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[quote=drh3b;53829705]This guy did it. Not sure this is what you meant, though.


Whoa, that is amazing! Shame I can't this kind of setup in my house. Does anyone have experience with using atmos enabled height speakers with a heritage sound setup?
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This guy did it. Not sure this is what you meant, though.


Whoa, that is amazing! Shame I can't this kind of setup in my house. Does anyone have experience with using atmos enabled height speakers with a heritage sound setup?
My understanding is that Atmos speakers don't have to exactly voice match, as your ears aren't as sensitive to sounds that aren't coming from in front. You could probably just buy some Klipsch Atmos speakers. Get them from Crutchfield, as they have $10 returns, with I believe a 60 return window, if you decide they don't work out.

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After 8 years of having Polk Monitor 70's as the main speakers in my TV room, I decided it was time to try something new so I have a set of Klipsch RP-280Fs on the way. Ordered them directly from Klipsch and got an additional 10% discount added to the already decent price of $479 each. Not too bad of a deal in my opinion.

Now, the new speakers will be delivered on Monday and I hope I like them better than the Polks. The Polks are okay for TV/Movies (how good does a speaker setup have to be to hear Sylvester Stallone mumble "Yo, Adrienne!"? LOL), but for music I found them to be fairly average. I have an old set of Sansui SP-2500's that I replaced the crossover caps in and they sound just as good as the Polk Monitor 70's if not better (for music). RP-280Fs will probably get 60% use for tv/movies and 40% for music.

Sadly, with the demise of local stereo shops where one could go audition speakers before buying, I had to buy these unheard and I am just going on faith in the decent reviews that Klipsch gets.

If I like the RP-280Fs well enough for music, I will probably set them up with an integrated amp and cd-player (both of which I have had in the past but went bye-bye in a divorce...which would still have been a bargain at twice the price!!!!) and keep the Polks for TV/Movies.
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[quote=drh3b;53825825]First of all, excellent speakers, I'm a little jealous of your LCR.
Yes, the surrounds go on the side walls. I believe there are issues associated with being up against the back wall, but I don't remember what they are, plus Audyssey should help mitigate them.
I read somewhere that wides provide more of an experience than heights, YMMV.
For just a small amount of coin, you could add these for heights, you don't need expensive speakers.
Right now, they're kind of high at $149, Newegg is constantly running sales on them for $100 and less.

Thank you for the reply. I actually have more klipsch speakers that I forgot I had. (I buy and sell stuff online and have these) I have the RB-10......RB61 II.....R-14M and then also the RP-160M.

I know I am using these speakers as these.

RF7 II mains
rc64 II center
rp-250s as rears...or would the rp-160m be better as rears for some reason?
r115sw

with the extra speakers listed above are you saying I should go ahead and do a 9.1 setup with heights and wides......out of the 4 bookshelf speakers listed above which 2 would you use and where would you put them.

Remember I do not have space in the room for REAR back surrounds

Thanks again.
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Hello,

I am the proud owner of a pair of 280FA speakers (as well as the other reference speakers) and I am not quite sure how to connect them to my Yamaha A1000 receiver. I will be getting a new Yamaha receiver with Atmos once they are released in July so in the meantime I can't use the Atmos channel. I am just looking to connect the main L/R speakers. This is the first speaker I own that I can bi-amp which I am not going to do - so if I just connect the black/red cables to the "high" or "low" speaker connectors and leave the gold plate jumpers in place will that be sufficient?

I just want to make sure that I am doing it right, I don't want to damage these bad boys. BTW these are HUGE!!

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First of all, excellent speakers, I'm a little jealous of your LCR.
Yes, the surrounds go on the side walls. I believe there are issues associated with being up against the back wall, but I don't remember what they are, plus Audyssey should help mitigate them.
I read somewhere that wides provide more of an experience than heights, YMMV.
For just a small amount of coin, you could add these for heights, you don't need expensive speakers.
Right now, they're kind of high at $149, Newegg is constantly running sales on them for $100 and less.

