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You see,after reading Mr Integrations post about the future,I am sitting back and waiting for at least a year before any new speaker purchase,I do believe he knows a little something.
You won't need to wait a year to be dazzled. New Products likely shipping every quarter this year
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I have not posted in while as i was getting frustrated by the long delay of delivery of my C-30 and I finally got the good news Wednesday, my dealer has finally received my C-30s and will be taking delivery next week.

Needless to say I am super excited and looking forward to give you my impressions guys
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I have not posted in while as i was getting frustrated by the long delay of delivery of my C-30 and I finally got the good news Wednesday, my dealer has finally received my C-30s and will be taking delivery next week.

Needless to say I am super excited and looking forward to give you my impressions guys
I was told that the Focus are in short supply, the initial demand caught them by surprise!
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I was told that the Focus are in short supply, the initial demand caught them by surprise!
Were you trying to say the Contour was short supply? Anyhow, Yes They were indeed surprised byt the large demand of the new Contour but for my part there's a whole story about it and all I can say if Dyn USA would have been the unique distributor in NA like a few years ago i would have had my speaker A while back when they actually came out in the US.

Anyhow bottom line is the Rep that was working for the Canadian distributor back in may 2016 had never actually placed my order and new rep later found out and had sort all the problems out. He then placed the order himself but then became a waiting game as they had to wait for next shipment from Denmark and although they expected the Speakers end of feb beginning of march they must have stayed in transit for a while until they reached distributor and later my dealer.

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Were you trying to say the Contour was short supply?
Exactly

Still in love with the Focus, can't take my eyes off 'em
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Speaking of XD these seem to be at a great price for the XD200!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/mo...7-manasquan-nj

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Speaking of XD these seem to be at a great price for the XD200!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/mo...7-manasquan-nj
And also the XD400. Really good prices. But I believe the seller is European (Greece?), despite the NJ address. What this means, I don't know...

A great opportunity for anyone inspired by the new firmware, I guess, if you dare...
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Speaking of XD these seem to be at a great price for the XD200!

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/mo...7-manasquan-nj
Yes that is a good deal...remember,Otto himself uses the xd 200's on his desktop I believe he said.

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Has anyone of you heard of this $100k speaker? Are these magical? Just wondering...$100k speaker...Phew!!!

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And also the XD400. Really good prices. But I believe the seller is European (Greece?), despite the NJ address. What this means, I don't know...

A great opportunity for anyone inspired by the new firmware, I guess, if you dare...

The seller is in Croatia.


He's been advertising them on Audiogon for a long, long time. About a year I think. Same with the Contour S1.4 LE. He used to have a pair of C1 Signature that sat forever too. Originally, they were advertised as shipping from Croatia, so the buyer would be responsible for getting them through customs and paying the duty. Now he has an agent in NJ that would presumably handle it.


In addition to Audiogon, I've also seen him advertising the same speakers on audio-markt.de. He might be on other sites too.


I don't know what the story is with this seller. In some of his ads, he claims to be an authorized dealer. But if that's true, why is he offering new products at a deep discount, and why are they taking so long to sell? It seems fishy. Even if he's legit, this would be a gray market sale and don't expect any warranty support from Dynaudio. So buyer beware.
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Even if he's legit, this would be a gray market sale and don't expect any warranty support from Dynaudio.
tbh, grey market wouldn't be that big of a deal if they were passives, but when you have an amp, dac, and speaker all in one, there's a lot more to go wrong
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Otto. In the news on Dyn website about the software update it is mentioned you looked at and changed the psykoacoustics of the speaker. Could you elaborate in any way on what you changed? Im very curious

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I don't know what the story is with this seller. In some of his ads, he claims to be an authorized dealer. But if that's true, why is he offering new products at a deep discount, and why are they taking so long to sell? It seems fishy. Even if he's legit, this would be a gray market sale and don't expect any warranty support from Dynaudio. So buyer beware.
I routinely see scam ads in European sites, always for lower prices than used market value, normally on small classified lists.
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Otto. In the news on Dyn website about the software update it is mentioned you looked at and changed the psykoacoustics of the speaker. Could you elaborate in any way on what you changed? Im very curious
Well, I'm not sure I can go deeper into detail about the actual changes than I already have. What is meant by psycho-acoustics is how we as humans actually perceive sound, so it's not something that we have changed, but we have applied our knowledge on psycho-acoustics into the design, like we always do. I am not sure I am able to give you an example of a specific feature that was changed, mostly because the new tuning was made from scratch, not as an iterative process. But we have changed the weighting of various properties of the speaker, to create a sound that is perceived as more accurate by a human listener.

