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You may be reading too much into a cracked grill. If it was damaged while on the speaker there would likely be marks or significant damage to the driver. Chances are better it got damaged while off the speaker. Perhaps the seller didn't mention a cracked grill in his eBay ad because he's replaced it.
It's certainly possible, but I don't appreciate it when I feel that something is hidden. It's like buying a used motorcycle where someone replaced the piston. I'd rather have "new piston" on the listing than nothing, even if it was preventative maintenance at a set interval without any problems existing.

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@amatuerholic I agree it should be disclosed, my point was simply if the speakers themselves are in a perfectly cosmetic and useable condition at 30% off the. The extra $25-50 for grill no big deal. Especially if there's a reasonable reason for it (came that way, etc). I agree with Ken how'd it happen? Having the older non-magnetic grills I see why those cheap posts can break!
I agree, and I was always concerned when removing the grills from my Focus 140s.

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@amatuerholic I agree it should be disclosed, my point was simply if the speakers themselves are in a perfectly cosmetic and useable condition at 30% off the. The extra $25-50 for grill no big deal. Especially if there's a reasonable reason for it (came that way, etc). I agree with Ken how'd it happen? Having the older non-magnetic grills I see why those cheap posts can break!
I contacted the guy and asked him about his grills, this was his response! Zero affiliation with him, I was curious about the price drop etc.. So I just emailed him..

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It's certainly possible, but I don't appreciate it when I feel that something is hidden. It's like buying a used motorcycle where someone replaced the piston. I'd rather have "new piston" on the listing than nothing, even if it was preventative maintenance at a set interval without any problems existing.



I agree, and I was always concerned when removing the grills from my Focus 140s.
i have one of the posts broken off inside one of my excite 12's,it was caused only by trying to remove the grill...maybe too aggressively,i don't know,but the speaker was never knocked over or anything like that.Yet i can't see cracking a grill by simply trying to remove it,might be something more there...i did ask Otto how to remove the little post from the speaker(where it remains) and he said he was going to ask the service department the best way to remove it....still waiting for the reply.

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i have one of the posts broken off inside one of my excite 12's,it was caused only by trying to remove the grill...maybe too aggressively,i don't know,but the speaker was never knocked over or anything like that.Yet i can't see cracking a grill by simply trying to remove it,might be something more there...i did ask Otto how to remove the little post from the speaker(where it remains) and he said he was going to ask the service department the best way to remove it....still waiting for the reply.
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i have one of the posts broken off inside one of my excite 12's,it was caused only by trying to remove the grill...maybe too aggressively,i don't know,but the speaker was never knocked over or anything like that.Yet i can't see cracking a grill by simply trying to remove it,might be something more there...i did ask Otto how to remove the little post from the speaker(where it remains) and he said he was going to ask the service department the best way to remove it....still waiting for the reply.
I'm sure there isn't any special way to remove the post. Just use small tweezers or small prong pliers if you can get around it.

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i have one of the posts broken off inside one of my excite 12's,it was caused only by trying to remove the grill...maybe too aggressively,i don't know,but the speaker was never knocked over or anything like that.Yet i can't see cracking a grill by simply trying to remove it,might be something more there...i did ask Otto how to remove the little post from the speaker(where it remains) and he said he was going to ask the service department the best way to remove it....still waiting for the reply.
Not to mention X-18 grills are magnetic and I owned them so there is no way to crack a grill by removing it from the X-18
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Not to mention X-18 grills are magnetic and I owned them so there is no way to crack a grill by removing it from the X-18
Below is a link to the auction when he first listed them. You can see the cracks in the middle of the grille, on the right speaker, in the first picture. It looks broken on both sides. I'm sure he probably replaced it if he says the grilles are ok now.

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On another note; it looks like someone has it out for Dynaudio.