Thank you for the reply. I actually have more klipsch speakers that I forgot I had. (I buy and sell stuff online and have these) I have the RB-10......RB61 II.... and then also the RP-160M.

I know I am using these speakers as these.

RF7 II mains
rc64 II center
rp-250s as rears...or would the rp-160m be better as rears for some reason?
r115sw

with the extra speakers listed above are you saying I should go ahead and do a 9.1 setup with heights and wides......out of the 4 bookshelf speakers listed above which 2 would you use and where would you put them.
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I'll answer the 2nd question first. I have an 11.1 setup, I don't think buying the extra speakers beyond the normal 7.1 was worth it, however, since you have the extra speakers, I'd use the RB-10 as heights, and the RB-61 II as wides. You could probably get away with using the tiny R-14 as wides.

My understanding is that in smaller rooms, the the RP-250s would be better than the 160m, because of "beaming" and in larger rooms it would be personal preference. Since you have both, you could experiment, and see which one you like better,

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Hello,

I am the proud owner of a pair of 280FA speakers (as well as the other reference speakers) and I am not quite sure how to connect them to my Yamaha A1000 receiver. I will be getting a new Yamaha receiver with Atmos once they are released in July so in the meantime I can't use the Atmos channel. I am just looking to connect the main L/R speakers. This is the first speaker I own that I can bi-amp which I am not going to do - so if I just connect the black/red cables to the "high" or "low" speaker connectors and leave the gold plate jumpers in place will that be sufficient?

I just want to make sure that I am doing it right, I don't want to damage these bad boys. BTW these are HUGE!!

Craig
They'll sound great. I have the non Atmos version. Yes, exactly as you described.

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Wohoo! I measured, and my new TV location can fit an RC-64II. So that's my current upgrade goal, keeping the RF-62IIs as floors for now. So what do you guys think would be considered a "good get" for an RC-64II? What price should I try to target for a good deal? And yes I know I'll likely have to be patient and scour for used.
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Wohoo! I measured, and my new TV location can fit an RC-64II. So that's my current upgrade goal, keeping the RF-62IIs as floors for now. So what do you guys think would be considered a "good get" for an RC-64II? What price should I try to target for a good deal? And yes I know I'll likely have to be patient and scour for used.
Good decision with center. Number one speaker what you care about when you decide to watch a movie. I will call Eric from SD and tell him what you looking for, you are not in rush and willing to buy open box as long as is in excellent condition with full warranty. I did it with my LCR speakers so as few otger guys here like @gene4ht . Eric called maybe 3-4 weeks later had set ready for me. You need to act fast and pay fast that is all. Got back then deal what is even hard to get today. Also keep eye on used market as well.

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I'll answer the 2nd question first. I have an 11.1 setup, I don't think buying the extra speakers beyond the normal 7.1 was worth it, however, since you have the extra speakers, I'd use the RB-10 as heights, and the RB-61 II as wides. You could probably get away with using the tiny R-14 as wides.

My understanding is that in smaller rooms, the the RP-250s would be better than the 160m, because of "beaming" and in larger rooms it would be personal preference. Since you have both, you could experiment, and see which one you like better,

So I setup my system exactly as you said and ran audyssey XT32 in like 6 positions. I have done the same thing with my previous speakers and noticed I have to turn these up a lot louder. Before if I was at about -10.0DB is would be loud and if I went to 0.0db it would be SUPER LOUD......I watched a blu ray and a netflix movie and had to set it to 0.0db and it still was not very loud...why is that? The receiver only goes up to 16db and thats the MAX. (I haven't tried that afraid to go max)

All speakers are set to 80hz...pretty sure the sub was set to 120hz and the volume knob on back of sub is probably 40% turn on.

