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Yonson, sorry I missed you, quick couple of hours for me and I have a medical conference I am working in the morning. The Contour 60 where very good, not quite refined as the confidence line but one awesome sounding speakers! The 12th floor room was where they really shined, the smaller room the bass was too boomy, they definitely need room to breath. The Gray Oak was my favorite finish!
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Tiny room, F260 or e 12's & JL sub?

Hi, I have a very tiny room- about 7 1/2 feet x 12 feet. Right now I have dynaudio exite 12 speakers. They fill the room. Love them for classical and folk, but am missing the bass for everything else. Bass seems muted to me. I'm wondering if I should try to get a used pair of focus 260's or maybe a small JL sub- like the e-110. Or if anyone has other suggestions... I like the idea of the focus 260's, but am wondering if I'd even be able to hear them in such a small room.

Are there any other small subs which have the clairity of the JL's? I haven't heard them yet, but I was fussy in a showroom and they were recommended. I didn't like the RELs etc.

I have a parasound 2100 preamp and 2125 amp. Old Bel Canto DAC2 and an old Sony ES 5 disc player.
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Hi, I have a very tiny room- about 7 1/2 feet x 12 feet. Right now I have dynaudio exite 12 speakers. They fill the room. Love them for classical and folk, but am missing the bass for everything else. Bass seems muted to me. I'm wondering if I should try to get a used pair of focus 260's or maybe a small JL sub- like the e-110. Or if anyone has other suggestions... I like the idea of the focus 260's, but am wondering if I'd even be able to hear them in such a small room.

Are there any other small subs which have the clairity of the JL's? I haven't heard them yet, but I was fussy in a showroom and they were recommended. I didn't like the RELs etc.

I have a parasound 2100 preamp and 2125 amp. Old Bel Canto DAC2 and an old Sony ES 5 disc player.
I have the excite 12's playing right now in my 2 channel set up,my room is bigger though (11x13) and at one time i brought up one of my fathom 112's from home theater to try here with them...it was fantastic,plenty of chest thumping bass,and the fathom is easy to set up/blend with the excite's.I would think the E-110 might be just what you need,great subs,that you can always use for home theater,or 2 channel,now if you go with the focus 260's,you run the risk of them NOT working in that small space,but i would think they might be ok,there are plenty of 260 fans here that will probably give you their thoughts,myself,i would get the sub.
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I have the excite 12's playing right now in my 2 channel set up,my room is bigger though (11x13) and at one time i brought up one of my fathom 112's from home theater to try here with them...it was fantastic,plenty of chest thumping bass,and the fathom is easy to set up/blend with the excite's.I would think the E-110 might be just what you need,great subs,that you can always use for home theater,or 2 channel,now if you go with the focus 260's,you run the risk of them NOT working in that small space,but i would think they might be ok,there are plenty of 260 fans here that will probably give you their thoughts,myself,i would get the sub.
Totally agree with you NQ, had my X-12 a while back with the F113 and that was fantastic and indeed the advantage of having a sub is you can always tune it and eq it so it sounds right and the E- sub can certainly be a nice complement to the X-12 as well. Considering room size of the OP, I would also go that route.
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Hi, I have a very tiny room- about 7 1/2 feet x 12 feet. Right now I have dynaudio exite 12 speakers. They fill the room. Love them for classical and folk, but am missing the bass for everything else. Bass seems muted to me. I'm wondering if I should try to get a used pair of focus 260's or maybe a small JL sub- like the e-110. Or if anyone has other suggestions... I like the idea of the focus 260's, but am wondering if I'd even be able to hear them in such a small room.

Are there any other small subs which have the clairity of the JL's? I haven't heard them yet, but I was fussy in a showroom and they were recommended. I didn't like the RELs etc.

I have a parasound 2100 preamp and 2125 amp. Old Bel Canto DAC2 and an old Sony ES 5 disc player.
Your room is too small for F260s in my opinion. They need 24" from the back wall and they will probably overload your room too much unless it's heavily dampened with acoustic treatments and bass traps. I'd suggest either a sub or the Excite X34s. The 34s produce good bass and are easier to place.

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Hi, I have a very tiny room- about 7 1/2 feet x 12 feet. Right now I have dynaudio exite 12 speakers. They fill the room. Love them for classical and folk, but am missing the bass for everything else. Bass seems muted to me. I'm wondering if I should try to get a used pair of focus 260's or maybe a small JL sub- like the e-110. Or if anyone has other suggestions... I like the idea of the focus 260's, but am wondering if I'd even be able to hear them in such a small room.

Are there any other small subs which have the clairity of the JL's? I haven't heard them yet, but I was fussy in a showroom and they were recommended. I didn't like the RELs etc.

I have a parasound 2100 preamp and 2125 amp. Old Bel Canto DAC2 and an old Sony ES 5 disc player.

Can't comment of these particular speakers (was a former Dynaudio owner-miss them sometimes) but the JL subs are fantastic. They don't get a lot of love here as it's an ID world now for subs due to their price but I say they are worth every penny.


