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post #361 of 6584 Old 01-13-2007, 06:18 PM - Thread Starter
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After reading so many bad articles about them in TWICE, I'm thinking it may not be long.


I think everyone has a horror story about Tweeter.
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AudioArchitect -- have you had a chance to listen to the new 700 V series? What are your thoughts compared to the similarly priced Monitor Audio speakers - RS6/8?
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AudioArchitect -- have you had a chance to listen to the new 700 V series? What are your thoughts compared to the similarly priced Monitor Audio speakers - RS6/8?

Monitor Audio and Focal sound very different.

Monitor Audio: punchy dynamic bass, in your face midrange, slightly exaggerated highs.

Focals: leaner bass, relaxed midrange, highs are extremely accurate (best metal dome out there, period!)

Aesthetically, Focal is a prettier speaker. For home theater, the Monitor Audio are great speakers as punchy dynamic sound is a priority. For music, Focal is more my style. Its a less faitguing presentation. Hope that helps.
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I didn't see the new prices on the Electra series that were effective Jan 1. Can someone who has them post them?

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Lets see some pictures of people's speakers? I would really love to see some of the new 800V line - they look top notch!
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(best metal dome out there, period!)

Well , I think it's good, but there are others out there that I like also......Mirage's PTH, for one, I think others might add to that list as well.

Seeking a speaker recomendation? Compare for yourself or be swayed by others who hear differantly, or by marketing, or just save time and get the cheapest , nicest looking, or smallest.
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Well I went to Tweeter and listened to the 806's today. From memory they are much better than the old 706's which I didn't like at all. They were very open, fast and detailed. I AB'd them as best as possible with the Polk lsi9 and the Focal's were clearly superior IMHO. I now have my list down to a few, with the super stretch being the Paradigm S2 and MA GS10, and the Studio 20v4 and 806.
I was really surprised by the 806's, I was not expecting the excitement and openness to the music. I do have a few other speakers to listen to-this decision is not getting any easier.
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Went to tweeter on saturday and they told be my CC and 807V's were in. I bitched and they let me take home there floor pair of 826V's so I could try them out with my new Outlaw gear.
All I have to say is WOW. I had people over saturday night and everyone was in shock ast how good the music sounded...even I was amazed. Not even a comparison between my Yamaha 2500 and Mirage 260 set up.
Sunday we watched Mission Impossible 3 and again...WOW.
The only thing I noticed is that the CC seemed a little "thin". Could me just me or maybe it needs to break in.
So Im happy and I dont even have my fronts yet(836V). If the 826's sounded that good I cant wait unitl the 836's get home. OH by the way...Tweeter called and they are in today. I will post again with the results.


For anyone interested. I am very impressed with my first impression of the Outlaw gear!
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I went to CES. Man that was a fun time. The focal room was small but very nice. I saw the 1037's but they were not active. I heard some of the other lines Chours? It is all a blur. But they did sound nice. Also I heard the 1027's with Pathos gear. That sounded very nice. Any one looking for a great 2ch setup should check them out. I think I am going to go the Boulder route. I heard the 810 and it was simply fantastic. I was told that there is a dealer in Texas who has 800 equipment with the 1027's. I have heard that it is a killer setup.

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I went to CES. Man that was a fun time. The focal room was small but very nice. I saw the 1037's but they were not active. I heard some of the other lines Chours? It is all a blur. But they did sound nice. Also I heard the 1027's with Pathos gear. That sounded very nice. Any one looking for a great 2ch setup should check them out. I think I am going to go the Boulder route. I heard the 810 and it was simply fantastic. I was told that there is a dealer in Texas who has 800 equipment with the 1027's. I have heard that it is a killer setup.


what pathos gear were the 1027's hooked up to? considering getting a new amp for 2ch with my 1027's and pathos could be the winner--seems like a natural combination to me...
how would you characterize the sound?
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Has anyone here compared the 806v to the Paradigm Studio 20v4?
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Deneophile,
The player was the Endorphin, the preamp was the InControl, and I believe the amps were
the Adrenalin monoblocks. It just sounded like music. I could have stayed a long time in that room. I have the 1027's and it really helped them show what they are able to do. If my circumstances were different, I may have really looked into a Pathos for my JM setup. FYI I know that they have been paired at other shows. Now, I can guess that the other amps would also work well with them. If you go that route, you have to post what your feelings are.

