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I'll let you guys know when I get the replacement and see if it is tight or not, BTW forgot to mention that while waiting for the others and testing it with just the RP-260 F...the sound is awesome and loud, love it really happy with my purchase
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I'll let you guys know when I get the replacement and see if it is tight or not, BTW forgot to mention that while waiting for the others and testing it with just the RP-260 F...the sound is awesome and loud, love it really happy with my purchase
Glad you're happy with the 260's since they seem to be more than enough for most applications, hopefully the next ones don't have the same problem.

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Hey guys, I have the option to create a home theatre with a triple LaScala LCR, Chorus II rears, and heresies for surround. How big should my room be at least to justify this kind of setup? I have everything except the LaScala fronts, but I can buy them for 1700. My tv wall is 4,2 meters wide, big enough to put 3 LaScalas next to each other? The room itself is 5 meter x 6 meter and the couch will be sitting around 1,5-2 meters from the tv.

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Hey guys, I have the option to create a home theatre with a triple LaScala LCR, Chorus II rears, and heresies for surround. How big should my room be at least to justify this kind of setup? I have everything except the LaScala fronts, but I can buy them for 1700. My tv wall is 4,2 meters wide, big enough to put 3 LaScalas next to each other? The room itself is 5 meter x 6 meter and the couch will be sitting around 1,5-2 meters from the tv.
Wow, that will be nice setup. How big is the TV? That will tell you how far back to be from it. Here a calculator I found online that may help.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-...e-relationship

I think the room should be big enough and it looks like you could go to Dolby Atmos since you have the 7011 as well. At some point you could probably add four RP-140SA's or RP-14SA's.
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You have a great setup congrats! Is there something you don't like about your system currently that you are hoping to gain by upgrading? Also, how loud do you usually have your system?

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Well I am quite happy with the 82's, however a few things changed. I upgraded to a 4K 150" and also going ATMOS and added a Klipsch 115sw Sub. So with all that said, I want the sound to match stage to match the visual size. Also (finally) the RF-7 are going for a great price since the ver III is coming out soon. The main thing I am concerned with is, will my Emotiva 200watt sufficiently run the RF-7? since the RF-7 required RMS is 250 watts

Emotiva has a 3 channel XPA at 275 watts (which I would connect to LCR), but it's pushing my budget and also potentially getting to close to my 15amp circuit breaker, as my whole system is running in the same room off the same breaker, everything in my signature is off the same breaker.

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Well I am quite happy with the 82's, however a few things changed. I upgraded to a 4K 150" and also going ATMOS and added a Klipsch 115sw Sub. So with all that said, I want the sound to match stage to match the visual size. Also (finally) the RF-7 are going for a great price since the ver III is coming out soon. The main thing I am concerned with is, will my Emotiva 200watt sufficiently run the RF-7? since the RF-7 required RMS is 250 watts

Emotiva has a 3 channel XPA at 275 watts (which I would connect to LCR), but it's pushing my budget and also potentially getting to close to my 15amp circuit breaker, as my whole system is running in the same room off the same breaker, everything in my signature is off the same breaker.

Any advice/opinion would be greatly appreciated

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I'm pretty sure that's max RMS, not required. 200 watts should be enough to cremate your ears with those speakers. I wouldn't worry about the 15 amp circuit breaker unless you are planning on going deaf.
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I'm pretty sure that's max RMS, not required. 200 watts should be enough to cremate your ears with those speakers. I wouldn't worry about the 15 amp circuit breaker unless you are planning on going deaf.
250 is their regular recommended RMS, the peak is 1,000 watts

From experience, I've noticed it's always better to be at the min RMS or above. But obviously running the amp way less than its max and the sound is extremely cleaner with wide dynamic range and clarity. I have an arraignment t with my neighbors only once a week to run them at theatrical levels. And I do..85db'ish

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250 is their regular recommended RMS, the peak is 1,000 watts

From experience, I've noticed it's always better to be at the min RMS or above. But obviously running the amp way less than its max and the sound is extremely cleaner with wide dynamic range and clarity. I have an arraignment t with my neighbors only once a week to run them at theatrical levels. And I do..85db'ish
You'll be more than fine if 85 dbish is what you maxing out at.

