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If I recall correctly the C1 Platinums were $9500 and the stand6 were $650. My C1 Sigs were $8500 and the black/chrome stand4's were $850 (standard stand4 were $450)
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They're in the same price range as the KEF Reference 1 with their stands, more expensive than KEF without. I'd love to know about any comparisons. Fit & finish appears to be at equal levels.

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C1 Plats are $8750 list price

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They're in the same price range as the KEF Reference 1 with their stands, more expensive than KEF without. I'd love to know about any comparisons. Fit & finish appears to be at equal levels.
I've owned both and both at the top of their game. It is totally down to listener choice and what you hear and desire in a world class monitor.

I felt KEF was better at lower listening levels despite the fact the latest version of C1 was supposed to resolve this. I heard no real world difference although others might disagree. Dynaudio needs juice to feel engaged to me. But KEF is a harder load. I am feeding massive loads of current with mono block amps and it seems they want even more at times. I would call this a negative to KEF but I'm covered here.

I have owned soft dome for years and wanted something different this time. KEF is not bright but to me more engaging. Again a new acquired taste over the past year as C1 is still incredible.

I give fit and finish both transducer and stand to KEF. Again personal taste but when up close and personal to both you can see the designers path to a hand built speaker. KEF in wood is second to none except Sonus Faber. Dynaudio approach is around lacquers and might add other wood options to their next high end replacements.

All personal choices. Both spectacular. I think KEF has done it all with this line.

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C1 Plats are $8750 list price
Looks like they compensated for the Euro. It was $9500 when they came out.
Thanks for the update Steve
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Looks like they compensated for the Euro. It was $9500 when they came out.
Thanks for the update Steve
My c1 mk11's in white were 8500 Canadian dollars,and the white is considered a Premium finish.The Canadian dollar has taken a big nose dive since then,so you would be paying much more now(with exchange rate),i believe the stand 4 was 500 and stand 6 was 600 Canadian dollars...i have owned the stand 3,4 and 6,only the stand 3 remains,on my excite 12's.
A little follow up to an earlier post i had...i spoke to my dealer this week,he is keeping the Focal sopra 1's at home,and brought his c1 platinum's back to the store,they are now for sale.
i am not trying to bash the c1's,just telling you what he told me...he said the mid's and tweeter's were more detailed on the Sopra's,and the bottom end was about equal between the two.Turns out he is using a Cyrus 70 watt amp to drive them,and a Simaudio Dac.He said he was going to try something with a bit more power...but the Sopra's sounded really good with only 70 watts.I have still not heard the Sopra's myself,but i would say Dynaudio needs to up their game/make changes with their Confidence line...or they may start losing some loyal customers to the likes of Focal and Kef(Mr Softdome)...i hope they do,the confidence series has been around forever it seems,with only cosmetic changes and minor tweeks to the
crossover's and tweeter coating...Yawn.

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no quarter: Speakers are a matter of personal taste, and I can't tell you how many times I have gone in and listen to other speakers over and over because some one was saying they where way better. I agree with you there should be refinements made but I hated every Focal I have heard so far and I wouldn't even include them in my top 10 speakers.. Now KEF on the other hand I have had, and have and there new Reference line is pretty sweet even down to their less expensive stuff. Dynaudo's Esotar2 to my ears is still one of the better tweeters made, this is what counts to me. Loved the new XDs as well but heard them side by side and the Confidence still sounded better overall and more balanced (again my opinion) , this hobby is subjective as hell these days, but the word better gets a tad irritating after awhile. I can always strive for better but typically I like buying a great speaker and living with it for 10+ years before I dumb down more cash for some thing new and or different.

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no quarter: Speakers are a matter of personal taste, and I can't tell you how many times I have gone in and listen to other speakers over and over because some one was saying they where way better. I agree with you there should be refinements made but I hated every Focal I have heard so far and I wouldn't even include them in my top 10 speakers.. Now KEF on the other hand I have had, and have and there new Reference line is pretty sweet even down to their less expensive stuff. Dynaudo's Esotar2 to my ears is still one of the better tweeters made, this is what counts to me. Loved the new XDs as well but heard them side by side and the Confidence still sounded better overall and more balanced (again my opinion) , this hobby is subjective as hell these days, but the word better gets a tad irritating after awhile. I can always strive for better but typically I like buying a great speaker and living with it for 10+ years before I dumb down more cash for some thing new and or different.
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Hey man,I love my xd600's,and like I said...I have not heard the Sopra's yet myself.I have heard the aria's,and they didn't do much to wow me,but that was just low volume listening,not a real demo...and to be honest,I don't care for the looks of most Focal's,but the sopra line really caught my eye...thus the interest.Raidho XT 1 sure looks nice too,another speaker I have not heard yet.
On another subject...Have any xd owners tried a turntable with their xd's,If so,how does it sound?Maybe Otto has heard a TT setup with xd's?

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Dynaudo's Esotar2 to my ears is still one of the better tweeters made, this is what counts to me.
This is exactly what counts for me too. No beryllium, ceramic, diamond, metal dome or ribbon tweeters for me. Besides that I like Dynaudio's philosophy of creating neutral sounding speakers which I think is perfectly represented in the Confidence C1 that I will keep for many years to come.

