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You guys and gals worried about margins have obviously never owned a business. The dealers are the people showing, selling and installing the products. They are NOT out to rob you, they are there to help. Dynaudio would fail miserably as an Internet direct company.

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If people wonder what kind of company Dynaudio is.... Please read the attached email. You can thank Brian for the downfall, mick. Also, it's very tasteless to threaten my life.
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So let me get this straight. Just a week ago some of you were making an argument on how dealers work on small margins, while some others and I stated it's a 40% average, and now that a price sheet is posted the margins are spot on?

I think what is spot on.....is that dealers that won't move off MSRP will continually lose customers. That is what is spot on.
Maybe you need to go back and re-read those posts, because that wasn't the argument.

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You guys and gals worried about margins have obviously never owned a business. The dealers are the people showing, selling and installing the products. They are NOT out to rob you, they are there to help. Dynaudio would fail miserably as an Internet direct company.
I have to imagine...there are plenty of business owners in this thread. I've owned 2, including currently. But you're missing the point.

I...as the business owner; should get to decide, how I want to run my business. If Dyn says: the cost to you, of C1 Plats...is $5250; and you should make $3500, on the sale of a pair. Well...that's their suggestion; as in MSRP...Manufactures Suggested Retail Price. But every situation is different.

If a new customer comes in...a dozen times. Auditions for hours. You hold his hand, for weeks...before you even get down to brass tacks. Sure...charge and/or discount him, what you think is fair; because of the time spent and costs associated with that sale. And you'll either get the sale, and your time and investment will have been paid for; or even after all that...he'll walk out the door, and buy from someone else.

But if a guy calls, or emails you; says...I heard these at the show, and my buddy has a pair. I'm in; now it's just a matter of price. Do you really "deserve", to make $3500...for a phone call? And I'm not talking about, selling outside your area; I'm just talking about, not getting your a$$ slapped...for a calculated, business decision (and for the record...I am hardly, singling Dyn out here; this is about the industry in general. Nor, am I suggesting...Dyn become ID ).

Like I said...I don't even care about the margins. The free market, takes care of itself. If dealers decide, they don't like the Dyn model; they'll stop carrying it, and then Dyn (or again, whomever...will be in trouble, yes?). But like I said; it's the hypocrisy, that sometimes turns my stomach (and I'm far from squeamish).

I'm not into naming names; but c'mon...we all know a certain dealer or dealers, who discount and outside their territory. And I can guarantee you...they're sitting down to steaks and scotches, with Mick, Otto, and Wilfried.

Again; I know this will rub some nerves raw, as I am want to do on occasion. But this is NOT an attack, on Dynaudio (whose speakers I still regard highly). In fact...many of you know me, to be a PMC guy; and their distribution model...at least in the US...is even more screwed-up, lol.

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I have to imagine...there are plenty of business owners in this thread. I've owned 2, including currently. But you're missing the point.

I...as the business owner; should get to decide, how I want to run my business. If Dyn says: the cost to you, of C1 Plats...is $5250; and you should make $3500, on the sale of a pair. Well...that's their suggestion; as in MSRP...Manufactures Suggested Retail Price. But every situation is different.

If a new customer comes in...a dozen times. Auditions for hours. You hold his hand, for weeks...before you even get down to brass tacks. Sure...charge and/or discount him, what you think is fair; because of the time spent and costs associated with that sale. And you'll either get the sale, and your time and investment will have been paid for; or even after all that...he'll walk out the door, and buy from someone else.

But if a guy calls, or emails you; says...I heard these at the show, and my buddy has a pair. I'm in; now it's just a matter of price. Do you really "deserve", to make $3500...for a phone call? And I'm not talking about, selling outside your area; I'm just talking about, not getting your a$$ slapped...for a calculated, business decision (and for the record...I am hardly, singling Dyn out here; this is about the industry in general. Nor, am I suggesting...Dyn become ID ).

Like I said...I don't even care about the margins. The free market, takes care of itself. If dealers decide, they don't like the Dyn model; they'll stop carrying it, and then Dyn (or again, whomever...will be in trouble, yes?). But like I said; it's the hypocrisy, that sometimes turns my stomach (and I'm far from squeamish).

