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Who cares what Mick says. It's all politics. Do you think he would ever say something different? He works for the company.

Sorry....if you own 15%, you are no longer the man. Not even close.

This has happened to tons of American companies as well and even when they are producing flat out crap and running a great reputation into the ground, they will tell you quality hasn't changed.
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You don't know Mick.
You have little understanding of how Dyn actually works.
I don't post much anymore because of people like you. What the F**k do you know. Oh sorry, you know everything.
It's late at night for me. If you have rebuttals, I will address those in the AM.
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Hey guys,

Cool it about a Chinese concern buying Dynaudio.

I just got a call from Mick Tillman(Dynalunatic). I didn't know that this transaction had happened until he told me about it until about an hour ago.

This Chinese guy was so enamored with the company, he bought it. He couldn't believe how efficient the production was. He wants everything to remain the same. He wants production and R&D to remain in Denmark.

Even though Dyn has done well through this world-wide recession, this is an infusion of capital to do even better things. I Hope.

Borderdog

Thanks for putting things in perspective, as the initial shock of a company that touted for years being a Danish company and everything being made in Denmark which is rare these days. I hope your right.......

Mr. SoftDome: You should have anything wrong with Classe products even though they are built in China, many companies do this and it works as they have to be built via the specs that is. But when fake products start being made and they are on a regular basis things start to get way out of hand.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19742...erfeiting.html <<<<<<< Pretty funny as there were 22 fake Apple stores in China at one time. LOL

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Focus 340 Opinions

Hey All, noob to this forum, and looking for some opinions.

I've had a pair of Focus 110A's for a few years now and have loved them from day 1, but my system has gradually migrated from a desktop setup to a large listening room (25' x 32') and I'm thinking it's time to go super gangster with some floor standers.

Today I demoed these speakers at a local dealer: X34, Focus 260, Focus 340, Confidence C2. Originally, I went in most interested in the X34 (mainly due to the price point), but I came away unimpressed with the X34's. They were ok, but sounded smaller and less "full-bodied" than my 110A's. Next, I listened to the 260's. These sounded more similar to the 110A's, but with a slightly bigger sound and lower end. Then I listened to the 340's and within 30 seconds I was in love. They had a classic fuller tone, but still really detailed, and they really stood out as the sound that appeals to me. I threw 2 full CD's of rock, jazz, vocals, etc. at them and the 340's handled everything well. After the 340's, I gave the C2's a brief spin, even though they are price prohibitive. The C2's certainly had the most detailed, articulate sound. I could see where audiophiles would value their accurate and neutral reproduction, but I found myself going back to the 340's.

So my questions..
I would need to get a decent amp to power them, but how much power do the 340's really need to stand out? I was listening to them on a $10K Bryston amp that obviously had gorilla balls of power, but I can't swing that for an amp. The dealer was recommending a good amount of power with some NAD integrated amp options, including the 390DD, and the 375BEE, and as a cost compromise as 356BEE. I'm not familiar with NAD at all. Other amp suggestions?

How do the 340's perform with tubes in the input stage? I've been running my 110A's off a Schiit Valhalla tube preamp and it sounds good, and with minimal tube coloration from the Valhalla. I've been drooling over the gorgeous Decware tube amps for a while now, but I don't want to compromise optimal speaker performance for some pretty glowing tubes.

After the 340's, I went back and gave the 260's another listen. I could probably be happy with those, because I think they would sound bigger and more 340-like in my larger listening room and with more power, than the smallish room I demoed them in. So that would be my cost compromise option, if I need to spend major coin on amplification. But man...those 340's...
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Boozer46: I have the C2 (Originals) and still love their sound, the newer Focus line is very good and I think you would be extremely happy with any of them, there are a few on here that have had both the 160 and 260 so I am sure they will chime in. If your looking at good Amp/Int. Amp etc.. Look at the newer NAD Master series is some pretty sweet stuff but the new 390DD has gotten rave reviews as well. Naim/Musical Fidelity are a few others that mate well with Dynaudio. Always put speaker first/room acoustics and then equipment, decent Amplification is well needed... NAD Newer Master Series is getting some rave reviews lately but I have had good luck with Musical Fidelity as I am sure others will have suggestions.
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Forget about the drivers, its the Danish wood workings that got me hooked.
Rob as nice as the Dynaudio cabinets are they could be better. I say that because as you know I had the C1 Sig's. After upgrading to the Raidho D1's in Walnut I have to say the Raidho have much less 'orange peel' in the clear coat along with a smoother finish. Turns out Raidho cabinets are made in China. I met Lars Kristensen after the RMAF and he explained that certain chemicals have been outlawed in Denmark and they moved the cabinet making to China where the chemicals are OK to use. That said he also mentioned they found some very skilled craftsmen to make their cabinets at a much lower labor rate. All else is made and assembled in Denmark.

