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coytee's Avatar coytee 06:11 PM 05-02-2012
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Not trying to be difficult but quick to judge my capability a sentence later!

This is how I installed a surround:

So, if I'm reading you correctly, you installed a piece of plywood on the wall to mount the speaker....then proceeded to smash the speaker through the plywood and jammed it into the hole you were trying to avoid in the first place. Nice.




bosoxfan's Avatar bosoxfan 07:01 PM 05-02-2012
Advice: current setup is,

Onkyo 805
RF 82ii
RC 35 ( for now....)

Im am having a hard time comparing the RS 52ii vs 62ii, price verses performance and which may be better with the RF 82's. Thoughts?
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 07:30 PM 05-02-2012
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First, great!
Second, it's "La Scala"
Third, you think that a La Scala based system will blow the doors off a Klipsch reference or Ed setup, but would probably come pretty close to your Def Tech? I guess you have a very high opinion of your system already, and am wondering why you want to swap it out then. Without knowing what Def Techs you have, I think you will be quite surprised at what a 104 dB sensitivity speaker can do to your HT: Dynamics to spare! You'll love it!



Sorry, what I should have said is that it might come close to my personal liking of my Def Techs. The main reason that I like my Def Techs so much is because they image so well and their sound stage is incredible. I doubt the La Scala will beat them in those catagorys but for what they lack in sound stage, they make up for in clarity and dynamics. It's a trade off and I am not sure how I am going to like it.
you2slo's Avatar you2slo 05:58 AM 05-03-2012
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Originally Posted by bosoxfan View Post

Advice: current setup is,

Onkyo 805
RF 82ii
RC 35 ( for now....)

Im am having a hard time comparing the RS 52ii vs 62ii, price verses performance and which may be better with the RF 82's. Thoughts?

I have the RS-52s. I really like them. I couldn't justify the price increase or the size increase. I keep my surrounds crossed over at 80 Hz. Might the 62s have a bit more punch? Perhaps but justifying the size of the 52s to the wife was difficult enough. She is not a fan of the Series II round grill compared to the Series I grill.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 06:06 AM 05-03-2012
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My objective was to restore these and convert them to be similar to La Scala II.

W O W ! Great job!

When you cut the tops off, there was no going back!
Include pics of the mid horn you are using. Are you arranging it side-by-side with the tweeter, or standard top and under?
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 06:14 AM 05-03-2012
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Sorry, what I should have said is that it might come close to my personal liking of my Def Techs. The main reason that I like my Def Techs so much is because they image so well and their sound stage is incredible. I doubt the La Scala will beat them in those catagorys but for what they lack in sound stage, they make up for in clarity and dynamics. It's a trade off and I am not sure how I am going to like it.

In that case, you might be surprised! But it's all about how much space you have.

The best speakers I have ever heard for imaging are Klipschorns and La Scala. Mine disappear completely from the room. You'd swear that the center speaker is playing. You discover that they are two guitars being played instead of one on some recordings and can "see" theirs strings being plucked from two different spots in front of you. Voices hang in the air. But... to achieve that with La Scala, they need to be placed as you would Klipschorns: wide separation and 45 degree toe-in. Spread them out in the corners of an 18 foot wall, tow them in and sit at the crosshairs, 9 feet from the front wall, and they will image like that. Good luck!
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 06:15 AM 05-03-2012
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So, if I'm reading you correctly, you installed a piece of plywood on the wall to mount the speaker....then proceeded to smash the speaker through the plywood and jammed it into the hole you were trying to avoid in the first place. Nice.





My point was that sometimes it's worth doing right (and that I do have some DIY experience)
Dionyz's Avatar Dionyz 07:25 AM 05-03-2012
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W O W ! Great job!

When you cut the tops off, there was no going back!
Include pics of the mid horn you are using. Are you arranging it side-by-side with the tweeter, or standard top and under?

