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post #18181 of 39008 Old 02-12-2012, 05:35 PM
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So phantom center mode puts processors into this condition? I didn't realize that.

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Wouldn't the receiver compensate for this when you select no for center speaker?
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I know y'all r talking about something else but the upgrade bug has bitten me again for the thrid time since November LOL! I think I want to go to 7.1 I currently have RB 61 II as fronts and RC 52 II center and KS 20 for rears and a sw112 sub. I can't do floorstanders. So I could get RB 81 II for fronts and move the RB 61 to the rear and s20 to the sides or run 4 RB 61 and s20 as sides. Which will give me the best sound I have the marantz sr5006 as an amp

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You will have no problems driving with or without a center channel. The impedances for klipsch speakers are well over 4 ohms for most of the audio range. Any horn will have dips, but this is usually in a very small bandwidth centered around a certain frequency. Power draw from a high sensitivity speaker is next to nothing. I figured that it would take (I believe) 37 watts total to reach reference levels with my speakers. Not per channel, total for 5 speakers. I could drop that even more with a la scala center, but for power conservation I think I'm ok. My sub is a horn also. Also very efficient, but it does have 2000 watts available to it just in case. Tony has 2!


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It's all opinion, but I've always felt that the shrine to equipment in the front center was a bit amateur. To get that stuff out of view would be more classy............

I completely agree. Used to like having my gear right there in front, with full view. Now, I love having my custom racks with false sub doors hiding everything:

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It is!

No, just much more common. Very few were made with grills. Mine don't have them.

The CornScala would be better. Plus the Cornwall has the same frontal area than the La Scala anyway.

When you disable the center speaker on your receiver, the levels on all channels are not dropped; they stay the same. If a peak pre-amp level is 1 volt, then adding the contents of the center channel to the left and right would have the potential to exceed 1 Volt and clip the preamp output. Therefore they implement dynamic range compression and peaks are reduced to make sure that combining channels does not result in pre-amp clipping. I think that the correct way to handle it would be to drop the level off all channels when one is disabled, to allow for the combined higher peaks; don't know why they didn't do that instead.

it's matrixed .. across both left & right channels .. a glorified all channel stereo

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So phantom center mode puts processors into this condition? I didn't realize that.

Yes.

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Wouldn't the receiver compensate for this when you select no for center speaker?

That's how it compensates.

This is certainly the way it worked on legacy Dolby Digital. When we had this discussion years back, I ran an action movie loudly and recorded the SPL during dialog and during peaks, disable the center and did it again. The dialog was the same and I lost 7 dB in peaks.

It's possible that the new Blu Ray codecs don't work this way, but I doubt it. Play a scene and disable the center, see if the overall level goes down by 3 dB. If not, how are they leaving room for combined signal if not compression?

It's much worse if you don't use a sub. the sub level is 10 dB hotter than other channels! The potential for clipping is enormous!

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Interesting. Makes sense. I will have to not be so quick to recommend the option. Thanks.

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just bought the rs41II's to go with my reference3's. They come in tomorrow and will be installed this weekend (doing an inwall wire fish)

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Can anyone recommend me some rears to match my RF5 fronts and RC35 center?

Right now I have some cheap HTIB onyko speakers, but would like something to match the Klipsch fronts.
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Would it be a noticeable/worth while upgrade to go from the rf42ii to the rf62ii?
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Would it be a noticeable/worth while upgrade to go from the rf42ii to the rf62ii?

maybe to the 82s


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So I know everyone suggested a third LaScala for my setup and while I think the sound would be stunning, I don't think I could pull it off for multiple reasons.

A Cornscala was suggested but I thought the purpose of that was mix the bass of a Cornwall with the efficiency of a LaScala. Is that bass something I would want for my center? Bob suggested maybe the 1.5 in a horizontal form. How good of quality are his speakers compared to other heritage speakers? I know you all said I would see the limitations of a hersey, but would the 1.5 have the same? Can he finish the speakers? I don't have the means to do so. How efficient are his speakers compared to other Klipsch models? Anyone in Central Florida have a 1.5 or Cornscala I could test drive?

Thanks again everyone, still loving the LaScala. Haven't watched tv all week cause I just sit here and listen to music all night!

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So I know everyone suggested a third LaScala for my setup and while I think the sound would be stunning, I don't think I could pull it off for multiple reasons.

A Cornscala was suggested but I thought the purpose of that was mix the bass of a Cornwall with the efficiency of a LaScala. Is that bass something I would want for my center? Bob suggested maybe the 1.5 in a horizontal form. How good of quality are his speakers compared to other heritage speakers? I know you all said I would see the limitations of a hersey, but would the 1.5 have the same? Can he finish the speakers? I don't have the means to do so. How efficient are his speakers compared to other Klipsch models? Anyone in Central Florida have a 1.5 or Cornscala I could test drive?

Thanks again everyone, still loving the LaScala. Haven't watched tv all week cause I just sit here and listen to music all night!

matthew

i use a CS-1.5 as my center L/R mains CornScala,L/R surrounds CornScala ,L/R Heights/wides CS-1.5

the CS-1.5 works VERY WELL as a center, It can more than keep up with my CornScala's

All my CS-1.5's are Horizontals all 5 of the them

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I have a question between klipsch subs. I currently have 2 SW-350 subs which are 8". I'm thinking about buying 2 of the Sub10.

Would I get better bass by doing this?
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More than likely yes would get better BASS but I would look at other subs. Cheaper and better subs are available.


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More than likely yes would get better BASS but I would look at other subs. Cheaper and better subs are available.

