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They're okay... but get that massive center off the floor!

I need to mount a new monitor on the wall and build a shelf for the center, so it's in the works

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I'm thinking of mixing up a Klipsch speaker setup.

What do you think of this 7.1 setup...

Front Left & Right - RF-7 II
Powering the RF-7 II's would be an Emotiva XPA-3 (200W x 3)

The rest will be powered by the receiver (~125W)
Center - RC-62 II
Surround Left & Right - RS-62 II
Surround Back Left & Right - RB-81 II

Subwoofer - Klipsch or SVS

I wouldn't mind the RF-82 II's but I want the better quality sound of the RF-7 II's. I DON'T want the 3 foot wide RC-64 II Center, it probably sounds great but that's too big of a speaker for my room. I know most of a movies dialogue comes from the center channel but I'm building a custom Entertainment Center and adding on another 12" just isn't possible.

Will the RF-7's way overpower the rest of the system?
Or will lightening my receivers load by 2 channels help give the rest of the system a little more power?

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that is gonna sound AWESOME ! BUT it my be over powering..but you should finest the balance..

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I can't speak to timbre or other balance issues, but if you have an XPA-3, I would drive the left, right AND center using those three channels of high powered clarity. Leave all the surrounds to the receiver. Any reason not to use the Emotiva for the center?

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I can't speak to timbre or other balance issues, but if you have an XPA-3, I would drive the left, right AND center using those three channels of high powered clarity. Leave all the surrounds to the receiver. Any reason not to use the Emotiva for the center?

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I agree. You will have three channels, so I would feed all three. I also would try to fit the RC-64 if possible.

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That's what I do with my Emotiva XPA-3. I drive my 3 RF7IIs (FL,C,FR) with that and let the A100 handle surrounds.

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I'm thinking of mixing up a Klipsch speaker setup.

What do you think of this 7.1 setup...

Front Left & Right - RF-7 II
Powering the RF-7 II's would be an Emotiva XPA-3 (200W x 3)

The rest will be powered by the receiver (~125W)
Center - RC-62 II
Surround Left & Right - RS-62 II
Surround Back Left & Right - RB-81 II

Subwoofer - Klipsch or SVS

I wouldn't mind the RF-82 II's but I want the better quality sound of the RF-7 II's. I DON'T want the 3 foot wide RC-64 II Center, it probably sounds great but that's too big of a speaker for my room. I know most of a movies dialogue comes from the center channel but I'm building a custom Entertainment Center and adding on another 12" just isn't possible.

Will the RF-7's way overpower the rest of the system?
Or will lightening my receivers load by 2 channels help give the rest of the system a little more power?

Thanks

I have the RC-62 center and huge Cornwalls for fronts(small 10X14 den), if you have normal size room the RC-62 will work fine with the RF-7II. If you have a Pre/Pro or AVR that has a room correction feature it will match all these speakers just fine. I was suprised that my blending of Heritage and Reference Series worked out very nice. In the last few years I have added some signal gain to the center for voices on some Blurays(getting older) SVS subs are great but expensive.

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I concur... heritage and reference series work well together.

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I have RF-83s and a RC-62 up front and the RC-62 pulls its share of the load just fine.
I really like the RC-64 but I just could not give up that much space.
I think the RC-62 will work just fine with the RF7s

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I can't speak to timbre or other balance issues, but if you have an XPA-3, I would drive the left, right AND center using those three channels of high powered clarity. Leave all the surrounds to the receiver. Any reason not to use the Emotiva for the center?

Cheers!

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Well I wanted to use the RC-62 II (150W) so I wasn't sure if the 200W Emotiva would be too much power for it.


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I agree. You will have three channels, so I would feed all three. I also would try to fit the RC-64 if possible.

