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Temple of the Dog sounds great coming from my Palladiums, tinged with sadness today. RIP Chris Cornell.

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Temple of the Dog sounds great coming from my Palladiums, tinged with sadness today. RIP Chris Cornell.
I'm listening to some now, what a shame he is gone.

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Temple of the Dog sounds great coming from my Palladiums, tinged with sadness today. RIP Chris Cornell.
It is sad to see all of the grunge guys die off. Last year it was Scott Weiland and now Chris. Both were awesome musicians.

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I currently have a Denon AVR-X4300H that will be used to run a 5.1 setup with RP-280F, RP-450C & RP-160M, the rooms volume is around 4,400. The X4300H's 5 Channels continuously driven @ 8-Ohm Load = 94.6 watts,

50% HT Duty, 50% Music, Both at 50-70% volume most of the time. Never bringing to insanely loud levels though.

What do i gain if i add either a Monolith 7x200 or Emotiva XPA Gen3 to the mix and drive ALL channels with one of those amps?

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I currently have a Denon AVR-X4300H that will be used to run a 5.1 setup with RP-280F, RP-450C & RP-160M, the rooms volume is around 4,400. The X4300H's 5 Channels continuously driven @ 8-Ohm Load = 94.6 watts,

50% HT Duty, 50% Music, Both at 50-70% volume most of the time. Never bringing to insanely loud levels though.

What do i gain if i add either a Monolith 7x200 or Emotiva XPA Gen3 to the mix and drive ALL channels with one of those amps?

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A lighter wallet mostly.

Room volume matters little for speakers. It's mainly the distance to the listening position. Since you have a sub I assume you have your speakers set to small with a crossover so you would IMO gain little at your listening levels.

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A lighter wallet mostly.

Room volume matters little for speakers. It's mainly the distance to the listening position. Since you have a sub I assume you have your speakers set to small with a crossover so you would IMO gain little at your listening levels.
Kinda what I was thinking, good to have confirmation from more than myself. Thanks,
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A lighter wallet mostly.

Room volume matters little for speakers. It's mainly the distance to the listening position. Since you have a sub I assume you have your speakers set to small with a crossover so you would IMO gain little at your listening levels.
After reading your answer I went out an d looked to see why small, because I thought it would be large. I found this that helped understand. Now I have KPS-440's with built in subs so mine would be set at large. I need to check my LFE settings though. I do know I get enough bass for my wife, because she doesn't like it when I turn it up. I am running 5-200 Marantz Mono blocks for power. It will sound better once I get the walls down and treated.

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Still interested in feedback from other users but asked Klipsch and they told me seating distance is fairly flexible and gave a range of 10-20ft. So hopefully they will work and can adjust the angle a bit if needed. I'm assuming their is just much more dispersion with the upfiring modules so they angles don't necessarily match up with the angle ranges Dolby recommends for in-ceilings?
Ideally, you want your front speakers to be equidistant to your Main Listening Position (MLP). That's where I would put the 140's. Of course, Klipsch is Klipsch. They won't steer you wrong. Why can't you put them on your front speakers?

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Ideally, you want your front speakers to be equidistant to your Main Listening Position (MLP). That's where I would put the 140's. Of course, Klipsch is Klipsch. They won't steer you wrong. Why can't you put them on your front speakers?
I think you may have misunderstood me. I would put them on my front speakers. It's just that MLP is relatively far from front speakers at ~15 ft so the question was will the reflection point be to far in front of the MLP to create an adequate height effect.

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Voicing curve- La Scala II

Do you guys have a particular voicing curve that compliments the La Scala?

My pre-pro allows user created voicing curves to be applied, using up to 8 filters per curve.

Each filter allows for choice of filter-type, crossover, Q, and gain.

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Kinda what I was thinking, good to have confirmation from more than myself. Thanks,
Even if you were to get an outboard amp for that setup, no reason to power all the speakers with it, getting a 2 or 3 channel amp for the fronts would be just as effective at a lower cost. It's what I do, but I listen at higher levels than you.

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Even if you were to get an outboard amp for that setup, no reason to power all the speakers with it, getting a 2 or 3 channel amp for the fronts would be just as effective at a lower cost. It's what I do, but I listen at higher levels than you.
So did you notice a difference between ur Denon's internal amp and the Emotiva XPA Gen3 when powering your RP's? Whats ur front setup exactly?

Yeah i know these bookshelf's would not honestly benefit from such an Amp powering them, more or less for future upgrade path once im in a larger room with the ability to push multiple pairs of floor standing units and for the few SACD's ive got.
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I think you may have misunderstood me. I would put them on my front speakers. It's just that MLP is relatively far from front speakers at ~15 ft so the question was will the reflection point be to far in front of the MLP to create an adequate height effect.
If Klipsch says 10-20 ft. is acceptable, then do it. You must have a big TV or projector to be sitting that far back.