I found them on sale for $199. That's the only reason I'm considering cause I figured I may be able to make most of my money back if I sell my 2 SW-350 subs.
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I have a question between klipsch subs. I currently have 2 SW-350 subs which are 8". I'm thinking about buying 2 of the Sub10.

Would I get better base by doing this?

I have 2 of the Synergy Sub 12" 300/650 watt BASH amp that I use with my Cornwalls(front speakers with 15") in my 5.2 HT system. But I have a very small den and got them both used(cheep $200 each). Some of the Sub 10 and 12 had some power supply/amp problems after a few years of use, not a expensive fix...(see the Klipsch Factory forum) I have been lucky none of my Sub 12 have any problems after 4 years...yet. If you have larger size room look at SVS, HSU etc. Yes the 10 will will be a step up from the 8". Save your money and look for a 12" or 15" sub and be done with it. In the last 20 years every sub I have owned fried something sooner or later if you use them like I do now...retired none of them last forever. I was suprised how nice the used Klipsch Sub 12" sound in my den on movies.(Amazon has them new for $299.00 shipped they were $499.00 6 years ago.) When I move to a larger HT room next year a SVS PB13 Ultra is what I am saving up for. There are others as good or better...... $$$$ good hunting and enjoy.

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Would 1 12" or 15" sound as good as 2 10" subs?
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Would 1 12" or 15" sound as good as 2 10" subs?

Depends on the what the power is on the One larger sub vs the 2 Klipsch 10's you are looking at. And the size of your room is everything when picking subs.
I have never tried this with the 10's you want. One SVS (friends) smokes my 2 12's in my little room but not cost vs sound in my room and what I can afford right row.
My little room and 2 decent entry level subs blend in nice.....room will shake on Blurays....... place all this in a huge room and you won't feel the bass.
Smaller rooms save you money on subs... but I have Huge Cornwalls for fronts less then 10 feet apart and sofa 7 feet back and rears are 7 feet back.

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Would 1 12" or 15" sound as good as 2 10" subs?

Depends on a lot of factors. All things being equal 1 12" would not be as good as 2 10's, but the 15 would be close to the same. But getting far into it some things that make one better than another would be the specs on the driver (almost never shown by the sub maker) such as the excursion, sensitivity, power handling, etc. The type of enclosure, how well its built, and even the size of enclosure has effects on the output and sound quality. You can have a high sensitivity high(er) excursion 10 with a lot of power that can out run a 12 that is a low cost driver with less power. Measured thiele small parameters are the easiest way to tell what a sub can do, but you generally won't find those published unless you can find the maker of the driver and what type it is. So really there is no simple answer.


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I want to add 2 more speakers to my setup! I currently have. Rb 61, rc 52, ks20, sw112, I think of adding 2 more rb 61 is this a good Idea or should I add rb 81 I can only do bookshelves

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Fronts RB 81 II BLK
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I want to add 2 more speakers to my setup! I currently have. Rb 61, rc 52, ks20, sw112, I think of adding 2 more rb 61 is this a good Idea or should I add rb 81 I can only do bookshelves

step up to the 81's & use them as Left/Right mains,

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That's what I was thinking

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Fronts RB 81 II BLK
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Rears RB 61 II CHERRY (going to be replaced with a black set)
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Question I have a rc-62 and rf-82ii my receiver is a older denon 2807 says is runs 100 watts x7 and I know it's not pushing 100 watts. If I was to buy say a emotiva xpa-3 it drives 200 watts rms. Is it worth me getting it? Am I really going to be able to tell a big enough difference? Is it going to open them up and have then sound alot better?
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Question I have a rc-62 and rf-82ii my receiver is a older denon 2807 says is runs 100 watts x7 and I know it's not pushing 100 watts. If I was to buy say a emotiva xpa-3 it drives 200 watts rms. Is it worth me getting it? Am I really going to be able to tell a big enough difference? Is it going to open them up and have then sound alot better?

I have the exact same speaker setup and to be honest the answer is probably no. I had an older Yamaha and upgraded to the Onkyo 809 just for the same reason. Mentally yes they sounded much better but I think it may have been just that. These speakers require so little power that I think all they really need is a good sturdy 9 volt battery and they'd be good to go. It is a good excuse to buy something shiny and new though.
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I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I recently bought a pair of kb-15. Icon series for mains. My old htib center now sounds horrible next to them. I was wondering if you can mix and match the synergy series with icons. I think I could get a good deal on a synergy center. Thanks in advance. Also if anything else im open for suggestions. I have about 150 to spend on the center.

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I have the exact same speaker setup and to be honest the answer is probably no. I had an older Yamaha and upgraded to the Onkyo 809 just for the same reason. Mentally yes they sounded much better but I think it may have been just that. These speakers require so little power that I think all they really need is a good sturdy 9 volt battery and they'd be good to go. It is a good excuse to buy something shiny and new though.

So I have the same speaker set up as well, running a Yamaha rxv671. I understand th├Ęse speakers are very efficient, so power is supposedly not an issue, however some receivers are better for certain things than others. That being said, wouldn't running a marantz, for example, sound better than my yammy? More clarity, smoother, warmer?
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I have the marantz with rb 61 and rc 52 and they sound amazing alot better than the onkyo 607 I had

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Rears RB 61 II CHERRY (going to be replaced with a black set)
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I have the marantz with rb 61 and rc 52 and they sound amazing alot better than the onkyo 607 I had

By "a lot better", what do you mean exactly? Just curious. Want to see if its worth upgrading
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