I can try but its going to be a lot of extra work. I'm an Design/Engineering Draftsman at a custom cabinet company and I'm building a killer AV Center with all the house tools and tricks. As it sits now, its 74" wide. 3 cabinets total with glass doors, hidden wheels, intake/exhaust fans and internal cable management.
BUT...that RC-64 sure would sound great!! haha


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I have RF-83s and a RC-62 up front and the RC-62 pulls its share of the load just fine.
I really like the RC-64 but I just could not give up that much space.
I think the RC-62 will work just fine with the RF7s

That's a very close set up, I like the smaller size of the RC-62 but of course knowing myself I will always look back and want the best (within reason).
I guess I'll just have to get the RC-64 and just make it work in the cabinet, SO the newest revision will make my AV Center over 7' wide!
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Well I wanted to use the RC-62 II (150W) so I wasn't sure if the 200W Emotiva would be too much power for it.




I can try but its going to be a lot of extra work. I'm an Design/Engineering Draftsman at a custom cabinet company and I'm building a killer AV Center with all the house tools and tricks. As it sits now, its 74" wide. 3 cabinets total with glass doors, hidden wheels, intake/exhaust fans and internal cable management.
BUT...that RC-64 sure would sound great!! haha




That's a very close set up, I like the smaller size of the RC-62 but of course knowing myself I will always look back and want the best (within reason).
I guess I'll just have to get the RC-64 and just make it work in the cabinet, SO the newest revision will make my AV Center over 7' wide!

Look on Ebay for all the different fans you can purchase and install in the back of the shelves to keep the amps etc cooler.... I never stack on my AVR and fans on all my vintage R2R and amps. Even on the back of my 55" LCD/LED I have two small fans that are for "Office Cubicles" small 4" on a stand aimed at the bottom vents. Klipsch use to make a center for the KLF fronts it's a C7 and a little bigger then a RC-62 with larger horn.......I looked for one of them used and finally purchased a RC-62 when 62II came out and saved some money.

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Well I wanted to use the RC-62 II (150W) so I wasn't sure if the 200W Emotiva would be too much power for it.

Travis,

That Klipsch speaker would love to have the clean 200 watts capacity that the Emotiva will deliver. It's not power that damages speakers, it's distortion. And the more and cleaner power you can deliver to the speaker, the better it will sound. So I wouldn't worry for a nanosecond about driving the RC-62 with the Emotiva.

Having said that, I agree with Mike. If there is any way to fit the RC-64 into your system, do it. The center channel is really important! We don't want you to have regrets later when you think "I could have had an RC-64"! I remember years ago when I bought my first HT audio system, I auditioned several of the Klipsch speakers. My wallet was telling me to moderate, but when I heard the clear difference between the KLF-C7 (then Reference series) and it's next closest model, it was night and day. In fact, that sold me on the entire Klipsch Reference system and I've been a big fan ever since.

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I agree. You will have three channels, so I would feed all three. I also would try to fit the RC-64 if possible.

IF you can afford the RC64 then it's gonna sound best but a RC62 will worl as well but do have the Left/Center/Right on the Emo
You will love the dynamics in movies with the headroom the amp will provide

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Hey Guys.....

Needs some expert advice here before I pull the trigger.

Vann's gave me some pretty decent pricing today (not the best I've seen them do but its still pretty good)...so I'm looking to get the:
RF7II
RC64II

Optional right now depending on if i have to buy a new receiver or not.
RS62II and/or RB81II

I currently have:
Receiver - Denon AVR-1910

Can I get a Emotiva XPA-3 to use with my existing receiver?
Or do i need to upgrade my receiver?
if so to which is (onkyo/denon pref) best bang for buck?

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Unless my research was inaccurate, that receiver doesn't have preamp ins and outs, so you can't use an outboard amp with it. And unfortunately, it will not take full advantage of the 7's with its onboard amps. You'll be pleased, and likely not have trouble, but the 7's will be neutered by the amps.

Also, can you consider a third 7 in place of the RC64? if so, that would be preferred.

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Wish I could do a third RF7...but won't be possible with the room!

So basically I will need to replace my receiver and get the amp?

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Wish I could do a third RF7...but won't be possible with the room!

