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Hi guys,

I'm planning a Klipsch based Dolby Atmos 7.2.4 system. I have a couple of questions.

1. Will RP-250S (4 pcs) work good as surround and surround back speakers? What is the best height to mount them?
2. My ceiling does not allow to install any in-ceiling Klipsch speaker due to being too shallow. Can I install in-wall speakers into the ceiling? Their mounting depth goes well with the ceiling. Which model will you recommend?

I know of a new speaker (SLM-5400) that will solve my problem but would its specs be enough to do the job?

Thanks a lot!
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I actually, right now, own the original Klipsch RF-7, RC-7, and RS-7 (since 2003). I also have the original 1000 watt SubMersive. I'm looking to setup up the game. Not sure how much better the RF-7 III will be over my current original RF-7. As for the Catalyst, it is a great speaker but, this time around, I prefer to minimize having items shipped to me and buy locally instead (for local support and avoid hefty shipping costs). Secondly, I roughly calculated the price of a full Seaton Sound setup and the price is not very far off of the full Meyer Sound setup (after discounts).

Edit: After the recent Altitude32 firmware update, it can support 48 channels.

Edit 2: There is the Acurus ACT 4 that can support just over 11 channels.



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There is also the recently announced Altitude16 coming.

If you have rf7 now I doubt rf7iii will be a substantial upgrade. You have a lot of $$ to spend, if it were my money I would be looking at Klipsch or JBL pro gear, Seaton or JTR. Those meyer subs have a -4db point of 23hz, compared to the big boys in the sub game they are small fry. The processors you are looking at are end game material. Edit the subs will hit 130db so not to be sneezed at but in terms of extension especially on these forums they cant compete

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I actually, right now, own the original Klipsch RF-7, RC-7, and RS-7 (since 2003). I also have the original 1000 watt SubMersive. I'm looking to setup up the game. Not sure how much better the RF-7 III will be over my current original RF-7. As for the Catalyst, it is a great speaker but, this time around, I prefer to minimize having items shipped to me and buy locally instead (for local support and avoid hefty shipping costs). Secondly, I roughly calculated the price of a full Seaton Sound setup and the price is not very far off of the full Meyer Sound setup (after discounts).

Edit: After the recent Altitude32 firmware update, it can support 48 channels.

Edit 2: There is the Acurus ACT 4 that can support just over 11 channels.



http://www.acurusav.com/act-4-specifications/

There is also the recently announced Altitude16 coming.

If you have rf7 now I doubt rf7iii will be a substantial upgrade. You have a lot of $$ to spend, if it were my money I would be looking at Klipsch or JBL pro gear, Seaton or JTR. Those meyer subs have a -4db point of 23hz, compared to the big boys in the sub game they are small fry. The processors you are looking at are end game material.
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I actually, right now, own the original Klipsch RF-7, RC-7, and RS-7 (since 2003). I also have the original 1000 watt SubMersive. I'm looking to setup up the game. Not sure how much better the RF-7 III will be over my current original RF-7. As for the Catalyst, it is a great speaker but, this time around, I prefer to minimize having items shipped to me and buy locally instead (for local support and avoid hefty shipping costs). Secondly, I roughly calculated the price of a full Seaton Sound setup and the price is not very far off of the full Meyer Sound setup (after discounts).

Edit: After the recent Altitude32 firmware update, it can support 48 channels.

Edit 2: There is the Acurus ACT 4 that can support just over 11 channels.



http://www.acurusav.com/act-4-specifications/

There is also the recently announced Altitude16 coming.