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Hey man,I love my xd600's,and like I said...I have not heard the Sopra's yet myself.I have heard the aria's,and they didn't do much to wow me,but that was just low volume listening,not a real demo...and to be honest,I don't care for the looks of most Focal's,but the sopra line really caught my eye...thus the interest.Raidho XT 1 sure looks nice too,another speaker I have not heard yet.
On another subject...Have any xd owners tried a turntable with their xd's,If so,how does it sound?Maybe Otto has heard a TT setup with xd's?
no quarter: The XD600 are an excellent speaker, and they cut down the clutter of having other equipment and have a very clean look too them, I loved them. They have similar traits as the Focus line, but lets not forget some companies come out with stuff too fast and then it can devalue the stuff you have, I hear people complain about this more. Heck with MF gear, which I like, they would come up with stuff every 2-3 years, then they changed it to every 6 months to a year and it made people more mad. lol I think if you make some thing well, especially a speaker stick with it, your really can't change the outside design too much as most speaker are just boxes with drivers.

Dynfidel: I am with you, my ears always gravitate back towards the well made Dynaudio Softdome tweeter... I have KEF and Magnepan which I also like but the C2 Platinums are hear to stay for another 10 years!
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honestly has their been any major advances in passive speaker technology in the last 15 years? Innovation is and will come in the digital domain IMHO. Maybe Confidence XD !? That would be a tough market niche to crack I bet.


The fit and finish comment is very interesting to me. I almost cant image A better crafted cabinet than the confidence speakers. I can imagine differently crafted but better is tough. Having a giant set of them in the middle of my living room I can honestly say the styling isn't my favorite, but to me the cabinets look and feel to be made from basically a single block of rosewood.
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This is exactly what counts for me too. No beryllium, ceramic, diamond, metal dome or ribbon tweeters for me. Besides that I like Dynaudio's philosophy of creating neutral sounding speakers which I think is perfectly represented in the Confidence C1 that I will keep for many years to come.
It is hard to argue with the Dynaudio sound. Smooth and natural.
I am also liking the air motion in the Goldenear. Very good.

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I came home today to find my C1's being destroyed by popping from my Simaudio amplifier. The wife muted it before I got home but the popping remained. Now I need a new woofer as the driver was frozen until pushed lightly. I briefly heard sound from the woofer after this. I pulled the woofer out of each cabinet and thankfully only 1 cabinet smelled burnt.

Does anyone know where I can buy new or used woofers? I emailed Dynaudio but I'm guessing their replacement price will be close to what I paid for these speakers.
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I came home today to find my C1's being destroyed by popping from my Simaudio amplifier. The wife muted it before I got home but the popping remained. Now I need a new woofer as the driver was frozen until pushed lightly. I briefly heard sound from the woofer after this. I pulled the woofer out of each cabinet and thankfully only 1 cabinet smelled burnt.

Does anyone know where I can buy new or used woofers? I emailed Dynaudio but I'm guessing their replacement price will be close to what I paid for these speakers.
I don't think I would replace them with anything but the proper c1 drivers...otherwise the sound will not be the same.Just curious as to what exactly happened?...were they being overdriven to the point that the drivers popped?,because that used to happen to my c1's when I cranked it up too loud,then when I backed the volume off...they seemed ok.It definitely drove me nuts though,and was one of the reasons I replaced them with xd 600's.To me,for an 8500 dollar speaker...if you turn it up a bit too loud,it should start to distort/sound harsh, as a warning to back off the volume,not a startling LOUD POP.
It is really quite un-nerving,if you ever hear it...and happens way too easy with the c1's.

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I don't think I would replace them with anything but the proper c1 drivers...otherwise the sound will not be the same.Just curious as to what exactly happened?...were they being overdriven to the point that the drivers popped?,because that used to happen to my c1's when I cranked it up too loud,then when I backed the volume off...they seemed ok.It definitely drove me nuts though,and was one of the reasons I replaced them with xd 600's.To me,for an 8500 dollar speaker...if you turn it up a bit too loud,it should start to distort/sound harsh, as a warning to back off the volume,not a startling LOUD POP.
It is really quite un-nerving,if you ever hear it...and happens way too easy with the c1's.
I believe it must be something failing inside the amplifier. My wife did mute the amp its just too bad she didn't unplug the amp because mute had no effect. Turning the power off also allowed the popping to continue through the speakers since Simaudio amps only truly turn off from the hard power switch or by unplugging them.

I am definitely talking replacing the drivers with either used out of a confidence speaker.(assuming they are the same in C1,C2, and C4)

I looked into the car audio esotar drivers due to hearing about people using the car tweeters, however their frames have a pattern vs the round home audio frame.

I have heard my old DM series "Clap" from high volume and also my focus 110s "snap" from too much volume but, there was no source material being played... I'm afraid something has failed in my amp and it didn't want to die alone so it took a speaker with it.
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I believe it must be something failing inside the amplifier. My wife did mute the amp its just too bad she didn't unplug the amp because mute had no effect. Turning the power off also allowed the popping to continue through the speakers since Simaudio amps only truly turn off from the hard power switch or by unplugging them.

