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Otto,

Listening to the Focus XD400 and my Naim Uniti2 / Focus 260s I found the XDs voicing to be closer to the Confidence line, but all the other subjective sounds to be very close to the same. Comparing these 2 they are very similarly priced and performance was about the same. I think the passive line is a little more tipped up sounding in the lower treble more along the lines of the S25 or Sapphire, but otherwise, bass response, details, soundstage layout, were very similar.


Maybe you could shed some light on another topic thats been floating around? Are the passive Focus speakers being discontinued? If so, will we see a replacement? Or will it just be lost? From my understanding the Focus line has been the biggest seller since its introduction, so why would you kill it off?

Lastly, will we be seeing a 40th anniversary product?
Callas,did you have a home demo with the xd 400's?I was wondering if you tried them for just 2 channel... Or in your 5.1 setup too.One of the things I really like about the xd's is they work really well in 2 channel and 7.1 too.Also i don't worry about the drivers popping when I crank it up

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Thanks (both of you). I only recently started working for Dynaudio, although I have been a dealer for around 15 years, so I have experience with the products. That is why you won't have seen the Dynaudio name in my signature thus far. My older posts mostly have to do with my background as a video calibrator, and most are several years back, so they won't be of much relevance. I'll do what I can to keep in touch with this thread, and chime in whenever it feels relevant, without interfering too much with your discussions :-)


Let me say first that I'm perfectly fine with opposing views on what constitutes a good system. That's why we have more than one model, after all. And yes we will continue to offer great passive speakers! We do believe that the best sound-per-dollar is found in our active systems, but we fully understand the reasons to choose a system including passive speakers. That said, it doesn't mean that all active speakers are inherently good, and all passive speakers are inherently bad. We shouldn't underestimate the fact that there are a lot of speaker designers with decades of experience with passive crossovers, and they won't necessarily be able to create a good active speaker. I believe that is part of the reason why an upgrade from passive to active doesn't always yield better results. I do believe that if it doesn't, it is because the active system was implemented poorly though. The proof is in the pudding - what matters is the overall sound quality that reaches your ears in the end. And if you compare a Xeo to a similar Excite with good electronics (which would be more expensive), or Focus XD to a similar passive Focus, I think very few will disagree that the active version sounds better. But again yes, there are very valid reasons to stick with a passive setup.


We certainly don't believe that hi-res audio isn't an improvement, and this is why the Focus XD supports 192 kHz. But every decision when designing a product has benefits and drawbacks. Yes downsampling degrades sound quality - but so does a passive filter. One isn't inherently worse than the other, they're different. The fact is that the degradation from downsampling hi-res to 48 kHz is, globally, not that big. If we went with higher-grade electronics, we would have to skimp on the drivers to keep the price point, and then the end result would sound worse, even at 96 or 192 kHz. Sticking at 48 kHz actually helps us deliver a better sound quality at the given price point. A passive setup with a 192 kHz DAC in the end isn't actually truer to the source, it just has a different flavor of drawbacks. I hope this makes sense.


Now, why 48 and not 44.1? There are several reasons for this, but again it has to do with benefits and drawbacks, and one isn't by definition better than the other. 44.1 would degrade most hi-res material more than 48. There are other arguments to be made, this is just to give an example.


I don't agree that the analog input on the Focus XD is a contradiction. It is simply an added usability feature, it's not there to serve as an upgrade path. It makes the XD usable for instance with AV processors that mostly only have analog outputs. But to get the best sound from a Focus XD with digital sources, you should be using the coax RCA digital input. That is the shortest signal path. The analog input is converted to digital, which is a necessity since the amplifiers are digital. If you're a purist and want a true analog signal path, I guess it's just not the speaker for you. We're perfectly fine with that, we have a full lineup of passive models for you :-)
Ottoj: Welcome, I been a Dynaudio fan for some time, and heard the Focus XD at Axpona in Chicago liked them a lot but not nearly as much as the C2 Confidence Platinum so I traded my older originals in for them right now just using a Oppo 105D for a music server/Dac with decent results but I am about ready to try out a Hegel HD12 I just picked up hoping it improves on Redbook CDs side. So far not bad! I also have a mint pair of Contour 1.3MKII I bring out for some decent monitor listening.
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callas almost took my question for Otto... or should we call him Mr. J?

Question: will the S40 speaker be active or passive?
You might as well get used to me copy/pasting: "I can't comment on unannounced products" :-)

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Interesting with a Dyn person here. And thanks to you Otto for making it official and not just lurking here. Now we know you might be a little "biased" . But I mean that in a good way.

So I'll try with a more open question.. Does anyone know if Dynaudio is planning an active speaker with a more special design and/or finish like the Confidence line. I like the XD sound but I do NOT like the look of them and the finish.

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Interesting with a Dyn person here. And thanks to you Otto for making it official and not just lurking here. Now we know you might be a little "biased" . But I mean that in a good way.

