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post #6091 of 37904 Old 02-10-2009, 09:15 AM
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Whats is the Cinema 8 speaker package that use the RS4 speakers and RC4 center?

Also, I saw that klipsch uses a C-2 with their B-3 system. Is a C-3 to big of a center? I can't find anyone that sells the C-3, at least not on amazon.

I thought I had things figured out now I'm confused again.

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It seems after looking online that Best Buy carries the Icon series, did the icon series replace the synergy series? The icon speakers look like they are in between the B-2 B-3 performance wise.
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Whats is the Cinema 8 speaker package that use the RS4 speakers and RC4 center?

Also, I saw that klipsch uses a C-2 with their B-3 system. Is a C-3 to big of a center? I can't find anyone that sells the C-3, at least not on amazon.

I thought I had things figured out now I'm confused again.

Klipsch might be discontiuning the C-3. You can still get the C-2 for sure. They will work with the B-3's. It's just smaller. As long as you keep it in the same model line it's ok.
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I am planning to pair my KEF eggs (3005SE) for front and center with Klipsch RS-42 for surrounds. Will this work?
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I'm sure the RS-42's would be "sufficient", but is this solely an availability issue, or does price come into play here? If you're willing to pay the difference between the 42's and 52's, there are plenty of reputable online dealers you can order them from. Also keep an eye out on sites like Audiogon where you can often pick up a slightly used or demo pair for a really good deal.

Perhaps price plays a bit of a factor, but I'm just really wondering IF there is a evident difference between RS-42 and the RS-52, since I'm unable to make the comparison myself does anyone have a take in terms of .... IF the RS-52 is worth the extra upgrade based on their experience or what they've heard rather than specifications.
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Perhaps price plays a bit of a factor, but I'm just really wondering IF there is a evident difference between RS-42 and the RS-52, since I'm unable to make the comparison myself does anyone have a take in terms of .... IF the RS-52 is worth extra the upgrade based on their experience or what they've heard rather than specifications.

I'm also curious about the above, one of the Klipsch dealers I spoke with recommended the RS-42s to pair with RF-82s in spite of Klipsch's recommendation of RS-52s. He simply claimed that the difference was minor and that it was a good place to save some coin.
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What's better for surround? An RF series or an RS series. wwstereo has good deals on both right now.
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Within the Klipsch Icon line (WF34/35), they don't make a center channel with a 5 1/4" driver to match the 5 1/4" driver in the WF35, correct?
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Would you guys get the cinema 6 package or B-3 L/R C-3 centers with quintet III for surround sound? I can get a pretty good price on the cinema 6 setup.

Thanks.
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Would you guys get the cinema 6 package or B-3 L/R C-3 centers with quintet III for surround sound? I can get a pretty good price on the cinema 6 setup.

Thanks.

I think we answered your question already.
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You mind if I ask why you're only looking at the RB-81's for your surrounds? Not that they would be insufficient, but have you considered the RS-62's?


Because i already have them on hand.

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Because i already have them on hand.

Bump for some more responces.

Excellent reason.

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Sorry for the question. I posted at work and didn't get a chance to look at the spec's on the cinema 6. After looking now that the B-3 has twice the power of the cinema 6's I understand. The guy at the store said they didn't carry the "low end" line, only the high end stuff. That's why I don't listen to people at stores.

Thanks again for everyone's help!
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I've been upgrading my HT lately. I recently added Denon 1909 AVR, Panas. BD55 player, Paradigm Servo 15" sub (plus two KLH 10" subs I already had), so lows are more than covered.

Next will be new front L/R and center speakers which I am looking for ideas on. I finally retired my Klipsch Cornwall II's as they've always overpowered the center (and due to WAF). I like Klipsch but WAS leaning towards Paradigm F/L, Center, until it was mentioned that their low (90dB) sensitivity level would be an issue with my new Denon 1909 90 w/ch AVR. My in wall mounted surrounds have 8" drivers (M&S Systems WG150W) , so I was thinking (with no real knowledge ;o) my fronts should have 8" drivers, but someone said there's better midrange with 6.5" - 7" L/R drivers, since my Servo-15 sub requires no low base from L/R (or center). I'd love to hear more opinions on the 8" vs. 7" L/R drivers.

Searching older speaker threads, short discussions I've read, seemed to say that at a given price point, quality bookshelf speakers achieve better audio (when sub(s) are used) than floor standing speakers, so I am only looking at bookshelf units.

I WAS just about ready to pull the trigger on a pair of Studio 20 v.4's for front L /R and a CC-590 center.

My dilemma is that I need to decide ASAP to commit to ordering the Paradigm v.4's. If I do not order these in the next day or two, they may no longer be available as all V.4 Studio series are being blown out to make room for the just arriving V.5's with the curved cabinets and $100 added to list price!

OR

Do I change gears and look seriously at the Klipsch RB-81/ RC-62 set up due to their much higher efficiency?

