dbfs tones for the speakers and 40 for the subs, so you check em all out and adjust what you need to to get them close to 75db, so they are all level matched.

XT32 is usually pretty good, but not perfect.
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All my speakers are from a similar line and the same heritage. Some.have smaller drivers than others. I'm looking to upgrade my front r and l. But I have been reading up on the center and was thinking of doing that first.
I am not rich enough to get all at once
Understood!

Are your size limitations vertical or horizontal?
If vertical, I really think you'd be very happy with the RP-440C.
If horizontal, are you able to audition the RP-250C and the RP-440C in your home and return the one you don't like?

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RC-64 II owners: I have a pair of RF-3s and my RC-64 II doesn't seem to be as loud as they are, even after my Onkyo TX-SR606's Audyssey calibration brought the center and towers to -10db. Seems like I need to increase the center to -5db or -7db to really bring it to a loud enough level. When I play the center by itself, it also doesn't seem to have the same clarity or range that the tweeters on my RF-3s have. I'm guessing I messed something up. What do you recommend me trying?
Something isn't right--Is the jumper connecting the terminals in place on the back?
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All my speakers are from a similar line and the same heritage. Some.have smaller drivers than others. I'm looking to upgrade my front r and l. But I have been reading up on the center and was thinking of doing that first.
I am not rich enough to get all at once
Check your local used market for upper end reference (RF-7/RC-7/RB-75) or Heritage if you can accommodate larger speakers...Honestly, what you have seems comparable to what you are considering, imo.
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Something isn't right--Is the jumper connecting the terminals in place on the back?
I triple checked those, including loosening and tightening the knobs. I also tried plugging the banana plugs into the top and bottom pair of poles to see if the speaker sounded different.

It might be that my expectations were off, and my ears suck? If Audyssey set the center at -10db, and it's 99db/m, and the RF-3s are 97 or 98db/m, then it thinks they're as loud as each other. The test tones out of Audyssey sounded like they were at a similar level.

Maybe my ears suck? What else do you suggest?
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RC-64 II owners: I have a pair of RF-3s and my RC-64 II doesn't seem to be as loud as they are, even after my Onkyo TX-SR606's Audyssey calibration brought the center and towers to -10db. Seems like I need to increase the center to -5db or -7db to really bring it to a loud enough level. When I play the center by itself, it also doesn't seem to have the same clarity or range that the tweeters on my RF-3s have. I'm guessing I messed something up. What do you recommend me trying?
The towers are gonna sound louder because well they are towers. The 3's also have 8"drivers compared to 6.5" drivers in the 64. Buy yourself a SPL meter and find out exactly what the db's are with the test tones. That is the only way to know for sure what your actual levels are. Hope this helps.
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The towers are gonna sound louder because well they are towers. The 3's also have 8"drivers compared to 6.5" drivers in the 64. Buy yourself a SPL meter and find out exactly what the db's are with the test tones. That is the only way to know for sure what your actual levels are. Hope this helps.
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@XeeN it might be that the XT32 sets the level to -10dB because it try to compensate with the EQ on the RC-64II .. do you have it inside a cabinet or on top of one and not on the edge of the cabinet ? that might cause the problem you having. also the highs of the RF-3 are more metallic sounding then the highs of the 64II, so they seem louder. but this could be my personal opinion.
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I triple checked those, including loosening and tightening the knobs. I also tried plugging the banana plugs into the top and bottom pair of poles to see if the speaker sounded different.

It might be that my expectations were off, and my ears suck? If Audyssey set the center at -10db, and it's 99db/m, and the RF-3s are 97 or 98db/m, then it thinks they're as loud as each other. The test tones out of Audyssey sounded like they were at a similar level.

Maybe my ears suck? What else do you suggest?
I had a similar issue with my RP450C for some reason it didn't sound loud at all compared to my RP280Fs. I checked the cables to make sure they were all plugged in properly messed with my receiver thinking I had the center channel too low but nothing was fixing the issue. I decided the last thing I could try before doing an RMA was to swap out the speaker cable for a new one and once I did it worked perfectly. I would try a new cable and see if that helps.
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The towers are gonna sound louder because well they are towers. The 3's also have 8"drivers compared to 6.5" drivers in the 64. Buy yourself a SPL meter and find out exactly what the db's are with the test tones. That is the only way to know for sure what your actual levels are. Hope this helps.
I dunno...I completely agree about an SPL meter, but if level-matched the RF-3s shouldn't sound louder than the RC-64II. I realized the latter also uses tapered-array technology but it does have four 6.5" drivers compared to the dual 8s on the RF-3s and a larger cd driver for the horn...

Fwiw, I'm wondering if it's a setting or if something is wrong with the speaker. Again--The SPL meter or app would be great to help trouble-shoot to see what the MLP volume is from each speaker. {EDIT: I tried the RC-7 between two RF-3s and it was obvious that the RC-7 was cleaner. }
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good point about the speaker cable. i had that once and it was fixed by just cutting a bit of it and re-attach the cable. this is caused by corrosion on the cable ends. but it does not explain the xt32 setting it to -10db trim as xt32 compensates with the trim and eq. i think @Zen Traveler is more right, it just a matter of different sound that creates the idea that it sound less where it actually might sound less distorted and thus less loud.

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