So basically I will need to replace my receiver and get the amp?

Thanks
Urlryn

Yeah .. remember that the AVR just needs the Pre-Out's , You could get away with a used AVR that has pre-outs & get a new model later to cut down on the $ outlay ATM, but the speakers & the Amp are the prime items. there alot of very good AVR's on the used market that are great deals .
the Speakers & the Amp will last you a life time ....... most of us when we get a top tier speakers we keep them for ever . That Emo amp is built to last & amps don't get out dated like a AVR does . There are people who have had amps for 20 years and they still work great ..


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Yes. With the amp, you would also need either a receiver that does have preamps, or a bonifide preamp.

Don't misunderstand, the 7's will be impressive with your receiver. Just not running at 100%, and there is potential for you to damage them if you run them on the edge. Maybe don't do anything now and see how you feel after you listen awhile?

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Emotiva is having a Sale right now as well !

10% off that XPA-3 & Free Shipping


http://shop.emotiva.com/

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Yeah I might just give them a try....its not like I'm gonna be blasting them. Its 90% movies and maybe some 5% TV and 5% Gaming (Wii/PS3).

Also with the Vanns card gives you 2 years interest free financing...so thought I might take advantage of it...unfortunately they don't sell Emotiva's! hehe

Thats why i was asking about the Receiver.....i could add that...just needed to know what was good. Looking at the Denon 2312IC or Onkyo NR809?

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I saw a pair of KLF20's for sale in my local Craig's List...are these any good? I have a older receiver I am planning on using for music.

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I saw a pair of KLF20's for sale in my local Craig's List...are these any good? I have a older receiver I am planning on using for music.

KLF-20's are Great ! easy to get parts for as well

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KLF-20's are Great ! easy to get parts for as well

Hey fast, how are they compared to newer Klipsch's and what are they comparable to?
BTW...what size woofers do they have? I saw a small pic and noticed two horns as well???

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they got a tweeter horn ,a squawker horn, & 2 10" woofers

& they are Kick A$$ speakers I'd say they are as good or better than the RF7II's
100dB@1watt/1meter so they be sensitive as heck
200 watts 800 watts peak they move a whole lotta air

next to your old reference system you sold they will blow them outta the water Big Time
they had some lamination problems on the cab walls with them but it's easy to fix

http://www.klipsch.com/klf-20

the woofs go low into the 30's .
bob crites sells a titanium diaphragms for the mid drivers so even if the mids are harsh then they can be tamed .
how much are they going for ??

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Yeah I might just give them a try....its not like I'm gonna be blasting them. Its 90% movies and maybe some 5% TV and 5% Gaming (Wii/PS3).

Also with the Vanns card gives you 2 years interest free financing...so thought I might take advantage of it...unfortunately they don't sell Emotiva's! hehe

Thats why i was asking about the Receiver.....i could add that...just needed to know what was good. Looking at the Denon 2312IC or Onkyo NR809?

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Fast, the guy is asking 750 for the pair...is that a okay price...they seem to be in excellent shape!

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Fast, the guy is asking 750 for the pair...is that a okay price...they seem to be in excellent shape!

that's very decent those are very rare .. they didn't sell many at all ... that's why you don't see them very often .. if U get them replace the diaphragms as the new diaphragms Bob has will really sweeten the sound ,they are better than stock .
Tell the guy the drivers need work & he might come down some

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I bought a pair in 1998. If it's any help for your negotiation, they retailed for $1500 a pair and I paid $1000. On that basis, $750 sounds high now, but if they are rare now, perhaps it's not so bad.

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RF7 II are 8 ohm with 101db sensitivity. Shouldn't take much power at all to get them to sing.

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RF7 II are 8 ohm with 101db sensitivity. Shouldn't take much power at all to get them to sing.

It's the impedence curve that makes them a bit demanding on an amp (apparently not so much in the 7ii version). Particularly, a receiver that has a power supply trying to deliver to 7 different amps simultaneously.

I've been down this path myself and blew a driver for it.

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