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The Cinema 12's have,

Eminence Kappa Pro 12A
Selenium D220Ti
Eminence H290S 90x40

For $75 more you have the option to upgrade to the B&C DE250.



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Nezff here on this thread has some of their stuff shoot him a email .
Actually it's all in which drivers that are being used to tell the truth , & I don't know if Ed tells which drivers they use ..
I suspect the Crites Drivers are of higher quality as he really does not mark up the drivers he sells .I did price comparisons(as he does list p/n#'s) & he is in the same ball park as most retail sellers of drivers . I was going to shop them my self but when I added shipping &taxes they were a wash between his & retail.
that is Russian Birch Bob uses ,all that is needed is a oil finish and /Or stain & poly coated . that you can do your selfeasy
Oil finish is the easiest ,wipe on & then polish
Danish oil for a blonde color OR they has oil finishes that have dark colors ..

mine are stained RedOak plywood 1&1/2" thick on the CornScalas & 3/4" redOak on the CS-1.5's

Minwax "red chestnut" stain =>teak oil => beeswax polish
Best part about doing yer own finish is the color choices


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Sorry but just like the 2 people after me posted, this is how you do it, the plywood hits the studs so your speaker does not have to. No wall is hollow for more than 24", most should not be over 16".

Your way, opening up the wall, is absolutley ridiculous, just saying.

Depends on whether you can live with a speaker mounted on a wide piece of painted plywood versus directly on the wall. Nothing ridiculous about doing it right!
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If the speaker is over hollow drywall, then surely a piece of plywood smaller than the speaker will also be over hollow drywall?

I'd be tempted to open up the wall between two joists, screw in some support 2x4 horizontally between then, cover up with drywall, plaster, prime, paint.

Not trying to be difficult here, but look at your response to my pretty clear direction.

Pretty obvious you do not have much experience in this regard. I would never start cutting up drywall when there is absolutely no reason to especially if this person is a DIY'er.
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If none of these work for you just build another house around the speaker. :-)
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I would like to know how the ED's compare to the DIY's as well.

I got to listen to the ED Cinema 12's at a friends (Carp's) last weekend and I was very impressed. We listened to lots of music and movie clips and watched Hot Fuzz. I was utterly shocked at the low price when he told me what it was. I should post a few impressions in that thread.

He had a custom center channel that ED built for him based on the Cinema 12's too.

Someone that attended the WI GTG was there and we listened to some of the same tracks as they had at the GTG and he had very positive things to say about the speakers.

Lately I have been ogling over the Jubilees! Would LOVE to hear those.
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Looking for front height recommendations to match Klipsch RF-3 ii LRC and RS-52ii surrounds. Why are all the Klipsch reference bookshelf speakers rear firing and then have keyhole mounts. Seems like an oxymoron to me.

I guess before I get there how does everyone feel about adding front height in lieu of surround back. I think I can get away with it by having the dual horn/driver surround rs-52 and it is a small room with not enough space for true surround back. Anything I put up for SB would be very, very close in distance to the rs-52s.
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I've experimented with heights in my room. Being 32' deep, I couldn't afford to give up rear surrounds. I really didn't feel the heights added anything to my experience, but there are lots of variables involved. First, room size and seating configuration, but also what mains you're using. The more capable your mains, the less I feel heights will do for you. In other words, Khorn, LaScala, Jubs, put out such a wall of sound already. From my experience I might even argue that putting the money of another pair of speakers and amplification directly into an upgrade on mains is more beneficial. My two cents.
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I use the dialogue lift setting on my AVR & the heights really make a difference. But I do not have Klipsch. I have Paradigm. I think the Klipsch is better for dialogue.
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I've experimented with heights in my room. Being 32' deep, I couldn't afford to give up rear surrounds. I really didn't feel the heights added anything to my experience, but there are lots of variables involved. First, room size and seating configuration, but also what mains you're using. The more capable your mains, the less I feel heights will do for you. In other words, Khorn, LaScala, Jubs, put out such a wall of sound already. From my experience I might even argue that putting the money of another pair of speakers and amplification directly into an upgrade on mains is more beneficial. My two cents.

I have not tried height speakers in my room either. My mains were mounted on stands, at screen height. In a room with an 8' ceiling, that put the top of my mains at 57-1/2". That only leaves 38-1/2" of space between the mains and the ceiling. Did not make sense to me to place height speakers that would be that close to my mains.

Now for those with higher ceilings and or people that have there front speakers on the floor it might make more sense for them to add heights.
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I have not tried height speakers in my room either. My mains were mounted on stands, at screen height. In a room with an 8' ceiling, that put the top of my mains at 57-1/2". That only leaves 38-1/2" of space between the mains and the ceiling. Did not make sense to me to place height speakers that would be that close to my mains.

Now for those with higher ceilings and or people that have there front speakers on the floor it might make more sense for them to add heights.


I have a vaulted ceiling that opens up to approximately 16 feet and my mains are floor standers on the ground. I might experiment with some bookshelfs, ksb 1.1, that I have laying around and see what it adds.
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I have a vaulted ceiling that opens up to approximately 16 feet and my mains are floor standers on the ground. I might experiment with some bookshelfs, ksb 1.1, that I have laying around and see what it adds.