All I can say is this move could help keep costs in check and bring higher quality finish in the cabinets.
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Hey All, noob to this forum, and looking for some opinions.

I've had a pair of Focus 110A's for a few years now and have loved them from day 1, but my system has gradually migrated from a desktop setup to a large listening room (25' x 32') and I'm thinking it's time to go super gangster with some floor standers.

Today I demoed these speakers at a local dealer: X34, Focus 260, Focus 340, Confidence C2. Originally, I went in most interested in the X34 (mainly due to the price point), but I came away unimpressed with the X34's. They were ok, but sounded smaller and less "full-bodied" than my 110A's. Next, I listened to the 260's. These sounded more similar to the 110A's, but with a slightly bigger sound and lower end. Then I listened to the 340's and within 30 seconds I was in love. They had a classic fuller tone, but still really detailed, and they really stood out as the sound that appeals to me. I threw 2 full CD's of rock, jazz, vocals, etc. at them and the 340's handled everything well. After the 340's, I gave the C2's a brief spin, even though they are price prohibitive. The C2's certainly had the most detailed, articulate sound. I could see where audiophiles would value their accurate and neutral reproduction, but I found myself going back to the 340's.

So my questions..
I would need to get a decent amp to power them, but how much power do the 340's really need to stand out? I was listening to them on a $10K Bryston amp that obviously had gorilla balls of power, but I can't swing that for an amp. The dealer was recommending a good amount of power with some NAD integrated amp options, including the 390DD, and the 375BEE, and as a cost compromise as 356BEE. I'm not familiar with NAD at all. Other amp suggestions?

How do the 340's perform with tubes in the input stage? I've been running my 110A's off a Schiit Valhalla tube preamp and it sounds good, and with minimal tube coloration from the Valhalla. I've been drooling over the gorgeous Decware tube amps for a while now, but I don't want to compromise optimal speaker performance for some pretty glowing tubes.

After the 340's, I went back and gave the 260's another listen. I could probably be happy with those, because I think they would sound bigger and more 340-like in my larger listening room and with more power, than the smallish room I demoed them in. So that would be my cost compromise option, if I need to spend major coin on amplification. But man...those 340's...
I'd go back to the dealer and have him put the 260s in the same room/setup as the 340s and listen again for giggles. $2600 price difference may or may not be a lot to you.

As for "cheaper" amplification, go get out the Wyred4Sound ST-1000 MkII for $2K. You could then like add a NAIM NAC 202/252/282 pre to this amp and still come out less than the Bryston IMO. Just an idea. Or find a Bryston Pre.

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Boozer46: I have the C2 (Originals) and still love their sound, the newer Focus line is very good and I think you would be extremely happy with any of them, there are a few on here that have had both the 160 and 260 so I am sure they will chime in. If your looking at good Amp/Int. Amp etc.. Look at the newer NAD Master series is some pretty sweet stuff but the new 390DD has gotten rave reviews as well. Naim/Musical Fidelity are a few others that mate well with Dynaudio. Always put speaker first/room acoustics and then equipment, decent Amplification is well needed... NAD Newer Master Series is getting some rave reviews lately but I have had good luck with Musical Fidelity as I am sure others will have suggestions.
Thanks Garman, I will look at the Naim/Musical Fidelity lines. The NAD master series is probably beyond my price tolerance for amplification at the moment but to be honest I have been focused more so on the speakers and not so much on the power behind them but I know that certainly factors in.

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I'd go back to the dealer and have him put the 260s in the same room/setup as the 340s and listen again for giggles. $2600 price difference may or may not be a lot to you.
Yes, I thought about this as well. Listening to the 260's in a smaller room and running off a smaller Bel Canto amp may not be a fair comparison to the 340's and the monster Bryston powering them. I may see if the dealer is willing to put them both in the same setup and with one of the NAD amps. BTW, the dealer has a demo pair of both the 260's and 340's, and the price diff is $1k, so that certainly makes the 340 more attractive. At full retail, I probably would not be looking at the 340's otherwise.
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Thanks Garman, I will look at the Naim/Musical Fidelity lines. The NAD master series is probably beyond my price tolerance for amplification at the moment but to be honest I have been focused more so on the speakers and not so much on the power behind them but I know that certainly factors in.



Yes, I thought about this as well. Listening to the 260's in a smaller room and running off a smaller Bel Canto amp may not be a fair comparison to the 340's and the monster Bryston powering them. I may see if the dealer is willing to put them both in the same setup and with one of the NAD amps. BTW, the dealer has a demo pair of both the 260's and 340's, and the price diff is $1k, so that certainly makes the 340 more attractive. At full retail, I probably would not be looking at the 340's otherwise.