Here is what the AUD EQ automatically set up for each speaker.
front L -5.0db
front L H - -2.0db
center -5.5db
front R H -0.5db
front R -6.0db
front R Wide -5.5db
surround right -7.0db
surround left -4.5db
forgot what left wide was
subwoofer was -5.5db

also set to 8ohm

I just dont understand why I have to turn it up so loud to get it as loud as it was with the other speakers.



what is dynamic eq and should I use that?
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So I setup my system exactly as you said and ran audyssey XT32 in like 6 positions. I have done the same thing with my previous speakers and noticed I have to turn these up a lot louder. Before if I was at about -10.0DB is would be loud and if I went to 0.0db it would be SUPER LOUD......I watched a blu ray and a netflix movie and had to set it to 0.0db and it still was not very loud...why is that? The receiver only goes up to 16db and thats the MAX. (I haven't tried that afraid to go max)

All speakers are set to 80hz...pretty sure the sub was set to 120hz and the volume knob on back of sub is probably 40% turn on.

Here is what the AUD EQ automatically set up for each speaker.
front L -5.0db
front L H - -2.0db
center -5.5db
front R H -0.5db
front R -6.0db
front R Wide -5.5db
surround right -7.0db
surround left -4.5db
forgot what left wide was
subwoofer was -5.5db

also set to 8ohm

I just dont understand why I have to turn it up so loud to get it as loud as it was with the other speakers.



what is dynamic eq and should I use that?
Dynamic Eq is an advanced loudness control. It changes the loudness of the treble and bass based on your volume. It is a personal choice thing. Some people like it, some don't.

The 2nd thing I don't understand, the numbers you have make sense for Klipsch speakers, it should be working perfectly. You might want to re ask the question in the Audyssey thread, it is full of helpful and knowledgeable people. It should be very loud at 0 db. "Official" Audyssey thread Part II

Here are some Audyssey Faqs

"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

"Official" Audyssey thread Part II

Or, it could be a setup issue with your AVR, if I remember correctly, you have the same one I have, Denon AVR-4520, so maybe try this thread:
The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread
The only thing I can come up off the top of my head, is did you accidentally turn your mute on?
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My understanding is that Atmos speakers don't have to exactly voice match, as your ears aren't as sensitive to sounds that aren't coming from in front. You could probably just buy some Klipsch Atmos speakers. Get them from Crutchfield, as they have $10 returns, with I believe a 60 return window, if you decide they don't work out.
Ok so if I build an 11.2 setup using a 4x RP140SA and 7 heritage speakers I should be ok? Got 4 already, so looking for 3 heresys (surround and center). Was thinking about something bigger for the center but I do not want an abnormal height for my television so heresy is the only fitting one i fear :s

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Ok so if I build an 11.2 setup using a 4x RP140SA and 7 heritage speakers I should be ok? Got 4 already, so looking for 3 heresys (surround and center). Was thinking about something bigger for the center but I do not want an abnormal height for my television so heresy is the only fitting one i fear :s

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Dynamic Eq is an advanced loudness control. It changes the loudness of the treble and bass based on your volume. It is a personal choice thing. Some people like it, some don't.

The 2nd thing I don't understand, the numbers you have make sense for Klipsch speakers, it should be working perfectly. You might want to re ask the question in the Audyssey thread, it is full of helpful and knowledgeable people. It should be very loud at 0 db. "Official" Audyssey thread Part II

Here are some Audyssey Faqs

"Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

"Official" Audyssey thread Part II

Or, it could be a setup issue with your AVR, if I remember correctly, you have the same one I have, Denon AVR-4520, so maybe try this thread:
The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread
The only thing I can come up off the top of my head, is did you accidentally turn your mute on?

No, Mute is not on...I dont think I have ever done a firmware upgrade on the Denon...Ive had it a couple years....how important is a update?
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Hi guys,

I am going to buy my first HT system and am currently leaning towards the following :

Left and Right : R-28F x 2
Rear/Surround : R-14S x 2
Center : RC62 MKII
Subwoofer : PB1000 x 1

I was wondering whether the denon x3300 will be suitable for the above or any other reciver you reccomend in this price range.