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I listen at high playback volumes for HT, AND have my 7II's crossed at 60hz, I prefer my Outlaw amp and preamp vs an AVR. That being said, you have to consider everything when considering an amp.

A lot of folks will give you a blanket "Klipsch only needs 5 watts" speech, but there is a lot more to it, especially transients. I can also hear a difference when running the 7II's in 2 channel pure mode for music, the dual 10's really kick.

Plus, during long movies, nothing in my setup gets above warm.
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If Klipsch says 10-20 ft. is acceptable, then do it. You must have a big TV or projector to be sitting that far back.
I wish that were the case. Just a suboptimaly placed sofa in terms of HT. It's a big living room and furniture decisions were made before I had much of an HT setup. My wife has allowed all equipment so far but no way I could re-arrange the room. It is what it is. Will get a bigger tv when oled prices come down.
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want these stands for my rp160ms

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A1YX7EB80E4EIU

reviews say they are top heavy so im not sure yet. just want inexpensive but sturdy stands
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So did you notice a difference between ur Denon's internal amp and the Emotiva XPA Gen3 when powering your RP's? Whats ur front setup exactly?

Yeah i know these bookshelf's would not honestly benefit from such an Amp powering them, more or less for future upgrade path once im in a larger room with the ability to push multiple pairs of floor standing units and for the few SACD's ive got.
The only thing I get out of it is not getting my Denon so hot it runs a really loud fan. I have an Emotiva gen3 3 channel 300 wpc 2 channels driven, 275 wpc 3 channels driven. Basically, I have my Denon run the side rear channels, and when I get them set up, the surround back. If you don't set your fan off, you probably don't need an external amp. However, it does take strain off your receiver.
If you have the money, a 2 or 3 channel amp would give you some headroom, but to replace all of the Denon's channels with an outboard amp would be unnecessarily expensive. I play multichannel music really loudly at times, with the Emotiva running the LCR, and the Denon running the surrounds, and it works great. If I do the same thing with just the Denon, it still sounds great, but the Denon gets really hot.

Not only would your bookshelves not benefit from an external amp, you wouldn't be able to use the full ability of your amp. I had a pair of Rp 150m, and they would distort somewhere between 80-150Hz without even getting close to straining my Emotiva. Even with my RP-260f, if I'm playing loudly, I have to run my crossover all the way at 150 Hz to stop the potential of midbass distortion. At some point, I will buy a pair of RP-280f, and move the 260's to surround, and they should be able to handle all the power, no sweat. (Based on previous experience with the similar RF-82 II)

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Hey guys I have a chance to get pair like new RB-61II's for good price so I'm thinking to get it and use it against RB-81II's ( front height) on top back wall behind sofa facing down to MLP to have 4 speakers 🔊 for Atmos. Is that good idea? Or leave it for now just like I have front heights and then one day when I will have bigger room get 4 in ceiling speakers for Atmos?
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Hey guys I have a chance to get pair like new RB-61II's for good price so I'm thinking to get it and use it against RB-81II's ( front height) on top back wall behind sofa facing down to MLP to have 4 speakers ? for Atmos. Is that good idea? Or leave it for now just like I have front heights and then one day when I will have bigger room get 4 in ceiling speakers for Atmos?
If the price is that good why not? You can never have enough speakers and like you said someday you might have a bigger room.
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want these stands for my rp160ms

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A1YX7EB80E4EIU

reviews say they are top heavy so im not sure yet. just want inexpensive but sturdy stands


I am looking at stands too, the one from your link is on my list, still looking. I found this one that has a larger base.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/172311844830...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Hey guys I have a chance to get pair like new RB-61II's for good price so I'm thinking to get it and use it against RB-81II's ( front height) on top back wall behind sofa facing down to MLP to have 4 speakers 🔊 for Atmos. Is that good idea? Or leave it for now just like I have front heights and then one day when I will have bigger room get 4 in ceiling speakers for Atmos?
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I am looking at stands too, the one from your link is on my list, still looking. I found this one that has a larger base.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/172311844830...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
i found them on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PSTND35-...+Speaker+Stand

still not sure what to do here. looks like your stands reviewed a lil less positive vs the ones i asked about. i like that you can just clamp the speakers.
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i found them on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PSTND35-...+Speaker+Stand

still not sure what to do here. looks like your stands reviewed a lil less positive vs the ones i asked about. i like that you can just clamp the speakers.
I have those. Very study, especially for the price. I don't know if they're especially stable. They're fine for me, because they aren't in a spot where people should touch them. I wouldn't consider them unstable, either, just not any better than the ones they replaced. I'd be nervous putting heavy speakers on them at full extension. I think if you center the weight properly, they should be fine. I have the weight un-centered at the moment, and they are OK at about 4 ft.
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want these stands for my rp160ms

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A1YX7EB80E4EIU

reviews say they are top heavy so im not sure yet. just want inexpensive but sturdy stands
I I have those stands and they are pretty good as long as no one will be next to them. They are holding the r-15's.
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