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Wow, that will be nice setup. How big is the TV? That will tell you how far back to be from it. Here a calculator I found online that may help.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-...e-relationship

I think the room should be big enough and it looks like you could go to Dolby Atmos since you have the 7011 as well. At some point you could probably add four RP-140SA's or RP-14SA's.
I got a 65" 4K OLED, so my sitting distance is normally correct (and I like it so far). For the atmos I'm still not sure, ofcourse I want it (thats why I bought the 7011), but the timbre match would not be ideal. Some people said that I could get away with height speakers for atmos (as in that it's better than reflective atmos enabled speakers like the RP140SA), which means I'll probably mount up another 2x pair of heresys (it's almost the same price than new RP140SA).

I also now have the possibility to buy a pair of Klipschorns instead of LaScalas (for less!). Any idea what the wall requirements are for the KHorns (except ofcourse a corner, which I have).

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Has anyone ever tried taking of the top bin of their LaScalas and put the bass bin to the side so they are equally leveled? I'm thinking about trying it out as it would put my tv, which has to be on top of the higher bin, to an ideal hight.
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Has anyone ever tried taking of the top bin of their LaScalas and put the bass bin to the side so they are equally leveled? I'm thinking about trying it out as it would put my tv, which has to be on top of the higher bin, to an ideal hight.
The cables connecting the bins is pretty short if I remember correctly. I simply wall mounted the TV above the center La Scala and angled it at 10 degrees toward the viewing area. The wall mount is able to pull away from the wall so it is about 1-2 inches away from being flush with the front of the speaker and it is raised about 4 inches from the top of the speaker.
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The cables connecting the bins is pretty short if I remember correctly. I simply wall mounted the TV above the center La Scala and angled it at 10 degrees toward the viewing area. The wall mount is able to pull away from the wall so it is about 1-2 inches away from being flush with the front of the speaker and it is raised about 4 inches from the top of the speaker.
Yeah I know it's doable to put it on top of it (or mount it above), so I'm probably gonna end up doing that, but I was thinkering. I know the cables are pretty short, but I could use a connecting adapter and make the cable longer no? My main question and problem is the directivity of the bass. Will it be noticeable that the bass bin is a bit to the side? I was hoping that because of its low frequencies that the difference would be unnoticeable. The bass bin would still be under the tv screen.

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Hey guys, good news...dealer give me my replacement (new) today for the RP-260 F and the horn was tightly sealed. So happy that I changed it as the other one must have been defective. I also got the RP-240 S...i must say that i'm so impressed and I don't even have all of them yet. They sound awesome, even my wife is impressed. Still waiting for the book shelves and the centre.

BTW I have two questions. My speakers are in my medium sized family room. How far would you say it is best to have the front towers away from the wall considering that I am in the family?

As for the bookshelves, how high should I put them above the towers? What is the correct distance between them for Atmos and DTS-X set up and should it be directly above the towers?

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The cables connecting the bins is pretty short if I remember correctly. I simply wall mounted the TV above the center La Scala and angled it at 10 degrees toward the viewing area. The wall mount is able to pull away from the wall so it is about 1-2 inches away from being flush with the front of the speaker and it is raised about 4 inches from the top of the speaker.
PS, can you show me some pics? Wanna know how it looks Also what kind of wall mount do you have? Could you maybe link it? Thanks!

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Clarity question. I have the Denon X3300W, with the RF-62 II L and R mains, RC-62 II center and R-15M's as surrounds. My question is this, at lower volumes the clarity in dialog and front sound stage sound is amazing, at higher volumes, approx -25db and up it seems to loose some clarity in dialog, not distorting, just not as clear and articulate as it is at the lower volume. Is this normal, to lose some clarity at higher volumes. It still sounds great, just not as clear as lower volumes do.
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I'm pretty sure my 4x RS-64 surrounds are cancelling each other out. I calibrated them to 75dB using a level meter, and they are perfectly positioned to THX standards. If I listen to something in all channel stereo, I can't hear the rear surrounds at all in the main listening position, only the fronts/side surrounds. If I walk behind the sofa they are playing at the same volume as everything else, but as I move only a couple feet away the sound from them completely vanishes, almost immediately, and I hear only the sides/fronts again. The only thing I know to cause such a problem is speakers cancelling each other out.

https://community.klipsch.com/index....-or-something/ - This is the only other person I could find having the same issue. He ended up completely removing his 7.1 setup and going back to 5.1. Is there really no other solution here? My guess is because they fire in two directions, the side and backs fire directly at each other and cause them to cancel out. If this is a thing why wouldn't Klipsch warn people not to use 4 of these in 7.1?