Well your heading in the right direction if your focused more on speakers as it should be that way, plus don't forget you can get some pretty nice Amplification on the used Market at a reduced cost.

Example: and there are a ton of others

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/sol...20-integrateds
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Well, I bought a Oppo 105D mostly for my HT and video needs as I am looking at 4K down the road (far). But I must say this piece is pretty amazing as I hooked it up directly to my Dynaudio C2 last night and was blown away! Many of you know I been looking for a computer or device to make that final leap into just listening via a music server and computer and I have been doing that some time via my iMac but just when I am sitting down in my office and it's what in front of me, not really my quality but decent. In my office I am using a Denon Receiver AVR-1712 and 5 Gallo Speakers and a sub, but not real 2 Channel Chi-Fi Exit stage right and I order this 105D and it plays everything I throw at it, I took half of my iTunes folders slapped them on a Hard Drive and plugged them into the back of the Oppo and bingo played everything with no ticks or thuds or weird noises etc.. So far this is the best device I have boughten in years and I haven't even begun to look at the video yet, I am tempted to by another one, it's that good on Audio and of course my C2s never sounded better!

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Garman, you need a separate high quality DAC with that Oppo.
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LOL, I think the Sabre Dac in it will do just fine!
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Thanks Garman, I will look at the Naim/Musical Fidelity lines. The NAD master series is probably beyond my price tolerance for amplification at the moment but to be honest I have been focused more so on the speakers and not so much on the power behind them but I know that certainly factors in.



Yes, I thought about this as well. Listening to the 260's in a smaller room and running off a smaller Bel Canto amp may not be a fair comparison to the 340's and the monster Bryston powering them. I may see if the dealer is willing to put them both in the same setup and with one of the NAD amps. BTW, the dealer has a demo pair of both the 260's and 340's, and the price diff is $1k, so that certainly makes the 340 more attractive. At full retail, I probably would not be looking at the 340's otherwise.
The only Dynaudio floorstanders I have heard are the 260s and Xeo5. Neither have a dedicated mid-range driver. I too would love to hear the 260 vs. 340, all things being equal. I know Callas has heard both. But given only a $1K price diff, the 340s are pretty tangible. For me, I had tell the wife (to get approval) that the 260s would have the same physical footprint as the 160s (with Stand6 stands). The 340s would not be possible for me given present living situation and her preferences.

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But we need not worry as we already have the best monitor they've produced.
These being the Special 25s?

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Well your heading in the right direction if your focused more on speakers as it should be that way, plus don't forget you can get some pretty nice Amplification on the used Market at a reduced cost.

Example: and there are a ton of others
Thanks again, I'll do some research on amp options in the used market. Last night, I was looking at the new Schiit Ragnarok integrated, since the brand is familiar to me already and I like the made in USA aspect. (can't link to it due to my low post count).
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The only Dynaudio floorstanders I have heard are the 260s and Xeo5. Neither have a dedicated mid-range driver. I too would love to hear the 260 vs. 340, all things being equal. I know Callas has heard both. But given only a $1K price diff, the 340s are pretty tangible. For me, I had tell the wife (to get approval) that the 260s would have the same physical footprint as the 160s (with Stand6 stands). The 340s would not be possible for me given present living situation and her preferences.
My wife won't be crazy about new floorstanders in the living room either, that's why I need to buy them before she gets back from vacation next Tuesday. She'll eventually get over it once I tell her I only paid $300 for them.

I felt the midrange addition in the 340 made a big difference and helped balance out the noticeably deeper bottom end they had over the 260. If I were to go with the 260, I'd couple them with my sub. Do you run a sub with yours?
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Boozer46: I am with you on USA/Europe even Japanese made these days. I love the title of this: http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/20...rt-beach-2014/

New pieces of schiit, love their product but their name needs to change! LOL I think it would do well with the Dynaudio, depending what the unit does into a 4ohm load.

http://schiit.com/products/ragnarok <<<<<< Nice looking and simplistic which I like, I would also give a listen to Rogue Audio as well as there Metis Pre/Amp and any decent Amp combo was very good as well, built in PA!
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My wife won't be crazy about new floorstanders in the living room either, that's why I need to buy them before she gets back from vacation next Tuesday. She'll eventually get over it once I tell her I only paid $300 for them.

I felt the midrange addition in the 340 made a big difference and helped balance out the noticeably deeper bottom end they had over the 260. If I were to go with the 260, I'd couple them with my sub. Do you run a sub with yours?
No, not at the moment.

I would encourage you to listen to the 260s in the 'other' room and switch back-and-forth the 340s and report back.

