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I see some posts talking about pairing Klipsch with external amp. I have RP-280F front, RC-62ii center and then some RF-35 and 4f-25 surrounds and the new RP-140sa on top of the 280s for Atmos. I tend to buy the flagship Denon reciever, currently x7200wa. Since the tend to replace it every 3 years or so when the next flagship arrives I have been considering going for and AMP and then spend less doing the newer step or 2 down AVR as the new features roll out. It looks like a x4400 does everything I need since it passes DV, has independent dual subs and AL32. I run my fronts full range to help fill in the lows. I know in theory the x7200wa can feed the Klipschs very happily, but since I run my volume to near reference volume I like the idea of an amp that can respond to every channel independently without issue.

I am looking at the Monolith 7 and the Outlaw 7140 then either x4400h or x6400h. Thoughts?
Kluken hi ,i once 4 years ago had a denon 3313 that i kept 2 months and right away knew i needed external amplification as i can hear distortion whenever i go louder than -15 db which is loud but not crazy so i did get me an emo xpa 5 and then switched to my onkyo 818 and yes there was a night and day difference . my point is get the middle of the road denon and add amp .
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Has anyone tried using a tube preamp to get that tube sound for your home theater? If so, how would I need to set it up if I use my tv as source (via a usb stick), without compromising sound quality? All input appreciated!

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Also, is using a monoblock amp/amp with huge amounts of power worth it? I have a marantz sr7011 with 125 watt for 8 ohm 2 channels driven, but I'm looking at the Monolith 2 or the Emotiva XPA-2 (or one of the higher channel count models) and I want to be sure that is worth the upgrade. Anyone running klipsch heritage with one of those amps?

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Has anyone here heard the new Forte III? Impressions?
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yo juice ,run your calibration i you haven't yet and then report back dude
The problem I run into is the mic won't reach the sitting point because it's 17' feet back it'll only reach the table. It's only coming up as 13' which is to the table and it's still more left in them and I can't really hear the 160's all of this is after moving my sitting 4' up. The stuff sounds pretty good sitting at my computer but didn't know if doing stuff manually like playing with the crossover and what not would could really bring it out.
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The problem I run into is the mic won't reach the sitting point because it's 17' feet back it'll only reach the table. It's only coming up as 13' which is to the table and it's still more left in them and I can't really hear the 160's all of this is after moving my sitting 4' up. The stuff sounds pretty good sitting at my computer but didn't know if doing stuff manually like playing with the crossover and what not would could really bring it out.
ahaa gotcha ,so what you do sit on sofa with an spl in hand and do a test tone until you get 85 db ,adjust your speakers manually .i personaly like audessey but9 ties out 10 end up changing settings by adjusting crossover to 60 htz and uping db on center 3 db hot
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Has anyone here heard the new Forte III? Impressions?
Went from Heresy III to the Fortes. Fortes sound excellent. Impressed with the sound. Sound great for both 2-channel and home theater. Mid-range sounds good. Plenty of bass. I set my left - right speakers on my AVR to large. I get bass from both the Fortes and my sub. Sounds awesome on action movies. I use Parasound amps for 2-channel.

I don't see me upgrading any more. Very happy with the sound coming from the Fortes.

Bought mine from Metropolis Lake Outfitters. Very knowledgeable guy. Call to get the best price on if interested.
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I see some posts talking about pairing Klipsch with external amp. I have RP-280F front, RC-62ii center and then some RF-35 and 4f-25 surrounds and the new RP-140sa on top of the 280s for Atmos. I tend to buy the flagship Denon reciever, currently x7200wa. Since the tend to replace it every 3 years or so when the next flagship arrives I have been considering going for and AMP and then spend less doing the newer step or 2 down AVR as the new features roll out. It looks like a x4400 does everything I need since it passes DV, has independent dual subs and AL32. I run my fronts full range to help fill in the lows. I know in theory the x7200wa can feed the Klipschs very happily, but since I run my volume to near reference volume I like the idea of an amp that can respond to every channel independently without issue.

I am looking at the Monolith 7 and the Outlaw 7140 then either x4400h or x6400h. Thoughts?
Fwiw, if I had the X7200 I wouldn't think about the x4400 until something happened to it....Otoh, I am not familiar with your subs but don't understand why you wouldn't set a crossover for your mains?
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Fwiw, if I had the X7200 I wouldn't think about the x4400 until something happened to it....Otoh, I am not familiar with your subs but don't understand why you wouldn't set a crossover for your mains?
While the x7200wa is an awesome AVR, it is not going to pass HLG or DV so I am leaning toward moving to an amp so I don’t have to buy $3K AVR every 2-3 years. I can buy a $1500 AVR every few years and let the amp live long and proper.

I have dual PSA V1800s and they do all the heavy lifting, but it still run the Klipsh full range to help fill in some of the gaps in the room acoustics.

