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Any updates on availability in the US for the new Contour series? I am assuming the December date is DOA, is January likely now?

Do any US dealers have them in their showrooms yet?
If you are in the Chicago land areas then you can go to ProMusica. They have it on display as of now.
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If you are in the Chicago land areas then you can go to ProMusica. They have it on display as of now.
JS Audio in Bethesda, MD has C20/30.
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Yeah. I think it is pretty uncalled for to attack Borderdog like that, and mentioning stuff from his past on this forum. In my oppinion he have kept it very civil and being informative, helping out and staying on topic; which is what is we all should strive for, yes?


On another topic, my dealer yesterday also told me something very interesting. That an upcoming firmware update for the XDs will also make an improvement to the sound. Pretty cool! Was hoping with the DSP and all they would be able to do this via firmware updates. Great support from Dynaudio if this holds true!
I just went on the Dyn website looking for any future update information,could not see anything,but on the firmware update page,you can send Dyn your email address and the model number you have(xd 600) and they will alert you when updates are available for your speakers...kind of nice of them

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You guys have to understand one thing. George and I have been taking jabs at each other for years. We have always kept it relatively friendly.

Last year at Chicago Expona, George and I met face-to-face for the first time. We had some great conversations (not always audio related) and since we are about the same age, (and probably the two oldest posters on this thread), we could agree and disagree without any malice. Maybe it's because George and I have similar filters. Hey guys, once you get into your early 60's you'll understand.

Anyways, the next day George brought me a 6-pack of this wonderful ale.
So, I forgive George for his infatuation with Raidho and his belief that there is no corruption in Chicago politics.

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Hey Aaron I think both you and Gar forget I was as a die hard Dyn fan as much you guys are today. Tyler will testify to that. First I've never bashed Dyn's and like I have always said they can not be beat for the money. That said IMO (that means In My Opinion) they (Dyn's) can be beat. But it will come for a price. For most we are not talking chump change. Little things like family come first. I understand that and would argue with anyone who doesn't think so. Again IMO the day I heard the Raidho's it was a sound I couldn't get out of my head for months. It's very different. Like I also said they are a lot harder to get the position right. But when you do it's something else. I made the decision to get them and not think about the sound I heard. Who knows I may not be around tomorrow. All I'm trying to say whether or not they are in your budget is just listen to them when set up properly. It's magical and different. IMO more lifelike with a lot more detail (not that Dyn's have no detail because they do). Dyn's are much easier set up to sound their best. Again I thought C1 sigs were never going anywhere. BUT I heard something I liked better.

No corruption in Chicago?? Dude it's not just ChiRaq but the whole state. I can't think of the last elected Governor who wasn't brought up on charges even at our age BTW that was't an Ale it was an IPA I gave you and Gar. Zombie Dust from a local brewery that is very popular and hard to get and because of that Learn your Brews Dude
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Hey Aaron I think both you and Gar forget I was as a die hard Dyn fan as much you guys are today. Tyler will testify to that. First I've never bashed Dyn's and like I have always said they can not be beat for the money. That said IMO (that means In My Opinion) they (Dyn's) can be beat. But it will come for a price. For most we are not talking chump change. Little things like family come first. I understand that and would argue with anyone who doesn't think so. Again IMO the day I heard the Raidho's it was a sound I couldn't get out of my head for months. It's very different. Like I also said they are a lot harder to get the position right. But when you do it's something else. I made the decision to get them and not think about the sound I heard. Who knows I may not be around tomorrow. All I'm trying to say whether or not they are in your budget is just listen to them when set up properly. It's magical and different. IMO more lifelike with a lot more detail (not that Dyn's have no detail because they do). Dyn's are much easier set up to sound their best. Again I thought C1 sigs were never going anywhere. BUT I heard something I liked better.

No corruption in Chicago?? Dude it's not just ChiRaq but the whole state. I can't think of the last elected Governor who wasn't brought up on charges even at our age BTW that was't an Ale it was an IPA I gave you and Gar. Zombie Dust from a local brewery that is very popular and hard to get and because of that Learn your Brews Dude
I still owe you some Spotted Squirrel and some Capital Amber.. When Tyler gets his place done, well for me it will have to be April just before Axpona I will bring some down and check out Tylers new place and hopefully by then I will have enough cash for the new Contour 20's..

George: for the way you have your room setup, I think they Raidho's work better for you than the Dynaudio's, because of the Near-field foot print. You can sit much closer to them than any other floor stander I have heard...

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Yonson,

A few years ago I tricked out the sound system on my Chevy HD2500 pickup. It was an extended cab with an 8' bed. (You needed a football field to turn it).