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What would you guys recommend for a 2 channel amp for the Chorus 714 that I could get used? I've got an HK 635, but would be willing to get a separate 2 channel amp and use the HK as a preamp if there would be a noticeable difference in quality. As is, it sounds good, but just wanted to see what other options are available.
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if it is pure 2 channel go tubes all the way, you cant go wrong!
perhaps an integrated 2 channel tube amp from **********
or pacificvalve.com
You wont need a preamp!
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if it is pure 2 channel go tubes all the way, you cant go wrong!
perhaps an integrated 2 channel tube amp from **********
or pacificvalve.com
You wont need a preamp!

Well I wanted to use the HK for the center and surround channels, so I don't think i can go to a 2 channel tube...
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Well I wanted to use the HK for the center and surround channels, so I don't think i can go to a 2 channel tube...

In that case any quality 2 channel (solid state) amp will work fine, Rotel Parasound, Krell etc etc etc.
One important thing to remember is that power is not an issue because they are 8ohm speakers, so 100 watts a channel is good. I wouldn't continue the issue here though being that this thread is for Focal Speakers, enjoy the process of picking and the enjoyable longevity of a good amp/speaker combo!
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Thanks--any brand in particular that mates well with Focal? ALso, does anyone have a real picture of the 714v side by side with the 716v? Thanks.
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Deneophile,
The player was the Endorphin, the preamp was the InControl, and I believe the amps were
the Adrenalin monoblocks. It just sounded like music. I could have stayed a long time in that room. I have the 1027's and it really helped them show what they are able to do. If my circumstances were different, I may have really looked into a Pathos for my JM setup. FYI I know that they have been paired at other shows. Now, I can guess that the other amps would also work well with them. If you go that route, you have to post what your feelings are.


Thanks so much for the update. will post a review if I get pathos--it won't be for at least a few months--I was actually thinking of the logos integrated to go with them but I am inspired by the setup you spoke of--I haven't had a chance to audition pathos yet (not easy in new hampshire)--I'll have to look into it. Also considering Mcintosh tubes and BAT as a source for the 1027's has anyone heard the 2102 or a bat vk 55 or 75 hooked up to them in particular? Heard them through B&W 803's and they sounded sweet (but since I love my 1027's...)!
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A few years ago I heard my old speakers(927's) with an all BAT setup. It sounded pretty damn good. I could not believe they were my speakers. I am sure that the integrated Pathos will give many of the sonic benefits I heard from the other gear.
Check out this link
http://www.audiounlimiteddenver.com/events_AF2005.php
It is a Pathos JM setup.
If you read this page as well, you will see that JM+BAT system I heard wih my old speakers. It was at the HE2005 show. On the same page they mention JM and Pathos.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi2005/becker/page3.htm

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Lets see some pictures of people's speakers? I would really love to see some of the new 800V line - they look top notch!

any pictures of the new models out there? I don't have any tweeters by me so I cannot see them in person at the moment. Preferably the 800V line, but also the 700V line as well! Thanks
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any pictures of the new models out there? I don't have any tweeters by me so I cannot see them in person at the moment. Preferably the 800V line, but also the 700V line as well! Thanks

This site has some info and some pictures
http://www.uptownaudio.com/jmlab/jmlab.htm
and of course the main JM site has some pictures
http://www.focal.tm.fr/accueil_en.htm

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If you read this page as well, you will see that JM+BAT system I heard wih my old speakers. It was at the HE2005 show. On the same page they mention JM and Pathos.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi2005/becker/page3.htm

SWEET!!!

Glad to see they had the jm-BAT setup topped off with my dream vinyl machine the avid actus..mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjm-actus...

Thanks for the pictures!
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anyone interested--review of the new 800 chorus series in the new feb/march Sound and Vision...just came in today!
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anyone interested--review of the new 800 chorus series in the new feb/march Sound and Vision...just came in today!

So what did the review say?
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So what did the review say?

summary 826v, cc 800v, sr 800v, sw 800v setup--please read for details, but since you asked...

mains: as expected, superb vocals, natural, uncolored sound excels at vocals (albeit with a hint of extra chestiness in deep male vocals) and hi-res top shelf recordings good balance and accuracy. overall, great performance.

surround: above average tonal matching for both center and surrounds, great detail in music and movies, great dynamics

SUb: mediocre, loud enough but not as tight/dynamic as reference performers

overall: detailed sweet vocal performances, nice midrange and upper end detail, clarity, and dynamics, good pitch matching between speakers, hotties to gander at but subwoofer somewhat uninspiring but adequate

frankly I wish they did more comprehensive audio reviews like in TAS or stereophile in S&V...
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Not to bad of a review. The feelings on the sub is what I would have imagined though. But it looks like overall the reviewer liked the system.