Where in Kentucky are you located?
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Where in Kentucky are you located?

La Grange right outside of Louisville.
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La Grange right outside of Louisville.

My wife's family lives in Oldham county. We visit there often. Will be up that way the weekend of May 12th.
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My wife's family lives in Oldham county. We visit there often. Will be up that way the weekend of May 12th.

That is where I live as well, Oldham County. You are going to be here a week late. The Derby is this Saturday.

Enjoy your stay and I recommend dinner at THIS new restaurant.
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I'll be curious to hear your impressions. With a vaulted ceiling, it just might have an impact!
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Heights need to be similar to the mains, wides as well, as they are really a division of the main L/R channels anyway . AT least in the high & mid range the woofers can be smaller but voicing has to about the same of the Mains or you get over powering of the Heights/Wides by the Mains.
that's one reason the CS-1.5 & CS-1's work well as wides & heights they have the high/mid range punch that's needed to keep up with LaScala's , K-Horns ,Cornwalls
the RB-81II's will not be able to do that ......
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That is where I live as well, Oldham County. You are going to be here a week late. The Derby is this Saturday.

Enjoy your stay and I recommend dinner at THIS new restaurant.

We usually come up for a derby party at my in-laws every year, but this year my son has his club sponsored soccer tournament on the same weekend. When in Louisville, I like this place: http://www.patssteakhouselouisville.com/

Guys sorry for the off topic, but we no longer use the PM system.
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I have a vaulted ceiling that opens up to approximately 16 feet and my mains are floor standers on the ground. I might experiment with some bookshelfs, ksb 1.1, that I have laying around and see what it adds.

You have a set up where heights should work for you.
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We usually come up for a derby party at my in-laws every year, but this year my son has his club sponsored soccer tournament on the same weekend. When in Louisville, I like this place: http://www.patssteakhouselouisville.com/

Guys sorry for the off topic, but we no longer use the PM system.

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You have a set up where heights should work for you.

I'm a big fan of Pats. My GF went to high school and college with several of the owners daughters. It is usually where I go for my birthday dinner.

One of these times you are in town we'll have to meet up for a beer or something.

As for the heights...I'm gonna give it a go with the old ksb just to see what it is all about before I make an investment into some dedicated speakers. Problem will still be getting something to timbre match the RF3s...or maybe it's time to finally upgrade those.
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Just picked up a set of rb 41 ii to mount on each side of my tv in my bedroom !
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This is a follow up to my earlier question on a mount for my Klipsch RC-52 II Center Speaker. Sorry to have created a stir about hollow walls.

I live in an apartment so home modification is limited. I was at Home Depot and they sell shelving and brackets that will work perfectly. The shelf is just big enough to hold the speaker and is rated at 30 lbs. All I really need to do is clean up the holes from my old speaker and mount the new shelf securely using the proper drywall anchors rated for the weight.

I'm still looking for suggestions for my RS-42 II surround speakers if anyone has one. I bought my system from Sound Distributors and Eric was helpful in answering my questions about the actual speakers and suggested I wait until I receive them to judge a good stand solution. I was thinking somebody here may have already found some good stands. I will be placing them to the left and right of my sofa. Both will be near a wall so I don't have to worry about knocking them over.

I'm hoping to find something that doesn't require drilling into the speaker body.

Thanks
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Not trying to be difficult here, but look at your response to my pretty clear direction.

Pretty obvious you do not have much experience in this regard.

Not trying to be difficult but quick to judge my capability a sentence later!

This is how I installed a surround:

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I got a pair of RF?-6s. Is there any way to get them to operate full range without engaging the onboard powered "subwoofer"?
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I'm a big fan of Pats. My GF went to high school and college with several of the owners daughters. It is usually where I go for my birthday dinner.

One of these times you are in town we'll have to meet up for a beer or something.

As for the heights...I'm gonna give it a go with the old ksb just to see what it is all about before I make an investment into some dedicated speakers. Problem will still be getting something to timbre match the RF3s...or maybe it's time to finally upgrade those.

Shoot me an email with your info.
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If any of you guys have a pair, or come across a pair of La Scalla's or Cornwall's, please let me know. I am considering trying an all heritage setup that would consist of a combination of La Scalla's and Herseys, or maybe Cornwalls and Herseys, or mane even a combo of La Scalla's, Herseys, & Coenwall's! I am pretty sure that this setup will blow the doors off a Klipsch reference or Ed setup. If I do end up doing this, I most certainly will be buying older used speakers. I will probably have Bob Crites do some updating as well, being that he is like 3 or so hours from me.

I have so many speakers right now, lol. I have a trio of Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1's, a pair of Salk Songtower QWT's, and a complete 7.1 Definitive Technology setup that I use for home theater. So far, I have yet to find a setup for under $10k that I like better than my Def Techs (which consist of BP-30's, C/L/R-2000, BP1.2x's) but I am thinking that a Klipsch heritage setup would probably come pretty close if not surpass my Def Tech's.