From what I've seen they haven't changed the Esotec line much over the years, but I'm sure they have tweaked the drivers and crossovers some. I don't see it listed now, but I was able to get a kit with: 2-Esotec X 252 crossovers, 2-Esotec MW 172 drivers, and 2-Esotec MD 102 tweeters. (I believe then were labeled MW 170, and MD 100). I believe the kit was called the "System 262". I also used a 10" MW 180(182) subwoofer. They didn't have the Esotar line of car audio drivers then. But, I did have Esotar tweets in the house system.

I took the panels off my doors, took up parts of the carpet, and installed sound damping materials in the doors and the floor. I think it's a product from Cascade. The inside of my truck driving 75MPH was about 70dB, which is really quiet.

Luckily I didn't have to cut any metal on my doors. I did have to cut a little bit on the inside door panels, though. All the drivers were mounted on MDF rings I made. I was still able to put the factory grills over everything to hide the drivers from curious eyes. Also used the factory head unit, which at the time was made by Delco. I used the factory head unit because one, the Delco unit was better than most aftermarket and two, it kept everything stealthy. So that way, anybody peaking inside my truck didn't see a high-end installation. All the amps were mounted on a panel I installed behind the rear seats; therefore,not visible.
The subwoofer box I built was sized to the Thiel/Small parameters of the MW 180 and fit perfectly under the rear seats and across the floor hump, again stealthy. I fired the sub down. The box was painted gray to match the gray leather interior.

This system was extremely balanced and capable down to 25Hz without that one-note thump that so many installations have. I use to have fun with some of my friends who like rap. I'd ask them if they had any hip-hop Cd's. They would sit in my truck, I'd pop in one of their CD's and listen to my system with their jaws dropped to their chest. It was fun seeing those reactions.

One of my employees and I were driving to work one morning and sad to say, a tractor/trailer bought my truck. Luckily, no one was hurt.
Very nice! I installed for many years, and always had decent systems in my vehicles until I got tired of them getting stolen and just gave it up. Now I'm doing something very similar to what you did. I have a 2016 F-150 Regular cab and even though I have the best stereo offered for it (Sat-Nav with door speakers and tweeters in the A pillars along with a center channel) you can turn it all the way up and it's like my Chevy work truck at 60% volume. I'm going to do the System 242 along with a sealed JL Audio 10 or maybe 12 with everything run off either a Hertz or Audison 4 channel amp.
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Very nice! I installed for many years, and always had decent systems in my vehicles until I got tired of them getting stolen and just gave it up. Now I'm doing something very similar to what you did. I have a 2016 F-150 Regular cab and even though I have the best stereo offered for it (Sat-Nav with door speakers and tweeters in the A pillars along with a center channel) you can turn it all the way up and it's like my Chevy work truck at 60% volume. I'm going to do the System 242 along with a sealed JL Audio 10 or maybe 12 with everything run off either a Hertz or Audison 4 channel amp.
Yonson, love JL gear I had 2 cars with 2 full JL systems except for the deck in the past both had 3 subs setups and VR components. At that time I had some serious long range alarm system on the car but yes the idea of having the system stolen was always in the back of my head as those guys know what the hell they are doing and they certainly know how to disengage even the most advance anti theft syste that existed in the late 90s.

Anyways that was a good reason for me for wanting a JL sub at home since I thought they always sounded terrific and musical.

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George: for the way you have your room setup, I think they Raidho's work better for you than the Dynaudio's, because of the Near-field foot print. You can sit much closer to them than any other floor stander I have heard...
Actually the C1's were perfect. It was the C2's that didn't work out so well because of the nearfield seating.
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Very nice! I installed for many years, and always had decent systems in my vehicles until I got tired of them getting stolen and just gave it up. Now I'm doing something very similar to what you did. I have a 2016 F-150 Regular cab and even though I have the best stereo offered for it (Sat-Nav with door speakers and tweeters in the A pillars along with a center channel) you can turn it all the way up and it's like my Chevy work truck at 60% volume. I'm going to do the System 242 along with a sealed JL Audio 10 or maybe 12 with everything run off either a Hertz or Audison 4 channel amp.
Yonson,

A center channel in a truck? You don't need no center channel in a truck. (Remember my posts a few days ago about center channels in A/V setups).

Even if the Esotar mobile drivers would have been available, I don't think I would have used them. Maybe if I set up the truck for SQ Competitions. The Esotec system is pretty incredible rolling down the highway.

The Esotar 12" subwoofer is really good, but to reach a target Qtc of .707 in a sealed box, it requires almost 2 cu. ft. of interior box volume. That's a big box to squeeze into tight areas.