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has anyone compared the Reference Premiere line to the old Reference line? I've got the full R#-3 setup (RF, RB, RS, RC) and wondered how the RF-3s would compare to the new Premiere line.
I would look at rf7ii or rf7iii instead of rp280f. The 280s are nice but I dont know if I would call them a substantial upgrade over the older gen speakers, especially for movies. Music could be better but then I would look to the flagships again as an upgrade

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I am getting a vibe that some people, these days, think of Klipsch as the "not-Bose" Bose of the audio world. There is probably some bias in this thread regarding this but any comments?
I come across this on the various facebook groups a lot. It usually stems from people making assumptions based on the lower tier Klipsch offerings. Kind of ridiculous considering the likes of the Jubilee, P39f, KPT-942 etc etc are from the same company

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I actually, right now, own the original Klipsch RF-7, RC-7, and RS-7 (since 2003). I also have the original 1000 watt SubMersive. I'm looking to setup up the game. Not sure how much better the RF-7 III will be over my current original RF-7.
Personally, I think that it's tough to do much better than the RF-7. Since this is a "Klipsch speaker forum" and all, have you thought about the THX Ultra II package? Instead of the Klipsch subs, keep the Seaton, and maybe get a second (slave)?
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Hi guys,

I'm planning a Klipsch based Dolby Atmos 7.2.4 system. I have a couple of questions.

1. Will RP-250S (4 pcs) work good as surround and surround back speakers? What is the best height to mount them?
2. My ceiling does not allow to install any in-ceiling Klipsch speaker due to being too shallow. Can I install in-wall speakers into the ceiling? Their mounting depth goes well with the ceiling. Which model will you recommend?

I know of a new speaker (SLM-5400) that will solve my problem but would its specs be enough to do the job?

Thanks a lot!
Eugene
I went with the RP-150M for my rears as they match the 250S on the side. I asked the same question earlier.
I would put them up about 5 to 7 feet. The sides should be just behind the head of the front row. Others might chime in with other suggestions.

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I come across this on the various facebook groups a lot. It usually stems from people making assumptions based on the lower tier Klipsch offerings. Kind of ridiculous considering the likes of the Jubilee, P39f, KPT-942 etc etc are from the same company
They all suck too

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Hi! Can i ask more detailed comparison between RF-35 and the new RP-280F. Stupid question but Is it really worth the upgrade? Hehe. I know the new one's always better, is there a big difference between the two towers? ty


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So this is a hard one. I believe there was a noticeable difference, but that is up to each listener. For me the spend was not a huge deal as I was upgrading the receiver and subs as well. If money is real tight I don't know if I would say the spend is worth it. I like the improvements, but is it dramatic I can't say that.
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I would look at rf7ii or rf7iii instead of rp280f. The 280s are nice but I dont know if I would call them a substantial upgrade over the older gen speakers, especially for movies. Music could be better but then I would look to the flagships again as an upgrade

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While I would agree, the size and price of rf7ii is quite a bit more than RP-280. In my space is it hard to justify the physical size.

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While I would agree, the size and price of rf7ii is quite a bit more than RP-280. In my space is it hard to justify the physical size.
Try find a used pair of rf7 or rf83

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I went with the RP-150M for my rears as they match the 250S on the side. I asked the same question earlier.
I would put them up about 5 to 7 feet. The sides should be just behind the head of the front row. Others might chime in with other suggestions.
Thank you very much for your reply! I hope some more people will have something to say.
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If you have rf7 now I doubt rf7iii will be a substantial upgrade. You have a lot of $$ to spend, if it were my money I would be looking at Klipsch or JBL pro gear, Seaton or JTR. Those meyer subs have a -4db point of 23hz, compared to the big boys in the sub game they are small fry. The processors you are looking at are end game material. Edit the subs will hit 130db so not to be sneezed at but in terms of extension especially on these forums they cant compete

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My room is solid concrete all around and with my single SubMersive, I don't feel any ultra-low frequency bass at all. As a result, I thought it would be better to forgo trying to get very low bass in my room and just go for 20 Hz+. I know Meyer Sound is definitely not popular on this forum like it is in the pro audio world/forums. Meyer Sound is used in quite a few high-end cinemas and mixing stages. The following quote is from a Meyer Sound news link/article relating to the company's entry into the residential private cinema market:

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The system in the demonstration room is typical of those used in many Hollywood sound-editing studios. Meyer Sound monitoring systems now are in use at, among many other facilities, Skywalker Sound, Pixar Animation, 20th Century Fox, Dreamworks and Warner Bros. Meyer Sound systems also are featured in premium screens by exhibitors like ArcLight Cinemas and Cinetopia, while several leading Hollywood directors and producers – who cannot be named because of non-disclosure agreements – have Meyer Sound systems at home.
Article: https://meyersound.com/news/private-cinema/

If those places use Meyer Sound, it should be good enough for me!

I've also heard that ported subwoofers provide a more tactile response/feel over sealed subwoofers.

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My room is solid concrete all around and with my single SubMersive, I don't feel any ultra-low frequency bass at all. As a result, I thought it would be better to forgo trying to get very low bass in my room and just go for 20 Hz+. I know Meyer Sound is definitely not popular on this forum like it is in the pro audio world/forums. Meyer Sound is used in quite a few high-end cinemas and mixing stages. The following quote is from a Meyer Sound news link/article relating to the company's entry into the residential private cinema market:

I've also heard that ported subwoofers provide a more tactile response/feel over sealed subwoofers.
If you want more feel at the seating you can look up Crowson Transducers. They go down to 1hz.

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If you want more feel at the seating you can look up Crowson Transducers. They go down to 1hz.
I'm not really into transducers. Don't like "fake" stuff.
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My room is solid concrete all around and with my single SubMersive, I don't feel any ultra-low frequency bass at all. As a result, I thought it would be better to forgo trying to get very low bass in my room and just go for 20 Hz+. I know Meyer Sound is definitely not popular on this forum like it is in the pro audio world/forums. Meyer Sound is used in quite a few high-end cinemas and mixing stages. The following quote is from a Meyer Sound news link/article relating to the company's entry into the residential private cinema market:



Article: https://meyersound.com/news/private-cinema/

If those places use Meyer Sound, it should be good enough for me!

I've also heard that ported subwoofers provide a more tactile response/feel over sealed subwoofers.
If you can afford the Meyer setup, then go for it. It will be like a commercial theater sound wise, which is not a bad thing except for lack of bass under 20hz.

If you're going the professional direction, have you taken a look at JBL cinema? I believe JBL is in more theaters than any other or maybe all others combined.

As for ported subs, yes they do provide more tactile feel. Not sure what the cost of the Meyer subs are, but you can probably get much more powerful ported subs from JTR or PSA for less.

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I'm not really into transducers. Don't like "fake" stuff.
Not sure what you mean by "fake" but there is a reason they exist. They are not meant to replace subs but work with your subs. Many "bass heads" that have 8+ subs in their theaters also have transducers for even more feel. The difference is they are not "one noted" sound like other bass shakers which only just shakes the couch. Crowsons are actually linear transducers which are different and actually lifts your seats and play true LFE notes and accepts LFE signal from your processor just like subs. They are kinda pricey but if you add more subs and you still need extra tactice response these will do the trick especially if you're on concrete slab. Another trick is just to build a small riser or lift your seats few inches from ground to get that extra tactile feel. You don't have to do it, was just an option since you mentioned you are not getting enough tactile response.

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If you can afford the Meyer setup, then go for it. It will be like a commercial theater sound wise, which is not a bad thing except for lack of bass under 20hz.

If you're going the professional direction, have you taken a look at JBL cinema? I believe JBL is in more theaters than any other or maybe all others combined.

As for ported subs, yes they do provide more tactile feel. Not sure what the cost of the Meyer subs are, but you can probably get much more powerful ported subs from JTR or PSA for less.
I have looked at JBL Pro stuff but based on the research I've done, it seems Meyer Sound stuff is a step up from the JBL Pro stuff.

