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post #52231 of 52251 Old 04-17-2017, 10:50 PM
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EDIT: specs on those speakers go down to 32 so you could try 40, I would probably try 60 or 50 first. But again each time you change this run another calibration.
In general you can go higher but should not go lower than crossover Adyssey set.
Confused why you're suggesting to rerun Audyssey if the op changes the speaker crossovers. There is no reason to do so. Rerunning Audyssey would ignore and erase any speaker settings anyway.

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Confused why you're suggesting to rerun Audyssey if the op changes the speaker crossovers. There is no reason to do so. Rerunning Audyssey would ignore and erase any speaker settings anyway.
Sorry, You are correct, thought I deleted that when I edited it. What I should have said: If after setting mains to small and adjusting crossover your still not happy, then play with speaker placement and toe-in, do sub crawl and rerun Audyssey and remember to set mains back to small.
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I need help.

I'm just not hearing the benefit of the enabled atmos speakers in the 280fa's (I ran Audyssey and did not make any manual adjustments). Granted, my setup is 3.0.2 (rear speakers getting delivered on Tuesday) but I was still expecting to hear some over head effects.

I watched Mad Max: Fury Road and San Andreas and while they both sounded great, I did not get the atmos experience I was expecting.

Will I notice a huge difference once I incorporate the rear surrounds or will it just sound more like a 5.1 setup?

I know this is not an easy question to answer but I was just wondering if you guys had any thoughts.

I was originally going to post this in the atmos chat but since its related to Klipsch speakers, I figured I would try here first.

Additional info....my room is 18x13.5 with 8' flat ceiling.

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I don't have any personal experience with Dolby Atmos speakers but I was listening to the HTGuys podcast (really well done, these guys are always worth a listen) and Ara Derderian said that he didn't see a huge benefit to his Atmos set up, at least not yet. I'm paraphrasing from bad memory but he seemed to think that Hollywood hasn't quite gotten the knack for dealing with Atmos sound effects and over time you will see an improvement. In larger rooms the effects should be a bit more apparent, in smaller rooms you will not get the effects given how overwhelming the sound may already be in a small room. I don't think this is a Klipsch issue for you. What Ara said made sense to me. It's the state of the art not quite there yet to take advantage of the hardware available. Give it time, it may improve. Check out their podcast. Really well done.
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I don't have any personal experience with Dolby Atmos speakers but I was listening to the HTGuys podcast (really well done, these guys are always worth a listen) and Ara Derderian said that he didn't see a huge benefit to his Atmos set up, at least not yet. I'm paraphrasing from bad memory but he seemed to think that Hollywood hasn't quite gotten the knack for dealing with Atmos sound effects and over time you will see an improvement. In larger rooms the effects should be a bit more apparent, in smaller rooms you will not get the effects given how overwhelming the sound may already be in a small room. I don't think this is a Klipsch issue for you. What Ara said made sense to me. It's the state of the art not quite there yet to take advantage of the hardware available. Give it time, it may improve. Check out their podcast. Really well done.
I have listened to their podcast in the past but not this particular episode but I totally agree with what was said.

I just came to that same conclusion last night. My receiver only has 7 channels and my atmos add-ons were using 2 of them for no apparently reason. I've never really heard anything overhead except partially during an actual atmos demo. I disconnected that add-ons and added my back surrounds back to my system. My theater is on the smaller side and sound is usually bouncing all over the room anyhow so if the atmos speakers were adding anything at all (I don't really think they did), it couldn't be detected with the other speakers going during a movie.

The bad part about it for me what that I bought a whole new receiver just for Atmos and Dts:X. A big waste of money for a receiver and add-ons. My old Onkyo 809 ran my 7 channels with ease. It just seems that nothing released is ever fully baked and becomes a gimmick. Bought a 3D projector. Glad it's great for 2D also because 3D never actually caught on all that well. 3D TV's, also not so much.

I did learn a lesson though. I will NEVER buy another product that promises additional services that will only appear after the return window has closed.....DTS:X and Atmos.

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I need help.

I'm just not hearing the benefit of the enabled atmos speakers in the 280fa's (I ran Audyssey and did not make any manual adjustments). Granted, my setup is 3.0.2 (rear speakers getting delivered on Tuesday) but I was still expecting to hear some over head effects.

I watched Mad Max: Fury Road and San Andreas and while they both sounded great, I did not get the atmos experience I was expecting.

Will I notice a huge difference once I incorporate the rear surrounds or will it just sound more like a 5.1 setup?

I know this is not an easy question to answer but I was just wondering if you guys had any thoughts.

I was originally going to post this in the atmos chat but since its related to Klipsch speakers, I figured I would try here first.

Additional info....my room is 18x13.5 with 8' flat ceiling.
Not sure about your AVR. I was just reading the Denon 4300H manual and found this.

