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No, as I mentioned I am not using separates. The new receiver that I purchased powers 11 channels. it powers fronts, center, surrounds and subs at 140watt while using an A/B type of amp. the height speakers and back channel is powered still by the receiver but uses another amp that of the D type at 60 watts.

One volume control for all 11 channels.

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what I am wondering about is my back speakers are rated at 100 Watts. All my speakers are rated 100-125 watts by the way aside from the 50 watts that will go up for atmos. I won't have any problem driving all of them with the receiver that is for sure. what I am wondering about the most is if I start cranking the volume on the amp am I asking too much of the D type amp of the receiver to power my back channel at a level that will keep up with the fronts which is powers by an A/B amp? There will be some clipping happening for sure at high DB, yes?
No I am confused. Is the A/B amp and the D amp plugged into the 1120 to power the fronts and the back channels? If you have anything plugged into the receiver to power the speakers that is a separate. Are you referring to switching in and out of 2 channel for music to going 5.1 or 7.1? The Anthem like other AVR's will only put out 140 per channel to the front main speakers when in stereo. When you switch to going 5.X to 7.X the power is lowered by a certain percentage and you will not get the full 140 watts out of the front. The other channels are lowered as well I believe. The Klipsch speakers you have should be able to handle what ever the AVR can put out. If it can't you can always get a bigger Anthem 7 channel and 4 channel amp to push more sound, but remember, if you are at 50 watts max, you will have to go to 100 watts to notice any kind of difference.

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No, as I mentioned I am not using separates. The new receiver that I purchased powers 11 channels. it powers fronts, center, surrounds and subs at 140watt while using an A/B type of amp. the height speakers and back channel is powered still by the receiver but uses another amp that of the D type at 60 watts.

One volume control for all 11 channels.

To clarify:

what I am wondering about is my back speakers are rated at 100 Watts. All my speakers are rated 100-125 watts by the way aside from the 50 watts that will go up for atmos. I won't have any problem driving all of them with the receiver that is for sure. what I am wondering about the most is if I start cranking the volume on the amp am I asking too much of the D type amp of the receiver to power my back channel at a level that will keep up with the fronts which is powers by an A/B amp? There will be some clipping happening for sure at high DB, yes?
Underpowering your speakers can be problematic, which is what I think you're concerned with. There is a risk.. it's a very small risk.. but there is a risk that you'll send a clipped signal to your speakers and have a serious problem. It's not clear to me at what volume you'd have to be at for that to occur, though.

I'd search some threads for underpower risks.

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No I am confused. Is the A/B amp and the D amp plugged into the 1120 to power the fronts and the back channels? If you have anything plugged into the receiver to power the speakers that is a separate. Are you referring to switching in and out of 2 channel for music to going 5.1 or 7.1? The Anthem like other AVR's will only put out 140 per channel to the front main speakers when in stereo. When you switch to going 5.X to 7.X the power is lowered by a certain percentage and you will not get the full 140 watts out of the front. The other channels are lowered as well I believe. The Klipsch speakers you have should be able to handle what ever the AVR can put out. If it can't you can always get a bigger Anthem 7 channel and 4 channel amp to push more sound, but remember, if you are at 50 watts max, you will have to go to 100 watts to notice any kind of difference.
The 1120 uses both A/B and D amplification. It's described on their website.

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The 1120 uses both A/B and D amplification. It's described on their website.

I was just on their website and didn't see anything about a A/B Amp and a D amp. I did see that at 8 Ohms channels 1-5 will be 140 watts and the Remaining 2 6 watts if that's what you mean?

Wouldn't he have to turn it up pretty far for it to clip? That would be to load for me, but I am old and to much hearing loss so I don't crank it anymore.

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Underpowering your speakers can be problematic, which is what I think you're concerned with. ...
I'd search some threads for underpower risks.
YES!!!! that is exactly what I am worried about. There is an awful lot on the reverse overpowering speakers with too big an amp but very little about under powering speakers. I will try to use your search criteria. maybe I will get better luck at finding info on the subject. thanks a bunch mate.

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Here is what I found:

Good chance I asked because by the sound of it "Under powering speakers" can potentially damage speakers even more than over powering them.

check out this post and response from MikeH on AvForum
https://www.avforums.com/threads/how...peakers.47762/

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Here is what I found:

Good chance I asked because by the sound of it "Under powering speakers" can potentially damage speakers even more than over powering them.

check out this post and response from MikeH on AvForum
https://www.avforums.com/threads/how...peakers.47762/
Gotcha (after seeing your receiver). Didn't even know they made such a thing, pretty cool receiver.

Correct, underpowering can cause more damage than overpowering. Which is why it's generally a good idea to overpower than underpower (you can always turn it down). That atmos channels shouldn't draw as much power as the 5 ground speakers, but since you're running them at reference...I'm not sure on the answer to that.