I'm not into naming names; but c'mon...we all know a certain dealer or dealers, who discount and outside their territory. And I can guarantee you...they're sitting down to steaks and scotches, with Mick, Otto, and Wilfried.

Again; I know this will rub some nerves raw, as I am want to do on occasion. But this is NOT an attack, on Dynaudio (whose speakers I still regard highly). In fact...many of you know me, to be a PMC guy; and their distribution model...at least in the US...is even more screwed-up, lol.

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.....a guy there suggested i try cat 7 ethernet cable,instead of the cat 6 i am now using,has anyone tried this uprgrade?He says the difference is staggering for a small outlay of cash.
Staggering in what way? Cat 6 already uses twisted pair conductors and is capable at transferring data at much higher speeds than anyone's home internet speed availability. I would guess you aren't going to hear a difference.

Then, you also have to consider that it's hard to find a "certified" true cat 7 cable, and some have been tested to not even exceed "certified" cat 6 speeds. Basically, there are a lot of cat 7 cables that perform worse than a good cat 6. Cat 7 was designed for people that need longer than a 100 meter run.

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If people wonder what kind of company Dynaudio is.... Please read the attached email. You can thank Brian for the downfall, mick. Also, it's very tasteless to threaten my life.
All I see is an apology. I'm interested in seeing the initial email that warranted the apology.

I've never dealt with Brian. I know every time I've ever talked with Mike I always get the same response; "send me an email". Then he never acts on the email and I end up calling Mick to get my situation handled. Mike is pretty worthless when it comes to customer service.

The only time I've ever had an issue with Mick is when he emailed me asking why I was calling other dealers shopping around. I told him I don't have a dealer in my area (which he already knew), so he replied with ok. It's funny to me how distributors think they can tell me where I can spend my own hard earned money. They really think they have that control.

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Maybe you need to go back and re-read those posts, because that wasn't the argument.
The argument was you think everyone here is an idiot, and we all are clueless to simple overhead costs. Your argument was the dealer margins are small and the overhead eats up their already small margins. You are making blanket statements as if all dealers are just getting by. I call BS.

The high end audio market is no different than any other market. There are those who are successful, and those who are not. There are good doctors, and bad doctors. There are good attorneys, and bad attorneys. There are cities with good markets, and cities with bad markets. Just because you are familiar with dealers who aren't very good at what they do, doesn't mean all dealers are broke.

I'm done with this discussion for two reasons:

1. I don't care how much a dealer makes. I care about how much I spend. So the margins are really moot in my mind.

2. If a dealer doesn't come off MSRP, and by a good margin, I shop elsewhere. That will never change. Just as I spend my money, you spend yours.


You would think on a consumer forum more people would be defending getting a good deal, and not paying a dealer thousands for the action of making a simple phone call. This is coming from a successful business owner of over ten years. At the end of the day, the realized gain is what matters; not holding firm at MSRP and passing up potential gain just to do so.
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All I see is an apology. I'm interested in seeing the initial email that warranted the apology.

I've never dealt with Brian. I know every time I've ever talked with Mike I always get the same response; "send me an email". Then he never acts on the email and I end up calling Mick to get my situation handled. Mike is pretty worthless when it comes to customer service.

The only time I've ever had an issue with Mick is when he emailed me asking why I was calling other dealers shopping around. I told him I don't have a dealer in my area (which he already knew), so he replied with ok. It's funny to me how distributors think they can't tell me where I can spend my hard earned money. They really think they have that control.
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i cant open any of these attachments, but it feels like grade school drama. Nothing screams business integrity like spite posting against competitive products.

how about posting some of the margins on some of your cable offerings ?
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i cant open any of these attachments, but it feels like grade school drama. Nothing screams business integrity like spite posting against competitive products.

how about posting some of the margins on some of your cable offerings ?
I couldn't in Safari, but Firefox let me open them.

I can agree, but if he posts the unprofessional conduct by the Dyn rep which warranted an apology, that would be interesting and informative to the general public; and maybe even Dynaudio corporate.
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