I'm using the Dominion D-110 in my bedroom and I love it. It's the perfect size for a bedroom or smaller space. I bet the e series might be better yet but I would not be afraid to try the Dominion first and see what you think. I run the Fathom 112 v2 in my living room moving from a REL and I would not trade it for anything. Now I just need a second. These things are built like tanks, smaller form factor, attractive and easy to set-up.


Here is a pic of the Dominion for size in 10. The e-series is the same size I believe. Perfect for smaller space or a bedroom.


I use mine with Sonus Faber Venere in the bedroom. You can see how not in the way it is. Great pairing and really easy to blend in.


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Just came back from AXPONA. Thanks John, Chris and George. It was nice meeting you. Chris/ George- Do let us know what all other speakers and amps you heard.

So finally heard the C60s. Promusica messed them up by powering them with some tubes and vinyl and their room was small so not a good sound.

Then went to Joseph Audio Video and Quintessence Audio and hell yes...the C60s sound amazing. Joseph had them paired with Mark Levinson and Quintessence had them with Moon Audio power amps. Amazing clarity and bass was as tight as it could have been. Vocals were not sharp and balanced highs & mids. Will let others comment but I loved the sound of it and their sound stage was nice. But they are BIG speakers. You need to have a big room to get the best out of them and some good power to get that amazing sound. And the grey oak finish is really nice.
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I have the excite 12's playing right now in my 2 channel set up,my room is bigger though (11x13) and at one time i brought up one of my fathom 112's from home theater to try here with them...it was fantastic,plenty of chest thumping bass,and the fathom is easy to set up/blend with the excite's.I would think the E-110 might be just what you need,great subs,that you can always use for home theater,or 2 channel,now if you go with the focus 260's,you run the risk of them NOT working in that small space,but i would think they might be ok,there are plenty of 260 fans here that will probably give you their thoughts,myself,i would get the sub.

Thanks No Quarter. I'm going to check out a small prototype sub of another brand a guy has, if the highway ever opens- on going big slide here. It was a test build- hand made at the factory. He used it as a display model, he says excellent accuracy, but he's moving to a bigger room. If that doesn't sound clear enough I'll try and check out the e-110's. I'm more into clarity and precision than chest thumping though. Years ago I had a hand made prototype guitar - very cheap brand, but the prototype sounded as good as a high grade 60's Martin Marquis. So- we'll see (or hear).

Did you do any improvements to your room's walls to get a good sound? I'm getting a lot of high end fuzz or confusion with the sound bouncing off the walls. A little murky. It's like setting up in a closet...
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Just came back from AXPONA. Thanks John, Chris and George. It was nice meeting you. Chris/ George- Do let us know what all other speakers and amps you heard.

So finally heard the C60s. Promusica messed them up by powering them with some tubes and vinyl and their room was small so not a good sound.

Then went to Joseph Audio Video and Quintessence Audio and hell yes...the C60s sound amazing. Joseph had them paired with Mark Levinson and Quintessence had them with Moon Audio power amps. Amazing clarity and bass was as tight as it could have been. Vocals were not sharp and balanced highs & mids. Will let others comment but I loved the sound of it and their sound stage was nice. But they are BIG speakers. You need to have a big room to get the best out of them and some good power to get that amazing sound. And the grey oak finish is really nice.
Good time!! Great meeting you and your wife. The C60's in the grey oak would be awesome, very nice speaker!! They definitely need room to breathe. Need to get together again when Tyler opens his store.

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Gar it was great to see you and Aaron again. BTW did you mean Bluvette?
Great seeing both of you guys as well, and Yes to your question! I got a Belles Aria Pre/Amp playing right now and man it is very good, I think Aaron has been on to something with the combo of Dynaudio and "Belles" gear that's for sure! Now if I was going to get a new pair of Contours I would be going for the Gray Oak, pretty stunning looking!

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Just came back from AXPONA. Thanks John, Chris and George. It was nice meeting you. Chris/ George- Do let us know what all other speakers and amps you heard.

So finally heard the C60s. Promusica messed them up by powering them with some tubes and vinyl and their room was small so not a good sound.

Then went to Joseph Audio Video and Quintessence Audio and hell yes...the C60s sound amazing. Joseph had them paired with Mark Levinson and Quintessence had them with Moon Audio power amps. Amazing clarity and bass was as tight as it could have been. Vocals were not sharp and balanced highs & mids. Will let others comment but I loved the sound of it and their sound stage was nice. But they are BIG speakers. You need to have a big room to get the best out of them and some good power to get that amazing sound. And the grey oak finish is really nice.
I agree, they sounded much better on the 12th Floor, where I saw Mike from Dynaudio! They sounded pretty damn good in the Quintessence room, I agree need a bigger room with those bigger bass drivers I think might take away from the clarity of the Esotar2, but they still sounded pretty damn good and I am sure none of those pairs are even close to being broke in yet. Still liked the sound of the Raidho D1.1s, it would have been nice to hear those two side by side, but I guess I will have to make a trip too Tyler's new place for that!