You can't go wrong with JL Audio subwoofer drivers. Many of the JL's can be reach a Qtc. of .707 in 1 cu.ft or less of interior box volume...just requires more power.
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BTW that was't an Ale it was an IPA I gave you and Gar. Zombie Dust from a local brewery that is very popular and hard to get and because of that Learn your Brews Dude
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Yonson,

A center channel in a truck? You don't need no center channel in a truck. (Remember my posts a few days ago about center channels in A/V setups).

Even if the Esotar mobile drivers would have been available, I don't think I would have used them. Maybe if I set up the truck for SQ Competitions. The Esotec system is pretty incredible rolling down the highway.

The Esotar 12" subwoofer is really good, but to reach a target Qtc of .707 in a sealed box, it requires almost 2 cu. ft. of interior box volume. That's a big box to squeeze into tight areas.

You can't go wrong with JL Audio subwoofer drivers. Many of the JL's can be reach a Qtc. of .707 in 1 cu.ft or less of interior box volume...just requires more power.
I used to always have killer systems in my vehicles too,and for the same reasons as Yonson (theft) i no longer use anything other than factory stereos.I had no less than four systems stolen in various cities,even when i had alarms installed.The last one i had was in a 2005 f- 350 Harley Davidson edition truck(crew cab),the bastards broke my side window out,tried to use a crowbar to pry my 1.5 din deck/dvd screen out of the dash...even with the alarm going off,in my driveway.The stereo itself,i used pioneer mid's and tweeters with one ten inch jl audio sub,that jl makes a custom enclosure for,it fit inside the console between the 2 front seats...all driven by three Alpine digital amps and an alarm system,that does NOT deter thieves,never again will i do this,all my money now goes into my home system.The problem is that,even if it is well hidden,if someone hears you driving down the road,with it "bumping" and they see where you park/live,they show up later with their tools,and you are left to pick up the pieces.I have never had any problems with theft at home,i do have insurance,but also i have always had BIG dogs too,previously Mastiff's,and currently a boxer...no more theft problems.My 2 channel room is also a home gym room.
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Yonson, love JL gear I had 2 cars with 2 full JL systems except for the deck in the past both had 3 subs setups and VR components. At that time I had some serious long range alarm system on the car but yes the idea of having the system stolen was always in the back of my head as those guys know what the hell they are doing and they certainly know how to disengage even the most advance anti theft syste that existed in the late 90s.

Anyways that was a good reason for me for wanting a JL sub at home since I thought they always sounded terrific and musical.

I now just use what ever stock system i have in my car.
BigAl87,

How are you liking your X18? I'm interested in your impressions.
I know I just looove mine. Going from "gosh this is expensive for a bookshelf" to a "the value I got is unreal, I wonder what the towers are like!".

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BigAl87,

How are you liking your X18? I'm interested in your impressions.
I know I just looove mine. Going from "gosh this is expensive for a bookshelf" to a "the value I got is unreal, I wonder what the towers are like!".

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X18 is a great Value but I think the Emit M20 is an even better Value but X-18 is the Better overall speaker, It has amazing musicality, exceptional tonal balance and throws an enormous soundstage, If you ask me the Focus 160 was better than the X-18, the X-18 has flaws with some of the reference material I use to test port resonance. Regardless not to many Bookshelf can handle Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here without serious Port Resonance, My Totem Fires do but they cost 2.5 times the price.

Regardless I love the X-18 very much and it is a very solid speaker for that price point it is remarkable no doubt about that. X-34 is not little floor stander which i love and enjoy very much and for it's price point a gain it is very solid speaker. I did not hear the X-38 nor the new Excite flagship X-44 which would work in pretty large rooms.
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X18 is a great Value but I think the Emit M20 is an even better Value but X-18 is the Better overall speaker, It has amazing musicality, exceptional tonal balance and thros an enormous soundstage, If you ask me the Docus 160 was better than the X-18, THe X-18 has flaws with some of the reference material I use to test port resonance. Regardless not to many Bookshelf can handle Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here without serious Port Resonance, My Totem Fires do but they cost 2.5 times the price.
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Thanks BigAl87! X18s are my only Dynaudios. But your (and others) experience with wider range of Dynaudio's gives me confidence that my future speakers, my gifts to family and my recommendations to friends will be Dynaudio range

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Yonson, love JL gear I had 2 cars with 2 full JL systems except for the deck in the past both had 3 subs setups and VR components. At that time I had some serious long range alarm system on the car but yes the idea of having the system stolen was always in the back of my head as those guys know what the hell they are doing and they certainly know how to disengage even the most advance anti theft syste that existed in the late 90s.

Anyways that was a good reason for me for wanting a JL sub at home since I thought they always sounded terrific and musical.