"This unit is compatible with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X which offers an even wider
and deeper surround sensation.
Dolby Atmos is not supported in a 5.1-channel or less speaker configuration.
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I need help.

I'm just not hearing the benefit of the enabled atmos speakers in the 280fa's (I ran Audyssey and did not make any manual adjustments). Granted, my setup is 3.0.2 (rear speakers getting delivered on Tuesday) but I was still expecting to hear some over head effects.

I watched Mad Max: Fury Road and San Andreas and while they both sounded great, I did not get the atmos experience I was expecting.

Will I notice a huge difference once I incorporate the rear surrounds or will it just sound more like a 5.1 setup?

I know this is not an easy question to answer but I was just wondering if you guys had any thoughts.

I was originally going to post this in the atmos chat but since its related to Klipsch speakers, I figured I would try here first.

Additional info....my room is 18x13.5 with 8' flat ceiling.
Since you are not using a approved Atmos configuration. My guess is you can't run Audyssey yet.

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Thank you guys for you replys.

Just to clarify, my setup is currently 3.0.2 (wife wont let me hookup the subs yet and my rear surrounds don't arrive until Tuesday)

I was able to get atmos to work by setting amp assign to 9.1 and running Audyssey again. Ultimately, I had to increase Height R and L by 4db.

I can't believe what a difference it made.

Again, thanks for the feedback fellas.
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I need help.

I'm just not hearing the benefit of the enabled atmos speakers in the 280fa's (I ran Audyssey and did not make any manual adjustments). Granted, my setup is 3.0.2 (rear speakers getting delivered on Tuesday) but I was still expecting to hear some over head effects.

I watched Mad Max: Fury Road and San Andreas and while they both sounded great, I did not get the atmos experience I was expecting.

Will I notice a huge difference once I incorporate the rear surrounds or will it just sound more like a 5.1 setup?

I know this is not an easy question to answer but I was just wondering if you guys had any thoughts.

I was originally going to post this in the atmos chat but since its related to Klipsch speakers, I figured I would try here first.

Additional info....my room is 18x13.5 with 8' flat ceiling.
I recently kind of got my room going- temporarily have a tv in now for time being, awaiting screen and projector. Receiver is yamaha 3060.
I have the room wired for 9.2.6 and currently using 7.1.4. Using 280f for mains and 450c center and RS62II's for side and back surrounds ( might upgrade to RF7IIIs someday when available). ceiling speakers are CDT-5800 x6.

This is my first time hearing Atmos myself. I was skeptical at first and wondered if all the extra speakers, wiring and cost was worth it. I have to say I am glad I did it. first movie I watched was gravity- and it was amazing. Back surrounds were very active too. I mean that soundtrack rocked. My opinion is a movie done like this will standout much more than a heavy action packed movie. sometimes with all the sounds, things can get a bit overwhelming and lost with so much going on at once. But fly-overs of planes is pretty cool. If soundtrack is done right it can be a very cool experience instead of a big jumbled mess of sounds.

My ceilings are 10ft. so maybe that helps. Room is also dead quiet so that maybe another factor.
coming from watching movies in surround sound in my living room all these years to a dedicated treated room is a huge difference. night and day and really feels like the movies. I think this plays into the Atmos factor as well.

I have never heard the 280f's or any up firing atmos speaker so I cannot comment on how they portray Atmos soundtracks compared to ceiling speakers. Maybe location or reflections is affecting the sound in your setup. I don't think its a Klipsch thing- I mean Klipsch are great for movie soundtracks. Maybe try positioning the speakers a bit different if possible. experiment a bit when you have all your speakers in place. Also i found that acoustic wall treatments made a big difference too,
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Thank you guys for you replys.

Just to clarify, my setup is currently 3.0.2 (wife wont let me hookup the subs yet and my rear surrounds don't arrive until Tuesday)

I was able to get atmos to work by setting amp assign to 9.1 and running Audyssey again. Ultimately, I had to increase Height R and L by 4db.

I can't believe what a difference it made.

Again, thanks for the feedback fellas.
When you get your side surrounds installed. Run Audyssey again but you shouldn't need to increase the gain on the height speakers.
They are suppose to add to the experience, not be loud enough to be the experience.

Also Atmos isn't just about overhead sounds. It is about placing audio objects in 3D space. Having them louder will skew the location.
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Hi,

Looking for a new AVR. What do you guys recommend pairing with Klipsch speakers. Some of the receivers I'm considering are:

1. Pioneer SC-LX501
2. Yamaha RX-A1060
3. Denon AVR-X3300

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Hi,

Looking for a new AVR. What do you guys recommend pairing with Klipsch speakers. Some of the receivers I'm considering are:

1. Pioneer SC-LX501
2. Yamaha RX-A1060
3. Denon AVR-X3300

Thanks for the help.