So I'll try with a more open question.. Does anyone know if Dynaudio is planning an active speaker with a more special design and/or finish like the Confidence line. I like the XD sound but I do NOT like the look of them and the finish.
He can't comment!!! LOL

But think about it: Dynaudio felt that the case for the Xeo was there and then they brought similar tech to XD. The problem I see is that the XD 600 almost competes on price with the Confidence C2 Platinum. So if they "XD" the Contour and/or Confidence line, the price would be pretty high up there.

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Who here has done extensive auditioning of the XD 400 and 600, side-by-side? Can anyone comment on their differences?

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He can't comment!!! LOL

But think about it: Dynaudio felt that the case for the Xeo was there and then they brought similar tech to XD. The problem I see is that the XD 600 almost competes on price with the Confidence C2 Platinum. So if they "XD" the Contour and/or Confidence line, the price would be pretty high up there.
Agree. But then again. When you spend that much on a speaker system I, for one, would like it to be a little more candy for the eye. But I agree with the price, I do not know how they would get about this. If the price is 3 times the "original" like it was for Focus vs XD then... damn...

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Who here has done extensive auditioning of the XD 400 and 600, side-by-side? Can anyone comment on their differences?
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the xd's are pretty new,i'm not sure if any dealers are carrying all three models to compare side by side.My dealer got the xd 200 in because i inquired about them...and he let me have a 2 week home demo.I ordered the xd 600's,and it took about 6 weeks for them to arrive.The xd 400's do not seem to have as many reviews as the 200's and 600's...to me the price jump to the 400's from the 200's seemed like a lot,so why not jump a bit more to the 600's?I now have about 350 hours on the 600's,so they should be fully broken in...best sounding speakers i have ever heard.Soon i will take them down to the basement and set them up in my 7.2 system

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So now NO ONE wants to pre-order the AAM with me? Gonna let me be the guinea pig??

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So now NO ONE wants to pre-order the AAM with me? Gonna let me be the guinea pig??
I'd like to but not sure it's of ant benefit over the AppleTV for my XEOs. If the reviews are good I may pick one up to go with a new SN2 however.
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So now NO ONE wants to pre-order the AAM with me? Gonna let me be the guinea pig??
I might be game, PM me! or just shoot me an e-mail which is better!



On another note, what is a good reasonable digital Coax Cable to use as I need to run it a tad further from my Audio Rack into my closet to my small Rack in the middle of my floor. 3-4 Meters should do it. Thx... After talking to a cable rep my ears were spinning as he said you need the cable to sit for awhile... LOL sorry but I started to laugh. I believe they can make some small differences but don't come from the camp "anymore" about they make huge differences and I have tried just about anything, from expensive to cheap.
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On another note, what is a good reasonable digital Coax Cable to use as I need to run it a tad further from my Audio Rack into my closet to my small Rack in the middle of my floor. 3-4 Meters should do it. Thx... After talking to a cable rep my ears were spinning as he said you need the cable to sit for awhile... LOL sorry but I started to laugh. I believe they can make some small differences but don't come from the camp "anymore" about they make huge differences and I have tried just about anything, from expensive to cheap.
Check out the Avanti cables. They won't break the bank and sound pretty good. Compared to the Nordost Heimdall2 they will be a bit louder with a hair more top and bottom end but lack some of the 'soul' in vocals.
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Check out the Avanti cables. They won't break the bank and sound pretty good. Compared to the Nordost Heimdall2 they will be a bit louder with a hair more top and bottom end but lack some of the 'soul' in vocals.
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http://www.avantiaudio.com/Products.html

They don't make a 3-4 meter.

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What is XD USD pricing again? $7K, $10K and $13K for XD 200, 400 and 600, respectively? If so, point taken. What is an extra $3K if you're prepared to spend $10K? They should have considered dropping the XD 400 and added an XD 800 based on the Confidence C2 for $19K.
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What is XD USD pricing again? $7K, $10K and $13K for XD 200, 400 and 600, respectively? If so, point taken. What is an extra $3K if you're prepared to spend $10K? They should have considered dropping the XD 400 and added an XD 800 based on the Confidence C2 for $19K.
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I live in canada,so i have to deal with a 75 cent dollar right now:The LIST prices over here are...xd 200- 7700,xd 400-13700,xd 600-16800k,again that is LIST,in canadian dollars,with a crapppy exchange rate.Luckily,i was able to trade in my c1's and focus 160's for a good price to lesson the blow.

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George: These guys?

http://www.avantiaudio.com/Products.html

They don't make a 3-4 meter.

Thank you!
I'm sure Mike will make them for you if you ask. They were from the Shark in the traveling cable demo. I liked it enough to buy one. I still have the Nordost too.
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George: If you ever want to unload cable give me a call. I sold boat loads of it years ago as I had about 8K worth of demo cable that I got from manufactures to try out all the time, about 80% said to keep it, part of the perks!
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Mr. Otto J:

I have a dare for you!

