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Good deal, you'll like them. One point, if you play loudly, you'll want a subwoofer if you don't already have one. The RP-260's can be overdriven in the bass, in my experience. But, they sound great until you do. I've had no problem whatsoever with the RP250c. When RP280f go on sale, I'm going to get them, and move the RP-260f to surround. Don't let me scare you off by loudly, I mean REALLY EFFING LOUD.

If you do have subwoofers, I would recommend crossing all your new speakers at 80 Hz, even the towers. Then, they can do what they do best, and the subwoofers can do what they do best. If you get crazy loud like I do sometimes, the towers need to cross at 150 Hz.
Mains should be able to handle 150Hz. Unless they're satellites. Overdriven will cause distortion and possible speaker damage.

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I understand why you would set your crossover at 80 Hz, but what benefit do you get by crossing over your speakers to your sub at 150 Hz?
The towers distort in the mid bass as high levels, moving the crossover to 150 fixes that. It's why I'm getting 280f when they go on sale and move the 260 to surround. My experience with the RF82 II leads me to believe the RP 280f won't have this problem.

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The towers distort in the mid bass as high levels, moving the crossover to 150 fixes that. It's why I'm getting 280f when they go on sale and move the 260 to surround. My experience with the RF82 II leads me to believe the RP 280f won't have this problem.
Speakerwise that sounds like a plan, but insofar as your bass settings I agree with Mongo. I didn't catch what AVR you are using or the SPL/MV after calibration you are talking about but when you move those 260Fs to surrounds you would still want them to go lower than 150. Fwiw, I used RF-3 as surrounds for years with great results...If you listen at really loud levels or have a really big room you may not be providing enough current to your speakers and that is why they are clipping--Just my 2 cents and good luck. {Note: Another reason may be the setting you are playing material on}
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Speakerwise that sounds like a plan, but insofar as your bass settings I agree with Mongo. I didn't catch what AVR you are using or the SPL/MV after calibration you are talking about but when you move those 260Fs to surrounds you would still want them to go lower than 150. Fwiw, I used RF-3 as surrounds for years with great results...If you listen at really loud levels or have a really big room you may not be providing enough current to your speakers and that is why they are clipping--Just my 2 cents and good luck. {Note: Another reason may be the setting you are playing material on}
I'm not being clear. I run my crossovers at 80. except when playing very loud music, then I set the mains crossever to 150 for the towers so that I don't damage them. When I put the 260f as surrounds, I will cross them at 80 Hz. My LCR Amp is a 300wpc Emotiva, it seems unlikely it's the problem. It's how loud I occasionally listen to music for short periods of time that is the problem.

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... It's how loud I occasionally listen to music for short periods of time that is the problem.
How loud are you talking about? As an example, I have my HT calibrated using Audyssey and listen to multichannel music between 16 dB to 18 dB on the MV. This gives me an average SPL between 80 to 85 dB with peaks near 100 on some material (mostly mid-90s)...

With movies we watch anywhere between -12 to -3 on the MV which gives us near THX levels at the MP. Honestly, most would consider my listening habits as a LOUD>
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How loud are you talking about? As an example, I have my HT calibrated using Audyssey and listen to multichannel music between 16 dB to 18 dB on the MV. This gives me an average SPL between 80 to 85 dB with peaks near 100 on some material (mostly mid-90s)...

With movies we watch anywhere between -12 to -3 on the MV which gives us near THX levels at the MP. Honestly, most would consider my listening habits as a LOUD>
agreed, I listen a -2db to +2db

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The towers distort in the mid bass as high levels, moving the crossover to 150 fixes that. It's why I'm getting 280f when they go on sale and move the 260 to surround. My experience with the RF82 II leads me to believe the RP 280f won't have this problem.
slightly less with 280 but still there, eexact reasonI went with (4) RF7II and no distortion. Took sound to new level. If your expecting a big difference between RF82II and the 280 you will not be very happy. They 280 are a bit less harsh, but less dynamic. Neither will compare to the RF7II. You like music get them man, find B stock and save big $$$$

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agreed, I listen a -2db to +2db
The Highest MVwise material I've listened to is the TALKING HEADS "Stop Making Sense" DVD, which we play at +3 to get the 82+ average SPL threshold...On Blu-ray concerts the loudest by far (again, MVwise) is ROBERT PLANT and BAND OF JOY which we play at -3 before it gets "too loud."

Most DVD-As and SACDs I listen at -16 to -18 pretty religiously and don't notice too many that go beyond that range to accomplish adequate SPLs.
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How loud are you talking about? As an example, I have my HT calibrated using Audyssey and listen to multichannel music between 16 dB to 18 dB on the MV. This gives me an average SPL between 80 to 85 dB with peaks near 100 on some material (mostly mid-90s)...

With movies we watch anywhere between -12 to -3 on the MV which gives us near THX levels at the MP. Honestly, most would consider my listening habits as a LOUD>
I don't know, I've never measure it. I haven't gone the REW route, although I could grab my 20 year old RS SPL meter, and put some batteries in it to give me an idea. I tried to measure it on my phone, but seems to be limited to only 80 db. I'm pretty sure I'm partially deaf. I'm not sh*tting on the RP 260f, I'm sure I'm pushing them past their design limits.

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