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The first C60's I heard was in the Pro Musica room and thought they sounded horrible. To me the mids and highs sounded a bit muffled while the lows were boomy and muddy. IMO the C60's didn't even sound like Dyn's. In the 3 years I've gone to Axpona I don't think Pro Musica ever had a good sounding room. The Joseph Audio room was the same size and the C60's sounded great. So totally different. Then the icing on the cake was in Quintessence Audio room. A much larger room but I was a little shocked to see them toed in as much as they were. I stood in the back so the off axis sound was really good.
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The first C60's I heard was in the Pro Musica room and thought they sounded horrible. To me the mids and highs sounded a bit muffled while the lows were boomy and muddy. IMO the C60's didn't even sound like Dyn's. In the 3 years I've gone to Axpona I don't think Pro Musica ever had a good sounding room. The Joseph Audio room was the same size and the C60's sounded great. So totally different. Then the icing on the cake was in Quintessence Audio room. A much larger room but I was a little shocked to see them toed in as much as they were. I stood in the back so the off axis sound was really good.
You summed it up perfectly!! I could not agree more. I feel a great bang for the buck here, just need the right size room for them to breathe.
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George: Spot on, the Promusica room with Dynaudio hasn't sounded that good since I been going to Axpona, especially with the combo music and size of room they picked, they would have been much better off with a pair of Contour 20's or 30's in that room... I must say the XT-1 and D1.1 sounded very good (as usual, but Lars and Tyler know how to set a room up that's for sure!) . The room that took me by surprise was Bob Carvers new Speakers...(last pic) I was pretty wowed over by them, and a few others at the show... The Ryan speakers sounded very pleasing too my ears, plus "Needle Doctor" had a pair of Dali speakers (Another good Danish company) paired up with Rogue Audio which was equally as pleasing. Here are a few pics, the Naim gear I give a huge thumbs up to on the new looks and decent sound, just hope their retail prices are fixed! LOL Pass Gear as always was awesome looking and sounding stuff, anyone looking for his gear also check out "FirstWatt" as the sound is very similar for a lot less $$$.

A huge shout out too Aaron for making me such a great stand for my equipment and for the new Belles Aria Pre/Amp that is now sitting in my system, now I know why you have these custom built USA equipment in your system, pretty remarkable sounding, one of the better pre/amps I have heard for the money to date! Just wish I had more time to spend at Axpona, but between it being too crowed for my taste and not having a s h i t load of more funds to spend on toys, it was best served quickly this year.
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You summed it up perfectly!! I could not agree more. I feel a great bang for the buck here, just need the right size room for them to breathe.
I was glad to see and hear 2 other rooms with the C60's because if Pro Musica was the only room there I would think Dynaudio C60's totally suck. Also if I didn't already know how good Dyn's are I would NEVER give them a second thought. When I saw Mike on the 12th floor I should have suggested paying Pro Musica not to show up anymore. Honestly the Joseph audio room was the same but they sure sounded great there.
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George: Spot on, the Promusica room with Dynaudio hasn't sounded that good since I been going to Axpona, especially with the combo music and size of room they picked, they would have been much better off with a pair of Contour 20's or 30's in that room... I must say the XT-1 and D1.1 sounded very good (as usual, but Lars and Tyler know how to set a room up that's for sure!) . The room that took me by surprise was Bob Carvers new Speakers...(last pic) I was pretty wowed over by them, and a few others at the show... The Ryan speakers sounded very pleasing too my ears, plus "Needle Doctor" had a pair of Dali speakers (Another good Danish company) paired up with Rogue Audio which was equally as pleasing. Here are a few pics, the Naim gear I give a huge thumbs up to on the new looks and decent sound, just hope their retail prices are fixed! LOL Pass Gear as always was awesome looking and sounding stuff, anyone looking for his gear also check out "FirstWatt" as the sound is very similar for a lot less $$$.

A huge shout out too Aaron for making me such a great stand for my equipment and for the new Belles Aria Pre/Amp that is now sitting in my system, now I know why you have these custom built USA equipment in your system, pretty remarkable sounding, one of the better pre/amps I have heard for the money to date! Just wish I had more time to spend at Axpona, but between it being too crowed for my taste and not having a s h i t load of more funds to spend on toys, it was best served quickly this year.
Garman: When we went to Quintessence room, they had powered the C60s with SimAudio 860A power amp. But nevertheless they were sounding absolutely fantastic. C60s need bigger room and more power to shine. Period. :-)
I also loved the Aavik amps with D1 and MB5...sort of magical stuff.
Did you get to hear Magico? They were absolute stunning. Last year Magico wasn't as good but this year they had amazing setup.
Ryan were not as good as last time. Last year they had ModWright components powering them but this year they had only Auralic Polaris integrated amp+DAC+streamer (for just $3500) but somehow it didn't do justice to the speakers.
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