You might want to save these pictures.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dynaudio-Pri...oAAOSw8gVX5aq3
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sombody else posted something similar a few months back. The markup seem to be a bit less on these ebay sheets. Why would somebody bother to post these on ebay? Maybe a dealer peed in their golden grahams.
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NVM I see it is a high end dealer with a seemingly competitive offering

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It's pretty common knowledge that dealer discount on most lines of speakers (indeed, a great many consumer goods) is 40% off list. That leaves room for high overhead of a retail shop with training and expertise in the product, or price battles among dealers selling on the internet. Or both. If a dealer isn't willing to discount off list price by some amount, they should be earning that money in some way by providing equivalent VALUE to the consumer.

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Coda used to be a Dynaudio dealer. Looks like they had some kind of falling out. Maybe they got cut off for violating the dealer agreement or something and are eating sour grapes. As far as pricing goes, it looks like Dynaudio are right in line with the industry average, so nothing to see here really.
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Not to mention X-18 grills are magnetic and I owned them so there is no way to crack a grill by removing it from the X-18
I totally forgot, haha.

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Coda used to be a Dynaudio dealer. Looks like they had some kind of falling out. Maybe they got cut off for violating the dealer agreement or something and are eating sour grapes. As far as pricing goes, it looks like Dynaudio are right in line with the industry average, so nothing to see here really.
You got that right, I wonder where Scansonic/Radhio would fall under this.... If I where Dynaudio I would ask eBay to take this down..... Pretty poor taste by dealer, but the pricing sheet looks to be spot on..

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Yup, pretty much industry standard pricing, employee purchase pricing is decent, but not anywhere near the best I've seen... I remember one line we had one time a year we'd get 70% off dealer cost for employee purchases!
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I just had another short listening session with DM 2/6s and (still) they sound amazing good for their size and price. Though I have X34 now, those are so good and their sound is amazingly "fast", dynamic and energetic. Perfect choice for a sound system in the kitchen or bedroom...
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NVM I see it is a high end dealer with a seemingly competitive offering

way to stay classy
He posted on Agon a while back that he was going to be showing Raidho at RMAF this year (8-22-16).
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussio...o-15k-new-used

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We will most likely have Soulution as the electronics (even with Raidho for certain customers). We will be showing as of right now: 3.1, 1.1, KEF Blade 2's, Franco Serblin, Acoustic Zen Cables, Aavik Acoustics. We may also do something with Dynaudio but that is uncertain at this time.
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You got that right, I wonder where Scansonic/Radhio would fall under this.... If I where Dynaudio I would ask eBay to take this down..... Pretty poor taste by dealer, but the pricing sheet looks to be spot on..
I've read a few posts on various forums hinting that Raidho markup is higher than average, and correspondingly the discounts can be a bit bigger as well. Nordost had the same reputation when Lars was marketing them.

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You got that right, I wonder where Scansonic/Radhio would fall under this.... If I where Dynaudio I would ask eBay to take this down..... Pretty poor taste by dealer, but the pricing sheet looks to be spot on..
Strange acient view in my opinion .Internet sales helps reach more customers,not everyone are living in big cities near HiFi shops
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I've read a few posts on various forums hinting that Raidho markup is higher than average, and correspondingly the discounts can be a bit bigger as well. Nordost had the same reputation when Lars was marketing them.
For one Raidho has no distributor in North America. Makes me wonder if the Dynaudio USA distributor is owned by Dynaudio in Denmark. Remember they also are the distributor for Octave. The Naim distributor in the US has changed a couple times.

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For one Raidho has no distributor in North America. Makes me wonder if the Dynaudio USA distributor is owned by Dynaudio in Denmark. Remember they also are the distributor for Octave. The Naim distributor in the US has changed a couple times.
I wonder where you got that info? There is a distributor in Canada and they come to the show in Montreal. The lady who has the distribution company also has store where she sells Raidho in the Toronto GTA.

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I wonder where you got that info? There is a distributor in Canada and they come to the show in Montreal. The lady who has the distribution company also has store where she sells Raidho in the Toronto GTA.