Appreciate all inputs!
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Hi guys,

I am going to buy my first HT system and am currently leaning towards the following :

Left and Right : R-28F x 2
Rear/Surround : R-14S x 2
Center : RC62 MKII
Subwoofer : PB1000 x 1

I was wondering whether the denon x3300 will be suitable for the above or any other reciver you reccomend in this price range.


Appreciate all inputs!
That should be a great choice. It's the cheapest receiver with the best Audyssey room correction software, and more than enough power to drive Klipsch speakers.
You might want to consider the RP-280f speakers instead of the R-28f, as they are a step up, and on sale this month for only a little more.
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Does anyone have any ideas on how to use a Scala as center if you're using a tv? If I put my tv on top of it, the center of the tv would be be 20-25cm to high. Is it crazy to put the tv in front of the Scala, but with the Horn above the tv? Would this alter the sound of the Scala too much? Would be using side chorusses and a Subwoofer (or 2) so bass reduction is not the problem. Anyone thoughts of experience?
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Does anyone have any ideas on how to use a Scala as center if you're using a tv? If I put my tv on top of it, the center of the tv would be be 20-25cm to high. Is it crazy to put the tv in front of the Scala, but with the Horn above the tv? Would this alter the sound of the Scala too much? Would be using side chorusses and a Subwoofer (or 2) so bass reduction is not the problem. Anyone thoughts of experience?
You might try laying the LaScala on it's side for the center and put the TV on it (with a pad) laying on it's side. If I had two LaScala I would use them for L/R ....... if you run across a nice used Klipsch C7 center from the KLF 10/20/30 series it is awesome with Heritage series for a center, two 8" and a 10" tweeter horn.

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Does anyone have any ideas on how to use a Scala as center if you're using a tv? If I put my tv on top of it, the center of the tv would be be 20-25cm to high. Is it crazy to put the tv in front of the Scala, but with the Horn above the tv? Would this alter the sound of the Scala too much? Would be using side chorusses and a Subwoofer (or 2) so bass reduction is not the problem. Anyone thoughts of experience?
Personally, I think the LaSCala is a perfect fit for a TV base.

It is my intent to do just that (have LaScala sitting in garage right now) however, my wife put my now deceased father in laws fancy buffet under the TV.

It's going to be hard to get her to move it. I personally don't have any sentimental attachment to it but she does so I have to tread carefully.

I also prewired my ceiling so I could have my TV on top of a LaScala and at times, drop a movie screen down and it will fall in front of the TV.
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Is the tweeter in the RP-450C the same as the RP-250F? Since upgrading my receiver I still have an issue with my 450C popping/crackling and sounding scratchy during some dialog. It's happening even at lower volumes now. Best I can figure is the tweeter is damaged somehow. I could swap tweeters with a 250F to test it if they are the same. Fairly certain it's coming from the tweeter.

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Is the tweeter in the RP-450C the same as the RP-250F? Since upgrading my receiver I still have an issue with my 450C popping/crackling and sounding scratchy during some dialog. It's happening even at lower volumes now. Best I can figure is the tweeter is damaged somehow. I could swap tweeters with a 250F to test it if they are the same. Fairly certain it's coming from the tweeter.
Might be the tweeter. Might be the xo. Call Klipsch and see what they say. It does have a 5 year warranty on it.

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Is the tweeter in the RP-450C the same as the RP-250F? Since upgrading my receiver I still have an issue with my 450C popping/crackling and sounding scratchy during some dialog. It's happening even at lower volumes now. Best I can figure is the tweeter is damaged somehow. I could swap tweeters with a 250F to test it if they are the same. Fairly certain it's coming from the tweeter.
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Might be the tweeter. Might be the xo. Call Klipsch and see what they say. It does have a 5 year warranty on it.
Yes, when my tweeter went out on my RF-82 II, I emailed them over night, and they responded later that morning. They were out of stock, so it took 5 weeks to get the tweeter, but they responded very quickly.

