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I think the question I have (and Otto can't answer) is, do manufacturers "gimp" certain accessories thinking that client X will most likely invest €Y to upgrade? Now, we know that NAIM does this with internal devices and power cables, etc. They want to sell you a $2K HiCap2 DR and a $750 PowerLine power cord. Heck, NAIM argues that a $3K FRAIM (furniture) will improve SQ of your NAIM equipment. This is ONE reason a lot of people HATE NAIM...and their disciples.

But does Dynaudio do the same thing? Do they purposefully throw in a 'bad' mains cable (power cable) into a Focus XD box knowing that someone will go spend $1K on a Nordost cable? My gut tells me Dynaudio is different; they want their speakers to sound as amazing as possible as soon as possible. But then again, this question gets into the murky swamp that is retail sales. Does Dynaudio encourage dealer A to audition their speakers with certain cables and if client X buys BOTH products then some sort of profit sharing takes place? Like I said...murky waters...
Octave is a good example. You should see the power cable that is stock from Octave. It's a joke. But in their defense why add even throw in a $100 power cable when most folks will most likely replace it anyhow. BTW GT the standard Naim power cable is one of the better/heavier ones I've seen. I'm not getting into a cable argument with anyone. That's a personal thing. Either cables make a difference to your ears or they don't. Even if it does is it worth it to you
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I think the question I have (and Otto can't answer) is, do manufacturers "gimp" certain accessories thinking that client X will most likely invest €Y to upgrade? Now, we know that NAIM does this with internal devices and power cables, etc. They want to sell you a $2K HiCap2 DR and a $750 PowerLine power cord. Heck, NAIM argues that a $3K FRAIM (furniture) will improve SQ of your NAIM equipment. This is ONE reason a lot of people HATE NAIM...and their disciples.

But does Dynaudio do the same thing? Do they purposefully throw in a 'bad' mains cable (power cable) into a Focus XD box knowing that someone will go spend $1K on a Nordost cable? My gut tells me Dynaudio is different; they want their speakers to sound as amazing as possible as soon as possible. But then again, this question gets into the murky swamp that is retail sales. Does Dynaudio encourage dealer A to audition their speakers with certain cables and if client X buys BOTH products then some sort of profit sharing takes place? Like I said...murky waters...
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I know when you go to my dealer to listen to new gear,he usually has nordost Odin cables hooked up,his argument is... I just want to show you what it is truly capable of...maybe a bit deceptive,but I'm sure he would use the stock cables if you asked nicely

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GT: Very marginal gains when it comes to power chords and cables.. I have noticed differences in stock power chords and better made ones, I have compared modest priced ones like a Pangea Power Cable to Nordost and I heard zero differences. Today I compared the Dac of the 105D and power chords Audio Quest (Two different kinds) and zero, zip, nada, nothing. The differences in Dacs the Hegel HD12 and the Oppo were very slight, making me think why did I even bother with the Hegel, the cool thing is with the Digital out on the Oppo run to the Hegel it still does DSD tracks which is nice, but again very marginal differences at what they want these days for cables etc.. Guy from Audio Advisor had me laughing as he said you need to break in your cable in and make sure you don't move it around too much. lol My Dynaudio C2 sound great no matter what I through at them..... After having access to boat loads of cables over the years, I try to take a more reasonable approach to it, and look for a well made cable/power chord/speaker cable that doesn't break the bank and if you did a true DBT test 99% of the people couldn't hear the difference if they tried. So I will stick with reasonable.

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okay,

I have two (2) pairs of Vienna Acoustic Mahlers from way back when . I am pretty sure a tweeter upgrade is in order (e.g. suspicion of blown tweeters and vague recollection that tweeter upgrade had been available and "desirable" in the past). Is such a mod kit still available ? If so, who would I need to contact in the continental USA ?. I have had a previous history of "triggering" the protection circuits of a couple of high dollar amplifiers but that ended when I acquired a couple of Mark Levinson No. 336 amplifiers (but perhaps too late for tweeters). But there is some suspicion that I might have had a crossover problem in the past).

I also have suspicions of blown midrange/woofer based on "a-musical" audio content depending on music/movie content but one thing at a time.

Thanks for any assistance.
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Picked up a Classe CA-2200, to allow them a fair fight
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You have been awfully quiet...is the Classe in the house?

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GT: Very marginal gains when it comes to power chords and cables.. I have noticed differences in stock power chords and better made ones, I have compared modest priced ones like a Pangea Power Cable to Nordost and I heard zero differences. Today I compared the Dac of the 105D and power chords Audio Quest (Two different kinds) and zero, zip, nada, nothing. The differences in Dacs the Hegel HD12 and the Oppo were very slight, making me think why did I even bother with the Hegel, the cool thing is with the Digital out on the Oppo run to the Hegel it still does DSD tracks which is nice, but again very marginal differences at what they want these days for cables etc.. Guy from Audio Advisor had me laughing as he said you need to break in your cable in and make sure you don't move it around too much. lol My Dynaudio C2 sound great no matter what I through at them..... After having access to boat loads of cables over the years, I try to take a more reasonable approach to it, and look for a well made cable/power chord/speaker cable that doesn't break the bank and if you did a true DBT test 99% of the people couldn't hear the difference if they tried. So I will stick with reasonable.
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I take it you don't own any cable risers Did you get rid of the scan sonics?That raidho thread seems to of died out,I did like the d-5 video you posted a while back... Are you stiil thinking of giving one of the ho's a spin?