Is there anything else I can try? Already double checked the wiring.

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Clarity question. I have the Denon X3300W, with the RF-62 II L and R mains, RC-62 II center and R-15M's as surrounds. My question is this, at lower volumes the clarity in dialog and front sound stage sound is amazing, at higher volumes, approx -25db and up it seems to loose some clarity in dialog, not distorting, just not as clear and articulate as it is at the lower volume. Is this normal, to lose some clarity at higher volumes. It still sounds great, just not as clear as lower volumes do.
High volumes needs room treatment as echos and decay get more and more severe in any modern room. -25dB is still fairly quiet in my opinion, I can't imagine why you'd be having clarity issues that low. I notice no distortion on my RF-7 at even +10dB. Higher end than your setup, but I also have a pair of RF-82s which also are fine at +10dB. The RF-62s can't be much worse. It's honestly the opposite for me in a treated room, the louder the better it sounds.

If -25dB sounds loud to you, I'd imagine your in a super bright room with hardwood floors and/or very little furniture to absorb sound. Klipsch horns hate rooms like that, they really come to life when you cover 30-40% of the walls/ceiling with acoustic panels. My guess is it's your room, layout, or EQ.

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I'm pretty sure my 4x RS-64 surrounds are cancelling each other out. I calibrated them to 75dB using a level meter, and they are perfectly positioned to THX standards. If I listen to something in all channel stereo, I can't hear the rear surrounds at all in the main listening position, only the fronts/side surrounds. If I walk behind the sofa they are playing at the same volume as everything else, but as I move only a couple feet away the sound from them completely vanishes, almost immediately, and I hear only the sides/fronts again. The only thing I know to cause such a problem is speakers cancelling each other out.

https://community.klipsch.com/index....-or-something/ - This is the only other person I could find having the same issue. He ended up completely removing his 7.1 setup and going back to 5.1. Is there really no other solution here? My guess is because they fire in two directions, the side and backs fire directly at each other and cause them to cancel out. If this is a thing why wouldn't Klipsch warn people not to use 4 of these in 7.1?

Is there anything else I can try? Already double checked the wiring.

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Clarity question. I have the Denon X3300W, with the RF-62 II L and R mains, RC-62 II center and R-15M's as surrounds. My question is this, at lower volumes the clarity in dialog and front sound stage sound is amazing, at higher volumes, approx -25db and up it seems to loose some clarity in dialog, not distorting, just not as clear and articulate as it is at the lower volume. Is this normal, to lose some clarity at higher volumes. It still sounds great, just not as clear as lower volumes do.
High volumes needs room treatment as echos and decay get more and more severe in any modern room. -25dB is still fairly quiet in my opinion, I can't imagine why you'd be having clarity issues that low. I notice no distortion on my RF-7 at even +10dB. Higher end than your setup, but I also have a pair of RF-82s which also are fine at +10dB. The RF-62s can't be much worse. It's honestly the opposite for me in a treated room, the louder the better it sounds.