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The Denon. It has the best version of the Audyssey room equalization program, which is the best room equalization program of those 3 brands. It will properly set up your speakers and two subs. Supposedly Pioneer has quality issues these days, I don't know if its true, but it something to think about. Yamaha is just as good as Denon quality wise, but Audyssey is widely considered better than YPAO for speaker setup.
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Looking for a new AVR. What do you guys recommend pairing with Klipsch speakers. Some of the receivers I'm considering are:

1. Pioneer SC-LX501
2. Yamaha RX-A1060
3. Denon AVR-X3300

Thanks for the help.


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To expand on my topic, I'm mostly interested in what AVR's you guys that have Klipsch speakers are using. What do you like and dislike about them with the Klipsch speakers? If you have one of the ones I'm considering and could give me a detailed run down that would be even better. Not interested in people's opinions of stuff they don't even own or people looking to bash brands just because of what they heard. Thanks


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To expand on my topic, I'm mostly interested in what AVR's you guys that have Klipsch speakers are using. What do you like and dislike about them with the Klipsch speakers? If you have one of the ones I'm considering and could give me a detailed run down that would be even better. Not interested in people's opinions of stuff they don't even own or people looking to bash brands just because of what they heard. Thanks


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You need to give us a budget you can spend on AVR. Any AVR will work, just sepends on how much power and bells and whistles you're looking for. Some have better SQ than others but that is gonna cost you. But personally I'm not big on AVRs, I much prefer seperates so I can't comment on the specific AVRs you listed since I haven't heard those models.

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Looking for a new AVR. What do you guys recommend pairing with Klipsch speakers. Some of the receivers I'm considering are:

1. Pioneer SC-LX501
2. Yamaha RX-A1060
3. Denon AVR-X3300

Thanks for the help.


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To expand on my topic, I'm mostly interested in what AVR's you guys that have Klipsch speakers are using. What do you like and dislike about them with the Klipsch speakers? If you have one of the ones I'm considering and could give me a detailed run down that would be even better. Not interested in people's opinions of stuff they don't even own or people looking to bash brands just because of what they heard. Thanks


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I'm running the Marantz sr7010 with my Klipsch rf-7 II's. I've been very happy with the combo and the Marantz has performed flawlessly. I also considered Yamaha as well as Denon.
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To expand on my topic, I'm mostly interested in what AVR's you guys that have Klipsch speakers are using. What do you like and dislike about them with the Klipsch speakers? If you have one of the ones I'm considering and could give me a detailed run down that would be even better. Not interested in people's opinions of stuff they don't even own or people looking to bash brands just because of what they heard. Thanks


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I'm in the "they all sound the same" camp. Buy the one that has the features you want that fits your budget.

They really only differ in their room correction software. Denon did just release their app ($20) that lets you customize Audyssey. Seems to be pretty useful. IIRC it is available for the 3300.

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You need to give us a budget you can spend on AVR. Any AVR will work, just sepends on how much power and bells and whistles you're looking for. Some have better SQ than others but that is gonna cost you. But personally I'm not big on AVRs, I much prefer seperates so I can't comment on the specific AVRs you listed since I haven't heard those models.


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Few questions...

1. What is the max and peak SPL capability of the RP-160M? Will they be able to keep up with the RF-7 III and RC-64 III as side and back surrounds?

2. If I get a RF-7 III and RC-64 III based setup and want ceiling speakers (but they cannot be in-ceiling due to my concrete ceiling), could I use the JBL Pro SCS 8 speakers for the Atmos/DTS:X ceiling speakers? They can be easily mounted to a ceiling as they come with a bracket. These speakers are often used for Atmos/DTS:X duties in JBL Pro setups but I am not sure how well they will mate with the Klipsch speakers.

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While looking at the specs of the 280af, I noticed that the mains are rated to 150 watts while the heights are only rated to 75 watts. Do the ATMOS AVRs automatically take this into account? If I'm pushing the volume any worry that i'll blow the heights with an AVR like the Denon 4300H that says it can push 125 to all 9 channels?
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While looking at the specs of the 280af, I noticed that the mains are rated to 150 watts while the heights are only rated to 75 watts. Do the ATMOS AVRs automatically take this into account? If I'm pushing the volume any worry that i'll blow the heights with an AVR like the Denon 4300H that says it can push 125 to all 9 channels?
You'll be fine. The heights won't need as much power as the bulk of the sound will be coming through the mains. Plus, Klipsch are more efficient than most, and are louder with less power. Unless you are listening at truly loud levels, shouldn't be an issue. The heights will be able to take the occasional burst of clean power over 75 watts, if needed. If you are ever able to take the full 150 watts rms through the mains without your ears bleeding, I'll be impressed.

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