Most speakers I see list only one dB level. Paradigm lists two, room and anechoic. Paradigm Studio 20 v.4 shows 90 room / 87 anechoic. I assume the first # (room 90dB) is the one to compare to Klipsch (and other) quoted specs? If so:

Klipsch Cornwall II..101 dB (now gone from living room due to WAF)

" RC-62 ................ 98dB (set up I am now considering)
" RB-81 ................ 97dB


" RC-52 ................ 96dB
" RB-61 ................ 95dB

Paradigm CC-290 v.4...... 94dB
" Titan Monitor....... 93dB
" Mini Monitor........ 92dB

" Studio 40 v.4....... 92dB
" CC-590 v.4.......... 90dB (set up I was looking at)
" Studio 20 v.4....... 90dB


With my 90w/ch AVR, do I drop sound quality by going with Klipsch RB81/RC62 vs. Paradigm Studio 20 v.4/CC-590?
Now I realize I will have a lot cleaner power to get a given volume level with the Klipsch's vs. the Paradigm.

How do you all feel about the sound quality comparison? Are the 8" woofer in a 2 way a crossover challenge, or somehow not as good as a 7" woofer in a two way? My WG150W in wall surrounds happen to have an 8" woofer with a 1" Alum dome tweeter. Could that possibly contribute to a better timber match with RB-81 front L&R? I realize front to rear matching is no where as important as fronts matching each other and rears matching each other (I have 7.1 set up).

AND LASTLY to a loooong post...
Someone mentioned on the Paradigm thread to just add an RC-62 to the Cornwalls and be set. If you all think that would work pretty well, I will go back into negotiations with my wife about bringing the Cornwalls back!
Would the RC-64 be a better match than the RC-62? If so I could squeeze it in.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated, especially since I have my local Paradigm shop on hold from trying to order the Studio set up.
Thanks, Dave
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I'm not familiar with the Cornwalls sound, but I have 4 40 year old 3 way JBL Studio Reference L100's that sounded great for theater until movies added the center channel. I figured the center is mainly dialogue so I opted for the RC-64. The sound with the old L100's is outstanding and rich. You can still find the RC-64 in cherry online from 600-700 bucks.
However, now that I bought the center speaker I'm considering updating to the RF-83's front and Rs-64 surrounds. I don't need them but it's that newness factor.
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I'm a strong believer that the center channel needs to be carefully matched to the LR, so I always recommend contacting the mfr (in this case Klipsch for the Cornwalls) to ask them which will work better... they just might tell you some obsolete model that you have to pick up used, or they might be able to give you a modern equivalent that's close enough... or they might tell you nothing is going to be acceptable... I've always had pleasant experiences with Klipsch support on the phone...

I run 8" woofers in my RF3 fronts, no major complaints, I do hear things (noone else does) that I'd like to do away with, but I've never bothered to investigate them enough to determine if it's the speakers, rcvr, source, or acoustics, so they're obviuosly minor... they're things I don't remember hearing in previous residences, so I tend to think it's acoustics and not the speakers (I now have the lowest ceilings I've ever had at 7.5 ft) but the fact that I haven't bothered to track it down shows how minor they are...

I think the size of the woofers is less a problem than the frequencies they are being used to radiate (especially in high sensitivity speakers like Klipsch, esp the cornwalls at 100+...) If you're going to use a std 80Hz crossover it shouldn't be too much of a problem... that being said a 3 way with similar design considerations will alleviate that more than a 2 way, but those aren't the options here...

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Fellow Klipsch owners: would you risk buying a floor model of the Klipsch Synergy SUB-10 subwoofer from an "all-sales-are-final, going-out-of-business" store for $139?

Most on-line prices are in the $300-$400 range. The exterior has a few scuffs on it, but it doesn't look like it's been abused. There is a sticker on the outside that seems to indicate that it became their floor model on 1/9/2009.

I'm looking to add the sub to the following 7.1 set-up: Onkyo TX-SR606 receiver, Klipsch Synergy Quintet III (center channel and 4 surrounds), and Polk Audio Monitor 60s (right and left mains).
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I'm not familiar with the Cornwalls sound, but I have 4 40 year old 3 way JBL Studio Reference L100's that sounded great for theater until movies added the center channel. I figured the center is mainly dialogue so I opted for the RC-64. The sound with the old L100's is outstanding and rich. You can still find the RC-64 in cherry online from 600-700 bucks.
However, now that I bought the center speaker I'm considering updating to the RF-83's front and Rs-64 surrounds. I don't need them but it's that newness factor.

Since my wife would be very sad if I asked if the Corwalls could come back into the living room (36"h x 25"w x 16"d w, 15" woofer), I am on your same track of going modern. Well, OK, coming out of my Hard Rock 80's era.
Up untill about ten years ago, I always told myself I did not 'need' a sub with those 15" woofers! I did not understand the concept!
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Fellow Klipsch owners: would you risk buying a floor model of the Klipsch Synergy SUB-10 subwoofer from an "all-sales-are-final, going-out-of-business" store for $139?