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Has anyone here heard the new Forte III? Impressions?
https://www.cnet.com/news/big-for-a-...-iii-speakers/
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...I have dual PSA V1800s and they do all the heavy lifting, but it still run the Klipsh full range to help fill in some of the gaps in the room acoustics.
Of course you are the one with experience of your system, but I wonder if you set a crossover you may not need to purchase the external amp. I don't know the price difference between the Denon flagship and lower end model you are looking at but it does make me curious of that price difference.

Btw, unless both of your subs aren't ideally placed I'd think they would be able to hit those lower knower notes more efficiently than your speakers. Then again, I don't know your setup but that is how it's recommended to do it especially if you have 2 subs and you asked for opinions. My 2 cents and good luck.
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Of course you are the one with experience of your system, but I wonder if you set a crossover you may not need to purchase the external amp. I don't know the price difference between the Denon flagship and lower end model you are looking at but it does make me curious of that price difference.

Btw, unless both of your subs aren't ideally placed I'd think they would be able to hit those lower knower notes more efficiently than your speakers. Then again, I don't know your setup but that is how it's recommended to do it especially if you have 2 subs and you asked for opinions. My 2 cents and good luck.
The flagship Denon tends to run $3K and the next step down is $2100 and then the step below that is like $1699 so a long term investment in a an AMP allows for less costly AVR upgrades. Two upgrade cycles and the AMP has paid for itself.
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The flagship Denon tends to run $3K and the next step down is $2100 and then the step below that is like $1699 so a long term investment in a an AMP allows for less costly AVR upgrades. Two upgrade cycles and the AMP has paid for itself.
The real way to save money in the long run is to buy the amp, and then get the cheapest model on clearance that does what you want. At the moment, for most people, that is the x4300. I'm not sure if it does everything you want, but the promised updates for it just came through. (dolby vision)
https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx4300h
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX...N-Command.html
If you need the x4400, and are serious about the money saving part, I'd wait a year or so for it to go on clearance.
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Forte III doesn't sound as smooth as a Bowers & Wilkins 705 S2, doesn't image as clearly as an Elac Uni-Fi UF5....
They can be fatiguing to listen to
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The Forte III is a great two-channel home theater speaker, or if you crave multichannel home theater, spring for a Klipsch center channel, surround speakers and a Klipsch subwoofer.
I doubt anyone will match an RC64ii to a Forte.
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Hello everybody.
I recently got the RP-140SA Atmos speakers, which are standing on top of my R-26F. I own a Denon X4300 AVR and run a 7.1.2 system. The other speakers are from other brands and probably not so important here. I did run Audyssey and use it.
Room is not so large, it's around 5,6 x 4,5 meters and 2,1m high. The roof is flat and made of dense material (so more or less ideal). One side of the room is halfway open. The TV is on the wide side in the middle, so my seating distance to the TV is just around 3 meters.


Anyway, I'm currently a bit underwhelmed of the Atmos effect
Based on my calculations, the upfiring speakers should quite well bounce to my hearing position. Do you have any suggestions about what I could try?
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That's sad.


I doubt anyone will match an RC64ii to a Forte.
A Klipsch KLF C7 will match a Forte or any other Heritage for HT use.

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Hello everybody.
I recently got the RP-140SA Atmos speakers, which are standing on top of my R-26F. I own a Denon X4300 AVR and run a 7.1.2 system. The other speakers are from other brands and probably not so important here. I did run Audyssey and use it.
Room is not so large, it's around 5,6 x 4,5 meters and 2,1m high. The roof is flat and made of dense material (so more or less ideal). One side of the room is halfway open. The TV is on the wide side in the middle, so my seating distance to the TV is just around 3 meters.


Anyway, I'm currently a bit underwhelmed of the Atmos effect
Based on my calculations, the upfiring speakers should quite well bounce to my hearing position. Do you have any suggestions about what I could try?
Thanks


Generally you have to increase the crossover of the atmos speakers, I set mine at 100. The speakers are meant to be directional, and directionality start to drop off at around 100, from my understanding. Increasing the trim will also provide the speakers with more headroom to play the proper frequencies louder, with generally les distortion.

Also, users report having to up the trims by a 1-6 db.
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Generally you have to increase the crossover of the atmos speakers, I set mine at 100. The speakers are meant to be directional, and directionality start to drop off at around 100, from my understanding. Increasing the trim will also provide the speakers with more headroom to play the proper frequencies louder, with generally les distortion.

Also, users report having to up the trims by a 1-6 db.
Thanks, will try this. As far as I remember, the crossover is already set to 100 or even 120, but I will increase the dB somewhat. Will report back once I found time.
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I added a Sony 5 disc changer to my soon to be 14 year old son's stereo yesterday. He is getting a turntable and a stack of records for his birthday Saturday.

He is using RB-5s, same speakers I am using in my office system. He was impressed w/the amount of bass produced when listening to the Gorillaz' "Clint Eastwood" and other songs as well.

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I doubt anyone will match an RC64ii to a Forte.
Oh but I did... I think it's sounds awesome to my ears ....

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