I am still using the original K-400 horn.
I am not hearing any of the metallic ringing that some people mention.
Maybe that was the issue with mid horn being in one cabinet, with bass vibrations passing into the mid horn. It could be that because with the separate top, I have a 1/2" riser/spacer to whose bottom I have attached acoustic tape which, along with the bass bin reinforcement and bracing, may reduce the vibrations passing from the bass bin. Whatever the reason may be, I am not perceiving the ringing, so for now I stuck with the original horn.

The tweeter sits above the mid horn.
Using Bob Crites tweeter which has extension to 20kHz, (K77 tweeter goes to ~16kHz) The tweeter is attached to Faital STH100 Tractrix horn.
Since this horn is 5" high I had to make the top section taller (16" instead of ~11") to accommodate it.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 07:47 AM 05-03-2012
Gotcha. I use Bob's CT-125 instead of the K77, along with his A/4500 crossover. I assumed you were doing the same and since the CT-125 is the same size as the K77 I had assumed a different mid-horn was used to account for the different height.

I don't hear the K-400 ring either and I haven't done anything special about that.

Again, great looking speakers! I tip my hat!
popalock's Avatar popalock 08:07 AM 05-03-2012
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Now that is where you can spend some money, depending on how low of an f3 you want.

Mike, you aren't kidding!

I'd really love to have an epic setup with the LMS Ultra in a sealed application. I am a HUGE fan of the sub-20Hz octaves. Looking at what some of the superstars of the forum have accomplished, I'd really love to achieve that ridiculous 10Hz tactical feel a serious LFE setup can accomplish.

My small HT room is only 12L x 14W x 8H so that makes roughly 1,344 cubes. With that said, my *cough* Def Tech Supercube Reference doesn't cut it in the least. I mean, it's "decent", but I've got plans for 2 Ultras and an LG Clone for the short term. Given I have a smaller room than most other people with similar setups, I'm hoping it will cure my itch until we have our home built with a serious HT in mind.

Speaking of room size here is the rest of my 5.1 setup.

L/R = RF-7II
C = RC-64II
RS/LS = RS-62II

Seems like the more I am researching, the RF-7's need more "room to breath" than what I am providing them. Is my room to small???
Browninggold's Avatar Browninggold 01:52 PM 05-03-2012
My room is 13'x20'x8' and I have 3 RF7IIs w/RS62IIs as surrounds w/ a PB13Ultra. Your room is perfect for that setup.
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 01:55 PM 05-04-2012
Hi I'm Hoping from some advice and maybe even some of you guys have done this. I want to purchase the Klipsch RB 61 II speakers for my left and right fronts and the RC 52 II center. I would be using the HSU VTF2 MK4 sub for bass management I already have rear in-walls for my surrounds.my receiver is a denon 2112 which is rated at 90w per ch, my room is 11x20,we sit about 10 feet from the display and front speakers. The speakers I have now are never turned up past -16 to -20 DB. So we would not be cranking these Klipsch up being it's not a big room. To my question will the denon receiver with 90 watts per channel be enough to power these speakers? Also this system is 100% movies, television and a little gaming for my son. Thanks very much.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 02:01 PM 05-04-2012
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Hi I'm Hoping from some advice and maybe even some of you guys have done this. I want to purchase the Klipsch RB 61 II speakers for my left and right fronts and the RC 52 II center. I would be using the HSU VTF2 MK4 sub for bass management I already have rear in-walls for my surrounds.my receiver is a denon 2112 which is rated at 90w per ch, my room is 11x20,we sit about 10 feet from the display and front speakers. The speakers I have now are never turned up past -16 to -20 DB. So we would not be cranking these Klipsch up being it's not a big room. To my question will the denon receiver with 90 watts per channel be enough to power these speakers? Also this system is 100% movies, television and a little gaming for my son. Thanks very much.