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Boozer46: I am with you on USA/Europe even Japanese made these days. I love the title of this: http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/20...rt-beach-2014/

New pieces of schiit, love their product but their name needs to change! LOL I think it would do well with the Dynaudio, depending what the unit does into a 4ohm load.

http://schiit.com/products/ragnarok <<<<<< Nice looking and simplistic which I like, I would also give a listen to Rogue Audio as well as there Metis Pre/Amp and any decent Amp combo was very good as well, built in PA!
I've been keeping my eye on Schiit for a while. They seem to have a really good reputation in the circles I follow, especially for producing products with a lot of bang/buck. My next DAC may very well be the Gungnir.

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Rob as nice as the Dynaudio cabinets are they could be better. ................
That said he also mentioned they found some very skilled craftsmen to make their cabinets at a much lower labor rate. All else is made and assembled in Denmark.

All I can say is this move could help keep costs in check and bring higher quality finish in the cabinets.

Out with the old in with the new.

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These being the Special 25s?
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OctaDyn_Dude: The Dynaudio cabinets could be better? Sorry but I think they make the best cabinets out their and if you think they are going to be made better in China, good luck with that one. I guess the Danish Craftsman woodworkers are all going to train these new guys and they be handed their severance checks... lol Sorry but this kind of BS is getting old, I agree it could keep cost down, but that can be BS as well as most owners/CEOs have lost to will to be civilized these days! American/European companies still keep the cost up and just reap much larger profits.

Rob80b: Love the pictures, that looks like a Contour 1.8 MKII which was a very well rounded speaker from the Contour line, back then.

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OctaDyn_Dude: The Dynaudio cabinets could be better? Sorry but I think they make the best cabinets out their and if you think they are going to be made better in China, good luck with that one. I guess the Danish Craftsman woodworkers are all going to train these new guys and they be handed their severance checks... lol Sorry but this kind of BS is getting old, I agree it could keep cost down, but that can be BS as well as most owners/CEOs have lost to will to be civilized these days! American/European companies still keep the cost up and just reap much larger profits.

Rob80b: Love the pictures, that looks like a Contour 1.8 MKII which was a very well rounded speaker from the Contour line, back then.
Garnet after owning Mocha C1's and seeing other C4's and Sapphires in high gloss they are nice cabinets but not the best. Like I said the 'orange peel' is very noticeable and thin. Also if Dynaudio had to change to waterbased clearcoats the Chinese have the potential to have a nicer finish. You really need to see some Ho's and you will see what I'm talking about.

As far as keeping costs down it probably means keeping the price the same but more profit for the owners.
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Yup.....unless YOU want to argue with Borderdog.
Me, argue...LOL

Yes, the 25's are the best monitor out there; especially at their price.
I do love the C1's, but overall they can't do what the 25's do.

But, this is a big but, you need a large enough room to accommodate them. Giving them proper source and amplification, they will outperform most floor standers.
Aside from their quirks, they are the most fun speakers I've ever had; even after all these years, they still surprise me with their capabilities.

I'm after a pair of C2's, but I'll never sell my 25's.

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Have seen this so many times. Coming from a manufacturing background as soon as the bean counters get involved cheaper parts, quality means nothing, only profits. They will reap then go out of business. look at Mirage speaker, a Canadian company sold to Klipsch, moved manufacturing to China, cheap parts, reap, now out of business. I will never buy another pair of Dyn's again, when the upgrade bug bites goodbye C4's hello Ho's! JMHO
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Have seen this so many times. Coming from a manufacturing background as soon as the bean counters get involved cheaper parts, quality means nothing, only profits. They will reap then go out of business. look at Mirage speaker, a Canadian company sold to Klipsch, moved manufacturing to China, cheap parts, reap, now out of business. I will never buy another pair of Dyn's again, when the upgrade bug bites goodbye C4's hello Ho's! JMHO
You have some good points, and I am with you on the manufacturing end, the whole Global economy eventually benefits the companies that want higher profits and don't want to share anything, which is the new staple these days! I am glad Magnepan is still made in the USA, and they make a killer product. It compares in some ways to Dynaudio and not so much, but when you get up to the 1.7/3.7 and 20.. you get a pretty darn good speaker for the money.

Octa: I haven't seen a good speaker or heard one yet from a Chinese only company. Sure they builded stuff to specs for many other companies, they like stealing ideas not creating there own, hopefully that will change some day.
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Have seen this so many times. Coming from a manufacturing background as soon as the bean counters get involved cheaper parts, quality means nothing, only profits. They will reap then go out of business. look at Mirage speaker, a Canadian company sold to Klipsch, moved manufacturing to China, cheap parts, reap, now out of business. I will never buy another pair of Dyn's again, when the upgrade bug bites goodbye C4's hello Ho's! JMHO
Hey John you do know the Ho's cabinets are made in China.
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You really need to see some Ho's and you will see what I'm talking about.
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