I am definitely talking replacing the drivers with either used out of a confidence speaker.(assuming they are the same in C1,C2, and C4)

I looked into the car audio esotar drivers due to hearing about people using the car tweeters, however their frames have a pattern vs the round home audio frame.

I have heard my old DM series "Clap" from high volume and also my focus 110s "snap" from too much volume but, there was no source material being played... I'm afraid something has failed in my amp and it didn't want to die alone so it took a speaker with it.
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That's sucks to hear that happened. I could overdrive my 160s when I had them if I played to loud with frequencies that went too low. Haven't had an issue with the 260s tho.

That does sound like an amp issue! That sucks cause you had a nice i3SE if I remember correctly. Maybe a bad capacitor....

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That's sucks to hear that happened. I could overdrive my 160s when I had them if I played to loud with frequencies that went too low. Haven't had an issue with the 260s tho.

That does sound like an amp issue! That sucks cause you had a nice i3SE if I remember correctly. Maybe a bad capacitor....
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I haven't been on here in a long time between getting married and changing jobs 2x. I am hoping to "downgrade" into some focus 220's or 260's soon. It is a Simaudio I3SE and I have lots of spare speakers a few I would even test the amp with and not care if they are damaged. Most likely I will be in the market for a new amp as well.
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I haven't been on here in a long time between getting married and changing jobs 2x. I am hoping to "downgrade" into some focus 220's or 260's soon. It is a Simaudio I3SE and I have lots of spare speakers a few I would even test the amp with and not care if they are damaged. Most likely I will be in the market for a new amp as well.
First congrats on getting married!

Hopefully the job changes were "upgrades!"

We moved to a much nicer place in Moreno Valley about 1-1/2 years ago. I ended up changing my amp to the Naim Uniti 2 and I've been extremely happy with it.

You can check with Sunny Components right there in Covina/San Dimas, he should be able to help you get parts you need for the C1s.

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The other main components that don't age gracefully are capacitors. A capacitor is two conductors separated by an insulator which is called a dielectric. Many older capacitors typically found in the power supplies of tube amps are the "wet electrolyte" type. The dielectric material is a paste having some moisture content, which over time dries out, reducing the functionality of the device. This can result in increased hum, loss of low frequency response, low gain, and sometime a phenomenon known as motorboating, in which the amp makes a continued popping or putting sound. One of the functions of capacitors in tube audio circuits is as ac coupling or dc blocking between stages. A common failure mode in this application occurs when such a capacitor "leaks" dc, which upsets the operating point of the next stage. When this failure occurs and a capacitor feeds a pot, the presence of dc will cause the pot to scratch when adjusted, and the pot will not respond to cleaning and subsequently be damaged.

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I came home today to find my C1's being destroyed by popping from my Simaudio amplifier. The wife muted it before I got home but the popping remained. Now I need a new woofer as the driver was frozen until pushed lightly. I briefly heard sound from the woofer after this. I pulled the woofer out of each cabinet and thankfully only 1 cabinet smelled burnt.

Does anyone know where I can buy new or used woofers? I emailed Dynaudio but I'm guessing their replacement price will be close to what I paid for these speakers.
I would try to get the exact driver as well. I think you are right about it costing a bunch. Whats the most a 7" woofer can cost though $750? That is a crapton of money to waste I know, but they are $8000 bookshelf speakers.

I wonder if the woofer can be repaired itself. Is the voice coil blown? You can put a ohm-meter across to check its resistance. It should show something around say 4-8 ohms. is the cone crunchy if you push it in and out? It seems a bit unfotunate if you have to throw away the basket and the magnet which are probably more of the cost than the cone and voice coil. Maybe send the driver to otto and he can rebuild it for you!

since you have 2 speakers it will be really easy to troubleshoot this stuff. You can just switch parts around.
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I thought motorboating meant something completely different!
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I haven't been on here in a long time between getting married and changing jobs 2x. I am hoping to "downgrade" into some focus 220's or 260's soon. It is a Simaudio I3SE and I have lots of spare speakers a few I would even test the amp with and not care if they are damaged. Most likely I will be in the market for a new amp as well.
Oh man, sorry to hear about your misadventure with your C1s :/ I hope you're able to find a reasonable solution to get things going again.

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Oh man, sorry to hear about your misadventure with your C1s :/ I hope you're able to find a reasonable solution to get things going again.
I desoldered the woofer from my C1 and measured .6Ω considering the impedance on a this driver should be 3-4Ω I would say the voice coil is shorted. The speaker doesn't scratch when I push it but it has an initial sticking point.

I connected some garage speakers to the Simaudio amp and with no source selected the left channel did nothing which is good when I connected the right channel a loud pop and a blue spark jumped to the banana plug... amp definitely destroyed my speakers. I measured 25 volts DC out of the right channel with no signal, I didn't measure current but its enough to make a nice spark.

I got an email from Mick of Dynaudio but he just told me to call him and unfortunately I didn't have time at work today.
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