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I stand corrected. They changed their website and also show a distributor in Mexico.I'll ask Tyler when he comes over later today if he knows why there is no distributor in the USA.
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Coda used to be a Dynaudio dealer. Looks like they had some kind of falling out. Maybe they got cut off for violating the dealer agreement or something and are eating sour grapes. As far as pricing goes, it looks like Dynaudio are right in line with the industry average, so nothing to see here really.
So let me get this straight. Just a week ago some of you were making an argument on how dealers work on small margins, while some others and I stated it's a 40% average, and now that a price sheet is posted the margins are spot on?

I think what is spot on.....is that dealers that won't move off MSRP will continually lose customers. That is what is spot on.

I proved it again last week with Hegel. I decided I was going to buy an H360. I called probably 30 dealers, talked with people I've dealt with before that aren't dealers, and then finally landed an incredible deal. The dealer that gave me that deal made some money and all the others sat around with nothing but their stubbornness in tact.
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Yup, pretty much industry standard pricing, employee purchase pricing is decent, but not anywhere near the best I've seen... I remember one line we had one time a year we'd get 70% off dealer cost for employee purchases!
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The dealer that gave me that deal made some money and all the others sat around with nothing but their stubbornness in tact.
They also sat around...with something else: their dealer agreement intact, lol.

Don't get me wrong; I'm with you on this issue. But I don't see the dealer, as the villain; I see the distributor!

Some dealers, would love to make better deals. Hey...in a free market; it's up to ME, if I want to make $100, or $1,000...or $5,000. To quote from the outstanding, Glengarry Glen Ross:

"Are you gonna give me $7,500?"

"75? I thought we were splitting five grand."

"I lied, all right? Your end is 25, my end is my own concern."

This horsesh*t, about keeping hi-end image up; is exactly that...horsesh*t! You like paying more from the guy...with a B&M, who lets you come in, spin music; bullsh*t around about kit. Comes to your house, and hauls heavy-a$$ speakers...so you don't have to. Gives you good value, when you're ready to trade-up...so you don't have to deal with the often-times, cesspool...that is the used, hi-end market? So be it. He's got costs, and you like his model; so you'll pay for that privilege.

But...if you know what you want, and you just want it shipped to your house and be left the f*ck alone with it. Why should a dealer, make $500, $1,000...$5,000; for a damn phone call?

I'm sure there's plenty of argument to be had here; this is just my take, on why this industry is "stuck". The Internet...as we have, if we weren't already aware of; brings transparency. This whole "we don't discount", "we don't sell on the Internet"; you might as well be saying...where can I fax you that receipt. It's outmoded.

But...here's the WORST thing: I happen to know for a fact...because I've known enough dealers, over my years; how hypocritical it all is. A lot of distributors, look the other way...if the volume is good enough. Don't ask any questions, as long as the money is rolling in; don't wanna know...how this guy, sells twice as many speakers, as the next guy.

IDK; it NEVER suited my style. Go into a snooty B&M, be treated like sh*t; pointed in a certain direction...and be looked at, like I just stepped off a space-ship because I expected more than a 5% discount...lol
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Sounds like JL Audio
I did work for a JL dealer at one time, but that was over 20 years ago and I can't even remember what their employee purchase options were... :rofl:
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Did Dynaudio get around to posting spec sheets for the new Contour? I thought I read some reviews were out already.

Haven't had a huge amount of luck finding a local dealer in Seattle with a showroom either. They only have two dealers, one doesn't appear to carry Contour and the other operates out of a house.
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I don't think there was much of a debate about margins especially since the dealer price list for dynaudio was posted in this thread just a few weeks prior showing similar markups. I don't think high end dealers are very profitable in general. Just not much volume these days. In fact in my giant city of Houston we seem to have a hard time keeping the boutiques in business.


I wouldn't be eager to do business with any dealer childish enough to post a revenge eBay ad. The ad says avoid getting ripped off. So logically either they are willing to show you the markups for their lines or they are willing to rip you off. I couldn't have faith to buy anything expensive from somebody so immature.
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