Klipsch speakers are pretty efficient, which makes them easier to drive, so if they were my speakers I would listen for clipping and not worry about it, but up to you on what you feel comfortable with.
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I was just on their website and didn't see anything about a A/B Amp and a D amp. I did see that at 8 Ohms channels 1-5 will be 140 watts and the Remaining 2 6 watts if that's what you mean?
I guess I saw it in the reviews and not explicitly stated on their website... my fault!

Anthem uses traditional Class AB amplification for the five main channels and Class D topology for the back surround and height channels where ultimate full-bandwidth sound quality plays a less important role, which presumably keeps the chassis a bit cooler when the unit is running full bore. https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...pxr18yA4STJ.99

The other channels (the surround backs and four overhead channels, as they would likely be configured in most systems) are Class D, 60 watts each into eight ohms and 75 watts into six ohms. This is Anthem doing the reporting, by the way, which tends to be quite conservative, so take that for what you will. https://hometheaterreview.com/anthem...iver-reviewed/

The Anthem MRX 1120 sits at the top of the Anthem receiver lineup. As the model number implies, it supports 11 channels of amplification inside of the chassis. To accomplish this it uses 140 watt Class A/B amplifiers for the five main channels and smaller 60 watt Class D amplifiers for the rears and Atmos/DTS:X channels. https://referencehometheater.com/rev...ceiver-review/

It's not obvious to me why Anthem doesn't describe that on their website, though.


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Wouldn't he have to turn it up pretty far for it to clip? That would be to load for me, but I am old and to much hearing loss so I don't crank it anymore.
That's my understanding, and it was his concern, too. Seems like you have to be pretty extreme in both volume and low wattage for this to really manifest itself... but I'm no expert.
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YES!!!! that is exactly what I am worried about. There is an awful lot on the reverse overpowering speakers with too big an amp but very little about under powering speakers. I will try to use your search criteria. maybe I will get better luck at finding info on the subject. thanks a bunch mate.
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No I am confused. Is the A/B amp and the D amp plugged into the 1120 to power the fronts and the back channels? If you have anything plugged into the receiver to power the speakers that is a separate. Are you referring to switching in and out of 2 channel for music to going 5.1 or 7.1? The Anthem like other AVR's will only put out 140 per channel to the front main speakers when in stereo. When you switch to going 5.X to 7.X the power is lowered by a certain percentage and you will not get the full 140 watts out of the front. The other channels are lowered as well I believe. The Klipsch speakers you have should be able to handle what ever the AVR can put out. If it can't you can always get a bigger Anthem 7 channel and 4 channel amp to push more sound, but remember, if you are at 50 watts max, you will have to go to 100 watts to notice any kind of difference.
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Gotcha (after seeing your receiver). Didn't even know they made such a thing, pretty cool receiver.

Correct, underpowering can cause more damage than overpowering. Which is why it's generally a good idea to overpower than underpower (you can always turn it down). That atmos channels shouldn't draw as much power as the 5 ground speakers, but since you're running them at reference...I'm not sure on the answer to that.

Klipsch speakers are pretty efficient, which makes them easier to drive, so if they were my speakers I would listen for clipping and not worry about it, but up to you on what you feel comfortable with.
Well I;m not worried about me, it;s the other people in the house that might drive the sound too loud and blow the amp lol. Personally myself I would hear it instantly. Now that I am thinking about it here is another question:

My background is with live music. I am a musician. What I learned in time was in order to get the sound that I want to get I have to drive my guitar amp to what I call the sweat-spot. it's a combination where the amp is driving a set of 4x12 speakers cabinet. Anything lower I don't get the drive, bottom end, presence, brilliance and all that. Are klipsch speakers the same? Do they need a certain amount of power to really shine? I don't have enough experience with the speakers yet to really tell.

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Find the Dolby Leaf demo in Atmos and play it. The flutter sound should just circle around you and not jump from speaker to speaker.

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Sounds like a good plan, but I don't know how to carry it out.

I don't know where to look or how to play the Dolby leaf demo, but would like to.
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Maybe this question is irrelevant or has been answered before - if so please forgive my noobness - Is there a set "break-in time" for my new RP-280's ? I just ordered them to finally complete my setup (see sig) and should be here soon so I am anxious to get everything setup. TIA!