If your receiver is setup such that 0 dB is about maximum output (i.e. audessey is not resetting it), then -20 dB is 1/100th of rated power so around 1 Watt. There's no problem at all.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 02:03 PM 05-04-2012
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I have searched and can't find speakers with doors. I have seen some cars that the sheety subs were blowing the doors.

My THT, my La Scala and Klipschorns all have covers that must be removed to reach the woofer. Those are doors.

Kinda hard to blow them off though.
e84cooper's Avatar e84cooper 02:46 PM 05-04-2012
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If your receiver is setup such that 0 dB is about maximum output (i.e. audessey is not resetting it), then -20 dB is 1/100th of rated power so around 1 Watt. There's no problem at all.

I have this same system I love it!
e84cooper's Avatar e84cooper 02:48 PM 05-04-2012
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If your receiver is setup such that 0 dB is about maximum output (i.e. audessey is not resetting it), then -20 dB is 1/100th of rated power so around 1 Watt. There's no problem at all.

I talked to some someone at klipsch and you need to be running something that has at least 100 wpc
Colm's Avatar Colm 03:14 PM 05-04-2012
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...will the denon receiver with 90 watts per channel be enough to power these speakers?

Yes.
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 07:07 PM 05-04-2012
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If your receiver is setup such that 0 dB is about maximum output (i.e. audessey is not resetting it), then -20 dB is 1/100th of rated power so around 1 Watt. There's no problem at all.

+20 is what audyssey set the max volume at on my denon receiver.will it still be enough to power these speakers.
jnnt29's Avatar jnnt29 07:48 PM 05-04-2012
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Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

Hi I'm Hoping from some advice and maybe even some of you guys have done this. I want to purchase the Klipsch RB 61 II speakers for my left and right fronts and the RC 52 II center. I would be using the HSU VTF2 MK4 sub for bass management I already have rear in-walls for my surrounds.my receiver is a denon 2112 which is rated at 90w per ch, my room is 11x20,we sit about 10 feet from the display and front speakers. The speakers I have now are never turned up past -16 to -20 DB. So we would not be cranking these Klipsch up being it's not a big room. To my question will the denon receiver with 90 watts per channel be enough to power these speakers? Also this system is 100% movies, television and a little gaming for my son. Thanks very much.

I have nearly the same set up with a Denon AVR 4310 and it sounds very great. The 4319 is 130 wpc. I had it mated with an Onkyo 707 which was 100 wpc and with that power it was very good espacally with movies.

I think you will be happy with the 2112.
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 08:50 PM 05-04-2012
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I have nearly the same set up with a Denon AVR 4310 and it sounds very great. The 4319 is 130 wpc. I had it mated with an Onkyo 707 which was 100 wpc and with that power it was very good espacally with movies.

I think you will be happy with the 2112.

Were the speakers being powered with 100 watts or 130 watts?
mr.pope's Avatar mr.pope 08:57 PM 05-04-2012
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Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

Hi I'm Hoping from some advice and maybe even some of you guys have done this. I want to purchase the Klipsch RB 61 II speakers for my left and right fronts and the RC 52 II center. I would be using the HSU VTF2 MK4 sub for bass management I already have rear in-walls for my surrounds.my receiver is a denon 2112 which is rated at 90w per ch, my room is 11x20,we sit about 10 feet from the display and front speakers. The speakers I have now are never turned up past -16 to -20 DB. So we would not be cranking these Klipsch up being it's not a big room. To my question will the denon receiver with 90 watts per channel be enough to power these speakers? Also this system is 100% movies, television and a little gaming for my son. Thanks very much.

I am currently powering my 7.1 system of RF/RB/RC35s with a 2112 in a similarly sized room. I find that I have plenty of power for movies. I previously had a 2807 and thought music sounded better. I'm not sure that this is in my head or not.
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 09:28 PM 05-04-2012
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I am currently powering my 7.1 system of RF/RB/RC35s with a 2112 in a similarly sized room. I find that I have plenty of power for movies. I previously had a 2807 and thought music sounded better. I'm not sure that this is in my head or not.