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Not sure what you mean by "fake" but there is a reason they exist. They are not meant to replace subs but work with your subs. Many "bass heads" that have 8+ subs in their theaters also have transducers for even more feel. The difference is they are not "one noted" sound like other bass shakers which only just shakes the couch. Crowsons are actually linear transducers which are different and actually lifts your seats and play true LFE notes and accepts LFE signal from your processor just like subs. They are kinda pricey but if you add more subs and you still need extra tactice response these will do the trick especially if you're on concrete slab. Another trick is just to build a small riser or lift your seats few inches from ground to get that extra tactile feel. You don't have to do it, was just an option since you mentioned you are not getting enough tactile response.
By "fake" I meant artificial "sensations" (in terms of bass). I just want to feel what the subwoofers are providing instead of inducing feel/shack from other means.
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For the one owning the RP line speakers, how did you set up your crossover? (considering you have a good sub).
1) did you use your receiver calibration and left it there.
2) did you follow the "best practice" and set it up to 80.
3) did you change to something different.

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For the one owning the RP line speakers, how did you set up your crossover? (considering you have a good sub).
1) did you use your receiver calibration and left it there.
2) did you follow the "best practice" and set it up to 80.
3) did you change to something different.

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My speakers and gear is in signature. I am using all speakers at small with 80hz crossover. All bass signals is sent 80hz and below for movies and the LFE signal is 120hz and below. But I use my RP280s full range in music 2.0 only analog from player bypassing any processing on my prepro.

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i'm not too impressed with the 'high sensitivity'
loudness does not appear to be significantly higher than previous speakers i had (ascend340s). i'm listening to my usual -19 (although new is AVR marantz 1506) ... and actually seems to be less loud than i remember..
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i'm not too impressed with the 'high sensitivity'
loudness does not appear to be significantly higher than previous speakers i had (ascend340s). i'm listening to my usual -19 (although new is AVR marantz 1506) ... and actually seems to be less loud than i remember..
After calibration, -19db is -19db.

And the Ascends are pretty efficient.

And Klipsch overstates the efficiency of their speakers.

And auditory memory is fleeting.

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Thanks.

How's this 7.1.4 setup? Will appreciate any feedback.

Projector: *still deciding*
Screen: 120" (diagonal) 16:9 DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT Screen
Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc player: OPPO UDP-203
Processor: Anthem AVM 60
Amplifiers: 1 x Parasound A 51 + 2 x Parasound A 31
Mains: 2 x Klipsch RF-7 III
Center: 1 x Klipsch RF-7 III
Side surrounds: 2 x Klipsch RP-250S or 2 x Klipsch RP-160M
Back surrounds: 2 x Klipsch RP-250S or 2 x Klipsch RP-160M
Ceiling speakers: 4 x Klipsch RP-160M (any thoughts/comments on how to mount them to a concrete ceiling?)
Subwoofers: 2 x Seaton Sound SubMersive HPi+ + 2 x Seaton Sound SubMersive HP-Slave
Not sure if someone pointed this out but the back surrounds should be monopoles from what I understand, so 160M is better.

Also it depends on how far away your side surrounds are from the MLP. If they are close to the listening position, the 250S is probably better, but I believe Atmos/X ideally should have all monopoles if you can get the side surrounds far enough away from MLP.

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So this is a hard one. I believe there was a noticeable difference, but that is up to each listener. For me the spend was not a huge deal as I was upgrading the receiver and subs as well. If money is real tight I don't know if I would say the spend is worth it. I like the improvements, but is it dramatic I can't say that.


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65" Wall mounted Samsung smart 3d tv; Pioneer Elite VSX-80 AVR; Sony PS3 Bluray player; 2 Klipsch RF-35 L/R floor standing; 1 Klipsch RC-62 ii Center; 2 Klipsch R-14m front heights; 2 Klipsch R-14m surround back; 2 Klipsch R-14s surround sides; 12" Mirage FRX-S12 subwoofer; 12" Klipsch Sub12 subwoofer
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