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Maybe this question is irrelevant or has been answered before - if so please forgive my noobness - Is there a set "break-in time" for my new RP-280's ? I just ordered them to finally complete my setup (see sig) and should be here soon so I am anxious to get everything setup. TIA!
Just play some music and enjoy it....THAT is your break in.
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I know this is generally home theather, but trying to lock down some Klipsch outdoor speakers. Admittedly I haven't had a chance to listen to any of these, so any feedback would be helpful. Debating between the CP-6($350) and the AW-500 ($350).
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Anyone here tried the RP280F with the RP250 center? I'd prefer the RP450 center, but theres no way it will fit in the TV stand. I was also thinking about just going with R28F and R-25C since the center will fit. I could use some of the money saved towards a nice 15" sub. This setup will be for a living room that's used mostly for watching cable, sports, and netflix.
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Anyone here tried the RP280F with the RP250 center? I'd prefer the RP450 center, but theres no way it will fit in the TV stand. I was also thinking about just going with R28F and R-25C since the center will fit. I could use some of the money saved towards a nice 15" sub. This setup will be for a living room that's used mostly for watching cable, sports, and netflix.
I have a couple of RP-260F with a RP-250C at the moment and I am replacing the RP250C with a RP450C as soon as I can swing the cash for it. Personally I find the Center Channel to be the main speaker of the whole system and would spend my money on a RP450C prior to anything else in my setup. Don't get me wrong, the RP250 sounds great but the 2.5 crossover of the RP450C definitely makes a huge difference as well as the size of the box too. I would say the R-25 compares to a Toyota Corolla, The RP250C -> a Mustang, RP450C-> A Shelby Cobra.
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Well I;m not worried about me, it;s the other people in the house that might drive the sound too loud and blow the amp lol. Personally myself I would hear it instantly. Now that I am thinking about it here is another question:

My background is with live music. I am a musician. What I learned in time was in order to get the sound that I want to get I have to drive my guitar amp to what I call the sweat-spot. it's a combination where the amp is driving a set of 4x12 speakers cabinet. Anything lower I don't get the drive, bottom end, presence, brilliance and all that. Are klipsch speakers the same? Do they need a certain amount of power to really shine? I don't have enough experience with the speakers yet to really tell.
Your speakers don't need that much power. Some Klipsch speakers present a difficult impedance load to the amplifier at certain freqs. That is where the more robust amp power is needed.
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YES!!!! that is exactly what I am worried about. There is an awful lot on the reverse overpowering speakers with too big an amp but very little about under powering speakers. I will try to use your search criteria. maybe I will get better luck at finding info on the subject. thanks a bunch mate.
Fwiw, I have followed a few threads on the subject and it seems consensus is that underpowering your speakers isn't what harms them:

Clipped Amplifier Signals: What's correct and incorrect about this Video?

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Fwiw, I have followed a few threads on the subject and it seems consensus is that underpowering your speakers isn't what harms them:

Clipped Amplifier Signals: What's correct and incorrect about this Video?
Great Video Dude....
I clicked the next one on the list

Although this is concentrating on speaker damage, under-powering (from what I was able to learn recently) will affect the amp a lot more than speakers. I talked to an Anthem tech who said that powering a 100Watts speaker with the 60 watts D type amplifier for my backs and ceiling speaker won't be an issue as long as I don't change the crossover frequency determined by Arc. I am obviously worried about blowing my speakers but more worried about over heating the amp in the long run. I also discovered the Max output volume setting on my amp lol. Don't laugh, I knew it was there all along, simply totally forget to set it lol.

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Klipsch 160m or 450c for center?

Hi, I'm thinking about ordering some Klipsch speakers for home theater use (a 5.1.4 setup). The 160m's will be my mains. If I can mount the center speaker behind an AT screen, should I get another 160m, or should I get a 450c?

Also, any recommendations for surrounds? Should I just use 150m or 160m's? Any recommendations for in-ceiling atmos speakers?
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Anyone here using the new ATI class-D amps with their Klipsch speakers? I've read/heard that these amps don't like low impedance dips/swings too much but then this was stated to be false. Not too sure now. They also said that the 200 watt models are better at handling low ohms than the 500 watt models (which are basically bridged 200 watts modules).

Basically, I am pondering on using the 500 watts model for the RF-7 II and RC-64 III and the 200 watt model for the rest of the speakers (side surround, back surround, and the four ceiling speakers). Any comments/opinions? Are these amps a good match for Klipsch?
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Anyone here using the new ATI class-D amps with their Klipsch speakers? I've read/heard that these amps don't like low impedance dips/swings too much but then this was stated to be false. Not too sure now. They also said that the 200 watt models are better at handling low ohms than the 500 watt models (which are basically bridged 200 watts modules).

Basically, I am pondering on using the 500 watts model for the RF-7 II and RC-64 III and the 200 watt model for the rest of the speakers (side surround, back surround, and the four ceiling speakers). Any comments/opinions? Are these amps a good match for Klipsch?
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I use the new ATI500nc series amp with my Klipsch. No problem at all.
Thanks.

Which Klipsch speakers do you have? Are you using the the AT52xNC (200 watt/channel) or the AT54xNC (500 watt/channel)? I'm assuming everything sounds great with the amps?
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Which Klipsch speakers do you have? Are you using the the AT52xNC (200 watt/channel) or the AT54xNC (500 watt/channel)? I'm assuming everything sounds great with the amps?
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