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This is great!!! I was worried they wouldn't get reviewed at all , here are the measurments!



In the lab

Frequency response (at 2 meters)
front left/right: 53 Hz to 20 kHz ±4.7 dB
center: 86 Hz to 20 kHz ±5.7 dB
surround: 94 Hz to 20 kHz ±3.8 dB
subwoofer: 44 to 108 Hz ±2.1 dB

Sensitivity (SPL at 1 meter with 2.8 volts of pink-noise input)
front left/right: 90 dB
center: 89 dB
surround: 91 dB

Impedance (minimum/nominal)
front left/right: 3.2/10 ohms
center: 4.9/10 ohms
surround: 4.0/8ohms

Bass limits (lowest frequency and maximum SPL with limit of 10% distortion at 2 meters in a large room)
front left/right: 40 Hz at 100 dB
center: 80 Hz at 100 dB
surround: 80 Hz at 85 dB
subwoofer: 32 Hz at 89 dB SPL
101 dB average SPL from 32 to 62 Hz
112 dB maximum SPL at 62 Hz
bandwidth uniformity 89%

All of the curves in the frequency-response graph are weighted to reflect how sound arrives at a listener's ears with normal speaker placement. The curve for the left/right front channels reflects the 826V tower's response with the speaker standing on the floor, averaged over a ±30º window. The center-channel curve reflects the CC 800V's response averaged over ±45º, with double weight directly on-axis of the primary listener. The surround-channel curve shows the SR 800V's response averaged over ±60 º. The center and surround speakers were measured on a 6-foot stand, which gives anechoic results to approximately 200 Hz. Except for the subwoofer, all measurements are taken at a full 2 meters, which emulates a typical listening distance, allows the outputs of large speakers to fully integrate acoustically, and, unlike near-field measurements, fully includes front-panel reflections, grille effects, and cabinet diffraction.

Towers & Satellites

Measurements for the floorstanding 826V showed a moderate 3-dB floor bounce notch centered at 274 Hz, followed by an overall ragged response featuring depressions with a maximum depth of about 2 to 3 dB between 400 and 800 Hz and 4 and 8 kHz. These were intermixed with elevations of up to 4 to 5 dB in the midrange (between 1.5 and 3 kHz) and upper treble (11 to 16 kHz).

The CC 800V center channel has slowly downsloping response from its effective low-frequency limit (about 85 Hz) up to 3 kHz, where it measured -3 dB. Above 3 kHz, response was marked by fairly extreme but narrow ripples on the order of ±6 dB. Our averaging techniques understate the off-axis lobing that begins at ±15º and becomes radical at wider listening angles. (At 2 kHz, the speaker measured -10 dB at ±22.5º off-axis and -34 dB at ±45º.)

The SR 800V surround's response exhibits characteristics common to bipolar speakers, with more irregularities directly on axis. But this model has significant response ripples above 800 Hz at every radiating angle.

Subwoofer

I measured the SW 800V subwoofer's bass limits with it set to maximum bandwidth and placed in the optimal corner of a 7,500 cubic-foot room. In a smaller room, users can expect 2 to 3 Hz deeper extension and as much as 3 dB greater sound-pressure level (SPL).

The SW 800V subwoofer has limited bass extension, and though it can generate 109 to 112 dB SPL at 50 and 62 Hz, dynamic capability falls off rapidly below 50 Hz (approximately 30 dB per octave).

Though the crossover control dial is marked from 40 to 180 Hz, its actual range is 70 to 108 Hz. There is a large interaction with subwoofer level over the lower half of the crossover control's operating range, with output measuring -13 dB when the crossover control was set to its low end limit of 40 Hz. Users should be prepared to reset the level control whenever they make crossover adjustments.

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Am I wrong or are those measurements not very good?
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I think that they are respectable except for the sub. If you goto post 386 you will see a summary of the system. To me, it seems quite good and positive, except for the sub. So just get a different sub.

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I got the review and it is a very good review...They are featured on the Front Cover!

They are described as warm yet uncolored with clean highs
(what more can you ask of a speaker?).

The reviewer said that the center and main speaker match is probably
the best he has EVER heard!
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