You said since upgrading your receiver, which seems to me puts the receiver in play as the problem. Instead of going to the trouble of swapping tweeters, put the 250f in, and if it does the same thing, you know it's the receiver, not the speaker. I wouldn't ever bother rerunning Audyssey, maybe bump the trim up 1-2 db. If after this, you determine that it is the 450c, probably talking to Klipsch support is best, as Mongo suggested.

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You said since upgrading your receiver, which seems to me puts the receiver in play as the problem. Instead of going to the trouble of swapping tweeters, put the 250f in, and if it does the same thing, you know it's the receiver, not the speaker. I wouldn't ever bother rerunning Audyssey, maybe bump the trim up 1-2 db. If after this, you determine that it is the 450c, probably talking to Klipsch support is best, as Mongo suggested.
Sorry I wasn't clear, it was also happening with my old receiver. Since that receiver was much less powerful I thought the amp may have been clipping. The problem is still there in the same speaker with two receivers tested now.

I sent an email to my (authorized) dealer that I purchased the 450 from to see how they want to handle it. Hopefully it's something I can replace myself without having to pack and ship the whole thing.

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Sorry I wasn't clear, it was also happening with my old receiver. Since that receiver was much less powerful I thought the amp may have been clipping. The problem is still there in the same speaker with two receivers tested now.

I sent an email to my (authorized) dealer that I purchased the 450 from to see how they want to handle it. Hopefully it's something I can replace myself without having to pack and ship the whole thing.
Eh, you made it clear, apparently I skipped over the "still" in your sentence. Hopefully, it is just the tweeter, that should be easy to do yourself.

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You said since upgrading your receiver, which seems to me puts the receiver in play as the problem. Instead of going to the trouble of swapping tweeters, put the 250f in, and if it does the same thing, you know it's the receiver, not the speaker. I wouldn't ever bother rerunning Audyssey, maybe bump the trim up 1-2 db. If after this, you determine that it is the 450c, probably talking to Klipsch support is best, as Mongo suggested.
Sorry I wasn't clear, it was also happening with my old receiver. Since that receiver was much less powerful I thought the amp may have been clipping. The problem is still there in the same speaker with two receivers tested now.

I sent an email to my (authorized) dealer that I purchased the 450 from to see how they want to handle it. Hopefully it's something I can replace myself without having to pack and ship the whole thing.
What source? HBO by chance? Male voices when they yell? I noticed this too.
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What source? HBO by chance? Male voices when they yell? I noticed this too.
Any source. The only weird thing about it sounding like the tweeter is that it only happens when there is a lot of bass/midbass up front, even with everything crossed at 80hz. Opening scene in Passengers causes a lot of the popping/scratching.

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Any source. The only weird thing about it sounding like the tweeter is that it only happens when there is a lot of bass/midbass up front, even with everything crossed at 80hz. Opening scene in Passengers causes a lot of the popping/scratching.
Ok. I heard a cackle when a male voice would shout. Really weird. I googled it and others had a similar issue -- not peculiar to Klipsch.
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Does anyone have any ideas on how to use a Scala as center if you're using a tv? If I put my tv on top of it, the center of the tv would be be 20-25cm to high. Is it crazy to put the tv in front of the Scala, but with the Horn above the tv? Would this alter the sound of the Scala too much? Would be using side chorusses and a Subwoofer (or 2) so bass reduction is not the problem. Anyone thoughts of experience?
I have 3 LaScalas for LCR and having a TV sitting on the center shouldn't be a problem. You might need to tilt the TV slightly down toward your sitting position. Is it against a wall where you could wall mount the TV and have more control over the tilt? I have my theater set up with a motorized screen that stops right at the top of the LaScala which puts the focal point of the image at a slight upward angle from my seats and it's not a problem in the least.
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Any source. The only weird thing about it sounding like the tweeter is that it only happens when there is a lot of bass/midbass up front, even with everything crossed at 80hz. Opening scene in Passengers causes a lot of the popping/scratching.
Do you have a Marantz receiver?
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