Thank you
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 09:28 PM 05-04-2012
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I have nearly the same set up with a Denon AVR 4310 and it sounds very great. The 4319 is 130 wpc. I had it mated with an Onkyo 707 which was 100 wpc and with that power it was very good espacally with movies.

I think you will be happy with the 2112.

Thank you
jnnt29's Avatar jnnt29 06:28 AM 05-05-2012
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Were the speakers being powered with 100 watts or 130 watts?

They were origionally powered by the Onkyo 707 which is 100 wpc. Now they are powered by the Denon which is 130 wpc. There is difference between in the two. The Onkyo did a good job of driving the RB61ii, but Denon sound is not as bright and smoother. You can see mine in my signature below. JT
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 07:28 AM 05-05-2012
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They were origionally powered by the Onkyo 707 which is 100 wpc. Now they are powered by the Denon which is 130 wpc. There is difference between in the two. The Onkyo did a good job of driving the RB61ii, but Denon sound is not as bright and smoother. You can see mine in my signature below. JT

Your setup looks great! you did a great job on the entertainment center it really looks amazing, I take pride in doing all my own building as I'm an electrician by trade and craftsman by hobby, I been building houses with my dad since I was a little boy so I know how rewarding it is to create something from scratch. Bravo well done... Sorry to hear about the surge, have you thought about a whole house surge protector? It will only cost you about a $100 and is quite simple to install at your electric panel. I'm really excited for the new speakers and hope the 2112 does the job. I was also very disappointed about 6th ave elect going out of business, if it's the one on rt 22 your talking about I would drive by it everyday and often stop in :-(
nezff's Avatar nezff 08:14 AM 05-05-2012
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They were origionally powered by the Onkyo 707 which is 100 wpc. Now they are powered by the Denon which is 130 wpc. There is difference between in the two. The Onkyo did a good job of driving the RB61ii, but Denon sound is not as bright and smoother. You can see mine in my signature below. JT

But remember your speakers aren't getting the full 130 with all channels driven. More like 95.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 08:34 AM 05-05-2012
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+20 is what audyssey set the max volume at on my denon receiver.will it still be enough to power these speakers.

Bear with me because I am a bit confused, not having a receiver with Audyssey and unsure of what it actually resets.

I was under the impression that instead of having 0 dB mean the max your receiver can produce (given a maxed input), audyssey resets 0 dB to mean reference (Is this correct? What does audyssey do when the system is not capable of reaching reference?). If that were the case, then your +20dB above implies that you reach reference 20 dB below your max and that is clearly impossible. At -20 dB on the volume dial, you would be 20 dB below reference and 40 dB below your max? Not likely.

Still, since you are listening at around -20 dB, it is likely that you are only using a fraction of full rated power.

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Were the speakers being powered with 100 watts or 130 watts?

It wouldn't matter much. There's a 1 dB difference between 100 and 130 Watts.
psgcdn's Avatar psgcdn 08:34 AM 05-05-2012
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But remember your speakers aren't getting the full 130 with all channels driven. More like 95.

A mere 1 dB difference...
jjclecky's Avatar jjclecky 01:58 PM 05-05-2012
Im not sure about this either but I think your saying that I'm ok using the 2112 for these speakers and that makes me warm and fuzzy. I
Not sure why audussey set the max at + 20db for max volume and not 0db. So what would reference volume be in my situation then?
jconjason's Avatar jconjason 02:09 PM 05-05-2012
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Im not sure about this either but I think your saying that I'm ok using the 2112 for these speakers and that makes me warm and fuzzy. I
Not sure why audussey set the max at + 20db for max volume and not 0db. So what would reference volume be in my situation then?

are you using relative volume or absolute? If relative, then your reference should be 0db if you're listening at -20 I'm guessing you're using relative. I'm using the 2112 as well.
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