I dare you to go get a few of your colleagues in Denmark and then go find your favorite Dynaudio setup there at the office...to watch/listen to this brilliant concert:


Consider this a 'thank you' from your Dynaudio fans @ AVS!

(Proud to have seen these guys 3 times at the 9:30 Club here in the Nation's Capital. It's also nice to run into the NPR Music 'dude' ... Mr. Bob B. just about everywhere I go here.)

<--- Watching/listening to this video right now on my brilliant speakers

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Otto, what is Dynaudios stand on cables (digital) for the XD's. Anything to win/lose there in Dyns oppinion.

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Otto, what is Dynaudios stand on cables (digital) for the XD's. Anything to win/lose there in Dyns oppinion.
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I would be interested on your thoughts on this too,also analog cables and power cords.While i am at it...would the quality of the streamer/source make much difference to the final sound?Do you have a number of hours you recommend for breaking in the xd's fully?

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Ottoj: Welcome, I been a Dynaudio fan for some time, and heard the Focus XD at Axpona in Chicago liked them a lot but not nearly as much as the C2 Confidence Platinum so I traded my older originals in for them right now just using a Oppo 105D for a music server/Dac with decent results but I am about ready to try out a Hegel HD12 I just picked up hoping it improves on Redbook CDs side. So far not bad! I also have a mint pair of Contour 1.3MKII I bring out for some decent monitor listening.
Thanks. It's been amazing to see since I started in the company how many dedicated fans are outthere, and you should all know that Dynaudio is very aware of this and wants to keep it that way. My job in the company is to keep you happy while all the other guys are busy making speakers! :-) So while I can't promise that I always have the answer that you want to hear (especially regarding future products, which I know is what most of you want to know about...), you're free to fire away at me. And tell me to shut up if I'm interfering with your discussions :-)

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No problem on my end I sold Dynaudio back in the day and have tried dozens of other speakers but my ears just gravitate to the sound of Dynaudio. I have recently tried 2 other Danish brand and they are good, but not as good to me. Currently a owner for a pair of Contour 1.3 MKII and Confidence C2 with SR for Rear channels and SCX as my Center. Lately most of my time is music listening. I started out with Audience speakers, different ones, then Contour 1.3 MKII/1.8 MKII/2.8/3.3 then jumped into the confidence line via the C1/C1 MKII/Confidence C2 Original/Platinum C2 etc... Not enough room for the Evidence.
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I would be interested on your thoughts on this too,also analog cables and power cords.While i am at it...would the quality of the streamer/source make much difference to the final sound?

In general we don't like to give recommendations on specific products to match our speakers, for several reasons. We haven't heard everything, so we can't rule out that there are products that are better than the ones we have found to be satisfying, and then it wouldn't be fair for us to recommend certain products or product classes, as people would put quite a lot of weight into our statements. We already have that problem when we choose gear for shows, demo rooms etc - we use different gear to show that our products work on a wide array of electronics, but very often we see people saying "Dynaudio chose to demo using (brand X) or (brand Y), so that must be the best match!". That's not necessarily so, that's just what we chose to use in that particular setup. Obviously we will try to use systems that work well, but they are not necessarily the "best".


To what extent cables make a difference, and what types makes the most difference, I don't think we have an official policy on that, and in any case I wouldn't want to dive into that debate - I'll leave that for others. Different people within Dynaudio has varying opinions on this, and varying degrees of willingness to share that opinon. I think my personal opinion matches the company standpoint however, and that is that the extent will vary caused by a lot of different factors, including the electronics used, personal preferences etc, so our recommendation is the same as for choosing speakers - you should try to get a proper demo, and choose what you feel works for you. To be ruthlessly honest, I don't really care what other people think about what might work for me. I'll do what works for me, you do what works for you, and we should both be happy.


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Do you have a number of hours you recommend for breaking in the xd's fully?

I hate giving out numbers on that, because some people think that it means they sound like crap until X hours have passed, which is obviously not true. But officially after about 100 hours they should sound about as good as they ever will. But I'd say that number has a lot of leeway. Personally, I think you shouldn't really give it too much thought, at least not when you have bought them. You shouldn't make comparisons on brand-new speakers, but once you get your speakers home, just get listening. What are you going to do knowing exactly when the speakers are perfectly run in? NOT listen to them while they are playing? It's a problem that solves itself eventually.


I'm not at all claiming that it's always the case, but I have experienced often that people confuse warm-up with break-in. Meaning that you get home, hook your speakers to your cold electronics because you can't wait to hear your brand new speakers (I know that's what I'm doing!), and... It doesn't sound right. Within a few hours, it starts sounding a lot better. I've heard a LOT of people saying that the sound was better even after just a few hours of run-in. Unless you hooked it up to a system that's been running for several hours, there's no way you can know that, because the warm-up of the electronics would make more difference than the running-in period. Just saying you should have that in mind.

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Not enough room for the Evidence.

Yeah, I have that exact problem in my, err, room too!


Luckily I get paid to listen to them once in a while at work

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