I will keep you guys updated!
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ebay all the time... or craigslist.
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Hey, quick question about the KW-120 Ultra 2 sub locations. First, lemme just say that the KL-650s are incredible sounding. Neutral, dynamic, smooth, detailed, and most of all sound fantastic at near reference volume. Just what I was looking for.

However, I'm having some trouble with the subs. My room is ~16' deep, ~25' wide, and 10' high. The speakers are arranged along the long wall due to a piano that I cannot move myself. Will have to do for now. The room is open to a kitchen/dining room at the right rear, off to the side.

Anyhow, the subs blends better than I have ever heard a sub blend, but the deeper bass seems lacking. They strong down to 35 Hz, but <= 30Hz seems weak. I have an Onkyo TR709 and ran Audyssey at the 3 main listening positions, a couch up against the back wall (yeah i know now great).

I first tried positioning the subs each on the inside of the front L and R speakers, but didn't didn't get the deep bass. Then I moved one of the subs to the corner and it improved, but not as much as I would have wanted. Do I need to place the other sub, say stacked in the corner or something. Maybe Audyssey is not doing a good job taming down the bass in the 35-50 Hz range? Audyssey also set the sub level to -10.5 dB and tried to cross my mains over at 40 Hz. I increased this to 80 Hz after the fact.

Is there any way to *see* the FR curve that the Onkyo measured? Maybe I need to invest in a BFD and do the bass mode taming myself? It seems like these should be strong down to 20 Hz.

I should also say that I have a competitors sealed 18"er that I corner loaded and corrected with an Anthem MRX300 previously. That sub seemed to dig deeper, at least after correction, but did not have the slam that the THX subs have.

thanx for your help.
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. I am considering trying an all heritage setup that would consist of a combination of La Scalla's and Herseys, or maybe Cornwalls and Herseys, or mane even a combo of La Scalla's, Herseys, & Coenwall's! I am pretty sure that this setup will blow the doors off a Klipsch reference or Ed setup.

I am thinking that a Klipsch heritage setup would probably come pretty close if not surpass my Def Tech's.

First, great!
Second, it's "La Scala"
Third, you think that a La Scala based system will blow the doors off a Klipsch reference or Ed setup, but would probably come pretty close to your Def Tech? I guess you have a very high opinion of your system already, and am wondering why you want to swap it out then. Without knowing what Def Techs you have, I think you will be quite surprised at what a 104 dB sensitivity speaker can do to your HT: Dynamics to spare! You'll love it!
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Not sure this is the right forum or if DIY is the place, since this is 50% - 50% of each.

Anyway, here goes (fell free to move to DIY if that is where it should be)

I purchased a pair of 1987 La Scalas with AL cross overs in February and have rehabed them over about a 6 week period.

The main reason for posting is to show that even with zero previous wood working experience it is possible to restore these speakers to like new condition.

My objective was to restore these and convert them to be similar to La Scala II.

They were in a bit of a rough condition, with various edge and corner damage on the plywood panels. Also, the interior was painted black.

Steps were as follows:
1 - cut the top off
2 - repair all damage and fill in holes
3 - glue a 1/4" MDF layer to all sides of the bass bin to stiffen structure to reduce resonance.
4 - Insert Volti wedges to further stiffen bass bin.
5 - Build a new top section, to be removable as in La Scala II. I made thie top taller than La Scala II to give me flexibility in horn/driver selection. The motor-board is removable so that I can change horns without having to rebuild the top.
6 - Veneered all surfaces with mahogany, stained with mahogany red dye and several coats of polyurethane finish, with sanding between each coat.
7 - Replaced the AL crossovers with Crites Type A/4500 (using for mid & tweeter)
8 - Replaced the tweeter with Crites tweeter and a Tractrix horn
9 - Made grills for the top and bass bin.

I also am using active cross over to correct the alignment between sub, bass bin and mid/tweeter sections.

You can see how it turned out. I am very happy with my modified LaScalas.
Incredible dynamics and clarity in the mids.

The restoration was not 100% replica of LaScala II (due to the taller top), so Klipsch purist may not like it, but it is what I wanted.

Hopefully, others with no wood working skills may be inspired to buy a set of these great speakers for restoration and then enjoyment.
All you need to do is to read up a bit, get the right tools, and them patiently go about the restoration.

Measure everything twice, cut with care/precision, and follow directions carefully in dye preparation/application and veneering. Be sure to not get in a hurry in the final steps and follow instructions in sanding between urethane layers and you can end up with beautiful results.
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First, great!
Second, it's "La Scala"
Third, you think that a La Scala based system will blow the doors off a Klipsch reference or Ed setup, but would probably come pretty close to your Def Tech? I guess you have a very high opinion of your system already, and am wondering why you want to swap it out then. Without knowing what Def Techs you have, I think you will be quite surprised at what a 104 dB sensitivity speaker can do to your HT: Dynamics to spare! You'll love it!

I have searched and can't find speakers with doors. I have seen some cars that the sheety subs were blowing the doors.
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