If -25dB sounds loud to you, I'd imagine your in a super bright room with hardwood floors and/or very little furniture to absorb sound. Klipsch horns hate rooms like that, they really come to life when you cover 30-40% of the walls/ceiling with acoustic panels. My guess is it's your room, layout, or EQ.
-25 isn't loud for me at all, it's just where I start to notice it. Floors are carpeted, lots of furniture, room is not acoustically treated. Could be it at really high volumes, -10 and up, that's it's just too loud for my room. I sit about 13ft from the L,C,R and the surrounds are right behind me, couch is against the wall and no way to move it out any. It still sounds really good, just doesn't seem as clear at near reference volume as it does at lower volumes. Hard to explain fully.
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-25 isn't loud for me at all, it's just where I start to notice it. Floors are carpeted, lots of furniture, room is not acoustically treated. Could be it at really high volumes, -10 and up, that's it's just too loud for my room. I sit about 13ft from the L,C,R and the surrounds are right behind me, couch is against the wall and no way to move it out any. It still sounds really good, just doesn't seem as clear at near reference volume as it does at lower volumes. Hard to explain fully.
"couch is against the wall"

The problem is likely those Klipsch horns slapping up against that bear wall behind you and causing all sorts of noise. Personally I would buy (or make) some really thick (6"+) bass traps and put them behind the sofa at ear height so it covers up that wall. To test if it'd help, have someone hold up a super thick blanket (or 3) behind the sofa and try blasting it again, and see if there's an improvement.

13 feet away still leaves quite a bit of room, moving the sofa 1-3 feet out from that wall would likely help significantly even if it's only for testing purposes.
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Just replaced my Klipsch RP-260F with RF 7II and I can't believe the difference! Watching La La Land, it felt like bands were playing music and actors singing were doing so in the room! And Alien: Covenant sounded shockingly realistic as well.

After reading a lot of reviews praising the 7II I was really curious what Klipsch "reference" sounds like, but I still wasn't positive I'd be able to hear a big difference between them considering I have a smallish room and the RP line is newer.

But man, to my SO and I the difference really was surprising, I find it odd that the RP page on Klipsch's website almost presents them like the RP's new technology gives improved sound over the Reference line. The RC-64II & RS-62II to replace my RP-250C & RP-240S are arriving soon and I'm eager to hear the changes!
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Just replaced my Klipsch RP-260F with RF 7II and I can't believe the difference! Watching La La Land, it felt like bands were playing music and actors singing were doing so in the room! And Alien: Covenant sounded shockingly realistic as well.

After reading a lot of reviews praising the 7II I was really curious what Klipsch "reference" sounds like, but I still wasn't positive I'd be able to hear a big difference between them considering I have a smallish room and the RP line is newer.

But man, to my SO and I the difference really was surprising, I find it odd that the RP page on Klipsch's website almost presents them like the RP's new technology gives improved sound over the Reference line. The RC-64II & RS-62II to replace my RP-250C & RP-240S are arriving soon and I'm eager to hear the changes!
Are you going to run that setup with just the Onkyo AVR? I thought they would require more power.

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Are you going to run that setup with just the Onkyo AVR? I thought they would require more power.
I've ran my RF-7 IIs on a low end receiver in the past and never noticed a difference versus my X7200WA, even at 0db. They are super efficient.
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Today is a sad day, my Klipsch R-115SW died, I think it's an amp problem because I tried different cables, reset my receiver and played with the crossover settings again. I also tried to check other pre outs from my Marantz, but there is no sound coming out of the sub anymore. The green light indicator is on though.

Also, when I disconnected the sub for a couple of hours it plays for approximately 30 seconds after plugging it In the wall outlet and then I hear a puffing sound, and then the sound of the sub fades away.

Luckily it's still under warranty, so it will be sent to my dealer this week.

Are there other members here who has this issue? It was a brand new bought unit from may 2016.

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Hey guys, I have the option to create a home theatre with a triple LaScala LCR, Chorus II rears, and heresies for surround. How big should my room be at least to justify this kind of setup? I have everything except the LaScala fronts, but I can buy them for 1700. My tv wall is 4,2 meters wide, big enough to put 3 LaScalas next to each other? The room itself is 5 meter x 6 meter and the couch will be sitting around 1,5-2 meters from the tv.

You can convert them to 2-way speakers, go active (biamp them) and then essentially, won't have to worry about how far you're sitting because the sound will come together much faster (therefore closer to the speaker)

Not saying it's inexpensive....but it IS "easy" since all the engineering has been done. It is as simple as plug & play (if you have the right parts to plug)

Picture attached isn't my personal speaker however, I have some LaScalas and the horn needed to convert them to this.
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