I now just use what ever stock system i have in my car.
Yeah, I started using JL subs in the early 90's after a short stint using Orion subs, and shortly after the switch to JL I went away from using MB Quart and started using Dyns and Morels for mids/tweeters with homemade crossovers in my cars. I've been happy with my factory sound systems the last 10 - 12 years or so but the one in my new truck is abysmal...
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Yonson,

A center channel in a truck? You don't need no center channel in a truck. (Remember my posts a few days ago about center channels in A/V setups).

Even if the Esotar mobile drivers would have been available, I don't think I would have used them. Maybe if I set up the truck for SQ Competitions. The Esotec system is pretty incredible rolling down the highway.

The Esotar 12" subwoofer is really good, but to reach a target Qtc of .707 in a sealed box, it requires almost 2 cu. ft. of interior box volume. That's a big box to squeeze into tight areas.

You can't go wrong with JL Audio subwoofer drivers. Many of the JL's can be reach a Qtc. of .707 in 1 cu.ft or less of interior box volume...just requires more power.
Haha yeah I remember... That's one thing I've always liked about JL's subs they work in a variety of different enclosures. When I had my 10W6 I ran it in everything from a sealed to ported and even in a homemade aperiodic membrane setup in my spare tire well.
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To be honest, we have not been very consistent when it comes to the naming schemes of our drivers. This is mostly due to the fact that we are no longer selling individual drivers. We are not trying to create lineups of drivers that are easy to understand, as we don't want you to buy drivers, but to buy speakers. Our drivers, especially our woofers, are available in many different variants, and it's not easy to draw lines between them, as the differences are not straight forward. And in many cases we do not tell you what the actual difference is, for several reasons. Sometimes a difference that is small on paper makes a huge difference in sound. Sometimes it's the opposite. For this reason we are actually trying not to put too much emphasis on the individual component details, however it's a balance as this is exactly the details that most enthusiasts want to hear... So for instance for the new Contour we are going a bit deeper in detail than what we have usually done.

But, generally speaking, for instance 18 W 75 tells you that you have an 18 cm Woofer (W) with a 75 mm voice coil. But that doesn't actually say much, other than the size. There are a LOT of variations within one size, as you may imagine. Esotar is our marketing name for our top of the line tweeters (and is also used for high-end aftermarket car woofers, with no underlying logic other than to say "this is the best one"). We don't actually have a defined set of features that make out an Esotar, other than to say that it's the best we have.

Esotec started out as the name for the D260 tweeter, and has since been used to varying degrees to designate a level of quality that is below the Esotar, but above what we call our "standard" drivers (which actually don't really have a marketing name as such). Esotec+ basically means a driver using Ferrite+ magnets, but again there can be many variations.

In short, other than the crude definitions of Esotar vs Esotec vs Standard, we currently don't really have a meaningful way of publicly differentiating the drivers from each other. We are looking into how to make this more transparent, but as we are developing the drivers to work optimally for each speaker, not to have it fit into a certain pre-defined lineup of features, it's not a simple project. And we don't want to make worse sounding speakers, just for the sake of putting more "logic" into the feature naming of the drivers. It can be very restrictive to the R&D process to pre-define a set of rules for which features go into each lineup. To give an example, we have a very different set of priorities for a 17W75 woofer in a two way speaker with a crossover point around 2 kHz, and an 18W75 woofer that would go into a three-way with a crossover point at, say, 300 Hz. Looking at the feature list of the drivers, it might not be obvious why we would abandon certain features for the more expensive three-way, when we are touting them as key features for the same size driver in a two-way. But the requirements for a driver are vastly different, depending on the frequency range you are using it in. Because of this, it can be extremely complex to evaluate the quality of a driver, based on the features that go into it. Which also explains why, for instance, a few of our drivers use copper voice coils, while we are at the same time touting aluminum voice coils as superior for most of our products. They are used in different ways.

I'm not sure that's the answer you were looking for, but this is the main reasons why that answer doesn't really exist...
Thank you for the detailed explanation.

What makes it frustrating is that, despite everything you said, the marketing materials do make references to Esotar, Esotec+, etc...but when you try to find out what these terms actually mean, it's very hard.
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Is it just I, or didn't Dynaudio used to have more US dealers? Using their dealer locator, I can only find two dealers in the state of Texas. Texas is a pretty big state, BTW. Makes for a lot of traveling just to be able to get a look at the new Contours.

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Is it just I, or didn't Dynaudio used to have more US dealers? Using their dealer locator, I can only find two dealers in the state of Texas. Texas is a pretty big state, BTW. Makes for a lot of traveling just to be able to get a look at the new Contours.
All manufacturers of audio equipment have fewer dealers.

Over the last 8-10 years, dealers have been closing their doors at an alarming rate. It's like a contagion.

A good friend of mine in Charlottesville, VA closed his doors (Stereo Types) two years ago after 35 years in business. He just threw his hands up in frustration and shuttered the business.
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