Most on-line prices are in the $300-$400 range. The exterior has a few scuffs on it, but it doesn't look like it's been abused. There is a sticker on the outside that seems to indicate that it became their floor model on 1/9/2009.

I'm looking to add the sub to the following 7.1 set-up: Onkyo TX-SR606 receiver, Klipsch Synergy Quintet III (center channel and 4 surrounds), and Polk Audio Monitor 60s (right and left mains).

consider that it was probably the demo, and was used 7 days a week, every week. i would inspect it closely and look underneath for woofer scuffs. but that is not a bad price on a floor model.

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The Reference series have been around longer than 2006. ... The Reference has it's own nitch between the Synergy and Icon, and the much more expensive Heritage and Palladiums, and as well as it continues to be sold, I don't see it going away any time soon, unless it is replaced by a similar line, which the Icon is not...

I have no opinion one way or the other if Klipsch keeps the Reference line but my guess is they won't because the Klipsch conglomerate has several speakers at this price point.


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They were tweaked (updated) in 2006.

Imo, the lower end Reference were repackaged from a great/proven design from prior models, but they couldn't get their Flagship speakers which used/uses a larger compression driver/Horn and LF drivers, into a smaller package at similar price point-- hence the birth of the Palladium and switch to their other offerings (mentioned above) for the masses.

Fwiw, I think it's all about getting the best quality of sound given a limited footprint and the latter dynamic is what is driving this market and the reason for my prediction above.
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Do any owners happen to know the dimensions of the shipping box for either the RF-62 or RF-82? I'm trying to figure out if they'll fit in my car. And can they be manhandled by one person, or are they too awkward?
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Hi all...

Im looking into getting some RS-62...

How big it the differece of the RS-52 and the RS-62 in sound quality..

My room is 4X4,5 meters, and will be powering them whit a Onkyo 905 + a yamaha 250 på channel poweramp.. ehiter option, onkyo to rears or the yammaha havendt desidet yet..


And are ther anyone out ther will to part thir RS speakers , they have to be from the new series, starting in 2006...... im interested in some, i will shipp thise .....
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Do any owners happen to know the dimensions of the shipping box for either the RF-62 or RF-82? I'm trying to figure out if they'll fit in my car. And can they be manhandled by one person, or are they too awkward?

I managed to fit two rf82s, in their respective boxes, in the back seat of a corolla . And yes you will probably need the help of a friend...
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I just picked up a pair of rf-82's from BB.

Clearance floor models for $300 total.

Good deal?

I've been reading some reviews now that some people don't like the rf-82's as much.

I currently have a set of rf-3's that I plan on putting in the rear, and buying an rc-62 at some point in the future, finally a full set of HT speakers!
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I just picked up a pair of rf-82's from BB.

Clearance floor models for $300 total.

Good deal?

I've been reading some reviews now that some people don't like the rf-82's as much.

I currently have a set of rf-3's that I plan on putting in the rear, and buying an rc-62 at some point in the future, finally a full set of HT speakers!

I have a pair of RF-82's and love them. I wish I could have gotten them at the price you paid.

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I just picked up a pair of rf-82's from BB.

Clearance floor models for $300 total.

Good deal?

I've been reading some reviews now that some people don't like the rf-82's as much.

I currently have a set of rf-3's that I plan on putting in the rear, and buying an rc-62 at some point in the future, finally a full set of HT speakers!

That sounds like a great deal and I haven't seen very many people who posted that they didn't like the RF-82s.

That being said, I run RF-3s as Side Surrounds along with RB-75 bookshelf speakers in the Rear (which could be considered mini towers given they were built to keep up with my RF-7s up front) and you definitely want at least an upper end AVR to drive an all tower system at higher SPL levels, imo.
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Just some things I've read are overly harsh (many people feel that way about klipsch though) and boomy rather than punchy bass. The dual sound ports may cause the sound to be more boomy over a sealed design.

All I know is that I love my rf-3s so I'm sure I'll love these rf-82s.

Are there any downsides with running floorstandings in the rear, aside from extra space being taken up?
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Are there any downsides with running floorstandings in the rear, aside from extra space being taken up?

The only downside I'm aware of is speaker height. It's recommended to place your surrounds 2'-3' above seated ear level. Obviously with floorstanders this would be very difficult if not completely impossible for most people.

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I've been reading some reviews now that some people don't like the rf-82's as much.

Professional reviews? I haven't been able to find any for the RF-82s; I did find one very favorable review of the RF-83s and I don't believe the 82s are markedly different.
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i wonder why i can make post after post in this tread and no one replys...!!???

Since my first post severl days agow, until now... i baffeld.

Henrik

Can t i get some replys/comments.....
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