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Callas,did you have a home demo with the xd 400's?I was wondering if you tried them for just 2 channel... Or in your 5.1 setup too.One of the things I really like about the xd's is they work really well in 2 channel and 7.1 too.Also i don't worry about the drivers popping when I crank it up
Never had a woofer pop on my 260s and I drive them pretty hard.

My demo was with my material at THE Show in Newport this year. It was just 2-ch.

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My mind hurts reading Otto's replies. So diplomatic and, answering but not ansering, the questions

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I take it you don't own any cable risers Did you get rid of the scan sonics?That raidho thread seems to of died out,I did like the d-5 video you posted a while back... Are you stiil thinking of giving one of the ho's a spin?
No cable riser for me! Yes sold them, I liked them a lot but the Maggies I had sounded better to "my ears" for less money. I even liked the smaller .7 model over the 2.5, but the 2.5 had better bass, I would love to go with the D3s but I think they are too expensive for what you get and if you don't get them at a highly reduced cost you will loose your shorts if you don't like them. I still prefer the sound of Dynaudio/Maggies over the Raidho or Scansonics.
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No cable riser for me! Yes sold them, I liked them a lot but the Maggies I had sounded better to "my ears" for less money. I even liked the smaller .7 model over the 2.5, but the 2.5 had better bass, I would love to go with the D3s but I think they are too expensive for what you get and if you don't get them at a highly reduced cost you will loose your shorts if you don't like them. I still prefer the sound of Dynaudio/Maggies over the Raidho or Scansonics.
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Yeah,I hear you on the costThe X1 would be the only one I could afford new...I am thinking of trying to get a demo of those soon,for the supernait,maybe with a sub.What about a d2?Octadyn seems to be happy with his,I still would be looking for a used pair though.It seems like quite a few companies are dabbling with active designs now.

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Yeah,I hear you on the costThe X1 would be the only one I could afford new...I am thinking of trying to get a demo of those soon,for the supernait,maybe with a sub.What about a d2?Octadyn seems to be happy with his,I still would be looking for a used pair though.It seems like quite a few companies are dabbling with active designs now.
Speaking of of designs, people I know are raving about Golden Ear, but when I listen too them their bass seemed very muffled, but I guess you can adjust this, at 5K they are a bargain. The .7 Magnepan caught my ear and at $1400 for a pair they are a steal.
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Speaking of of designs, people I know are raving about Golden Ear, but when I listen too them their bass seemed very muffled, but I guess you can adjust this, at 5K they are a bargain. The .7 Magnepan caught my ear and at $1400 for a pair they are a steal.
I auditioned a Triton One once. I came away thinking it was just an okay speaker. Not many faults really. But nothing that impressed either. Certainly had nothing with regards to clarity compared to my 260s. Perhaps not the most musical speaker either but great all-purpose speaker for HT setup.

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Is anyone here using a UpTone USB Regen on their DAC?

http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen

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Is anyone here using a UpTone USB Regen on their DAC?

http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
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I have not tried the regen,but I was curious about your thoughts on those tellurium speaker cables... They seem to be raving about those on the naim forum,did you notice an improvement when you added them?I don't want to over-run the thread with cable talk...I just noticed you use those.I still think the best way to avoid all the USB noise etc. is to have a streamer/server that also stores all your music on it

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I auditioned a Triton One once. I came away thinking it was just an okay speaker. Not many faults really. But nothing that impressed either. Certainly had nothing with regards to clarity compared to my 260s. Perhaps not the most musical speaker either but great all-purpose speaker for HT setup.
I totally agree, for a HT setup with some decent music once in awhile it is nice, the built in subs sure would help on the HT side, but I wasn't wowed by them!
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I have not tried the regen,but I was curious about your thoughts on those tellurium speaker cables... They seem to be raving about those on the naim forum,did you notice an improvement when you added them?I don't want to over-run the thread with cable talk...I just noticed you use those.I still think the best way to avoid all the USB noise etc. is to have a streamer/server that also stores all your music on it
You have to keep in mind that my old cables were of the good-but-nothing-special variety from Amazon. From Cables2Go? I can't compare the TQB to anything but that. But yes, I would say the difference is substantial. Definitely added detail and overall better control of the power from the SN2. I say well worth the upgrade. I went with TQB over NACA5 due to many comparison reviews I read. I also had a lengthy talk with a dealer who sells both and prefers the TQB and offered the same length (3M) of TQB for $100 off MSRP or about $250 less than NACA5.

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Speaking of of designs, people I know are raving about Golden Ear, but when I listen too them their bass seemed very muffled, but I guess you can adjust this, at 5K they are a bargain. The .7 Magnepan caught my ear and at $1400 for a pair they are a steal.
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I auditioned a Triton One once. I came away thinking it was just an okay speaker. Not many faults really. But nothing that impressed either. Certainly had nothing with regards to clarity compared to my 260s. Perhaps not the most musical speaker either but great all-purpose speaker for HT setup.
I haven't heard the 1s, but I did hear the 3s and I wasn't impressed for $2200.

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