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Well, I'm not sure I can go deeper into detail about the actual changes than I already have. What is meant by psycho-acoustics is how we as humans actually perceive sound, so it's not something that we have changed, but we have applied our knowledge on psycho-acoustics into the design, like we always do. I am not sure I am able to give you an example of a specific feature that was changed, mostly because the new tuning was made from scratch, not as an iterative process. But we have changed the weighting of various properties of the speaker, to create a sound that is perceived as more accurate by a human listener.
Otto, do you mean that if you make a claim that after the upgrade certain things will be noticeable and the gullible will perceive this as the gospel when in fact nothing really changed.
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Now i can say I`M A PROUD OWNER OF 600XD!

It arrived today, i just hoocked up with the equipment I still have at home, more are coming.

So for now, no software update, no cable connection (wireless configuration) and a Squeezebos Touch as a source (also this one without a LPS). So, no review or or sound quality evaluation for now.

My living roos is still a mess, but the following picture shows it! Thank you all friends that gives me advices and their subjective analisys on SQ.

It has a potencial to get much better than what i heard today, and from time to time I plan to give my impressions here.


Best regards,
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Now i can say I`M A PROUD OWNER OF 600XD!

It arrived today, i just hoocked up with the equipment I still have at home, more are coming.

So for now, no software update, no cable connection (wireless configuration) and a Squeezebos Touch as a source (also this one without a LPS). So, no review or or sound quality evaluation for now.

My living roos is still a mess, but the following picture shows it! Thank you all friends that gives me advices and their subjective analisys on SQ.

It has a potencial to get much better than what i heard today, and from time to time I plan to give my impressions here.


Best regards,
Eduardo.
Congrats Eduardo,the update only takes about 5 minutes,and is available on the Dynaudio website under...support>firmware update>xd 600,just download it,it has an attached PDF file that walks you through it step by step.All you need it an empty USB thumb drive.Same color as mine too,nice!

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Were you trying to say the Contour was short supply? Anyhow, Yes They were indeed surprised byt the large demand of the new Contour but for my part there's a whole story about it and all I can say if Dyn USA would have been the unique distributor in NA like a few years ago i would have had my speaker A while back when they actually came out in the US.

Anyhow bottom line is the Rep that was working for the Canadian distributor back in may 2016 had never actually placed my order and new rep later found out and had sort all the problems out. He then placed the order himself but then became a waiting game as they had to wait for next shipment from Denmark and although they expected the Speakers end of feb beginning of march they must have stayed in transit for a while until they reached distributor and later my dealer.

Anyhow after 10 long months of wait time I finally got them Had them ordered when they actually presented them back in Munich.
Good news, I know it's been a painful wait! You need to post some pics.
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Good news, I know it's been a painful wait! You need to post some pics.
Soon as I have them Friday hopefully I have some time to get them.

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Today got around to trying my Taksim's in home theatre running off my Anthem MCA 50,and they sound fabulous.This means that I will be enjoying my xd 600's more often,as they will be staying put in my 2 channel room for a while,now I have to figure out if I really need an expensive pre-amp/power supply feeding them to hear their best,I may try and get my hands on some kind of music server for a demo,the good thing about having a pre in the chain though,is I can also run one of my subs if I feel the need.My shortlist of Music servers so far is Naim Core,but there are a lot of bugs to work out on this one,it is brand new,Melco N1a and Innous-Zenith.Any thoughts or other suggestions?

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Otto, do you mean that if you make a claim that after the upgrade certain things will be noticeable and the gullible will perceive this as the gospel when in fact nothing really changed.
Hehe, power of suggestion is certainly part of what you would call psycho-acoustics, but I believe we are actually doing the opposite - NOT telling you everything about how we design a speaker, for that exact reason... Many people have predetermined opinions on a lot of features and design choices. I have previously mentioned that principally we would prefer not to give any specs at all, however the market demands it. For instance, the difference in -3 dB points from the old to the new tuning of the 600 XD (now 60 XD), from 20 to 18 Hz, probably doesn't make any noticeable difference whatsoever to the sound. So the spec is in reality completely meaningless. However, the changes in the limiter/crompressor system makes very noticeable changes to the overall bass performance. The end result is that people will believe that they CAN hear the change from 20 to 18 Hz, because that's the only number we are giving them, so that's what they attribute the change to.

In any case, there's no way around that the XD's were significantly changed. The crossover points, slopes and types are new. Psychoacoustics or not, if you don't hear a change, you need to find a new hobby ;-)

In all seriousness, psychoacoustics is much more than how to cheat the listener. Psychoacoustics is for instance the explanation behind why you can get a perceived improvement or degradation of the bass response, by putting in a new tweeter. Physically the bass response did not change, but the way you experience bass is affected by how the other areas are presented. If you don't understand how making a change affects the overall subjective impression of the sound, and simply try to reach a theoretical optimum, you won't achieve the best sound. Here I have to stress that the opposite is also true, if you don't understand the theory behind what you are hearing, you are very unlikely to be able to reach the best performance. We believe the highest quality is achieved if you combine research and experience - not by giving up on one and focusing on the other.

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